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Reply #45 - Jun 6th, 2014 at 10:15pm
 
Post #41,

Sounds very scholarly, and plausible.

NOT!

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Reply #46 - Jun 6th, 2014 at 10:24pm
 
Yadda wrote on Jun 6th, 2014 at 10:15pm:
Post #41,

Sounds very scholarly, and plausible.

NOT!

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Its just only a theory that was formed by this aussie theologian back in 1988, its been widely dismissed by theologians and scholars worldwide and has been ever since, barbara thiering pesher technique and method is known to have flaws to begin with.
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Reply #47 - Jun 6th, 2014 at 10:45pm
 
gizmo_2655 wrote on Jun 6th, 2014 at 12:15pm:
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jun 6th, 2014 at 11:16am:
UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 5th, 2014 at 8:50pm:
stryder wrote on Jun 4th, 2014 at 11:03pm:
You really think he was just made up entirely ??, do you think there is a possibility that he actually existed, but was no supernatural deity in human guise, but rather a human being just like you and me, who got caught up in something where he died along the way on a wooden cross, and somehow the supernatural element to him was made up along the way after he died to create a religion.


I think the most likely scenario is that the story of Jesus is entirely made up, and has had an embellished existence throughout history. But I would surmise that the story of Jesus is only 600 or 700 years old, and based on other tales from other religions. This story only survives because Americans have a few of their countrymen with ancestry that go back to the time when they fled Europe's enlightenment period, for these new Americans to continue their superstitious culture.

I have just started reading the bible -- incited by the desire to reinforce my view that the bible is nothing more than fiction, with no real purpose other than entertainment value. I'm only 20 pages into the book my grandmother left behind, and I'm convinced that it's one big story of a family feud by a bunch of farmers.


St Augustine refers to Christ in his writings in the 4th and 5th centuries.


Yeah, thinking Christianity is only a few hundred years old, and invented by the Americans is a very interesting idea..


No, I was saying that the story of Jesus is only 600 or 700 years old, and was reignited by American pioneers who fled the enlightenment period. You can always rewrite history and books to suit your own agenda.
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Reply #48 - Jun 6th, 2014 at 10:55pm
 
UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 6th, 2014 at 10:45pm:
No, I was saying that the story of Jesus is only 600 or 700 years old, and was reignited by American pioneers who fled the enlightenment period. You can always rewrite history and books to suit your own agenda.


You can always post your opinion online too and try and rewrite history to suit yourself as well.
It goes both ways.

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Reply #49 - Jun 6th, 2014 at 11:01pm
 
UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 6th, 2014 at 10:45pm:
gizmo_2655 wrote on Jun 6th, 2014 at 12:15pm:
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jun 6th, 2014 at 11:16am:
UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 5th, 2014 at 8:50pm:
stryder wrote on Jun 4th, 2014 at 11:03pm:
You really think he was just made up entirely ??, do you think there is a possibility that he actually existed, but was no supernatural deity in human guise, but rather a human being just like you and me, who got caught up in something where he died along the way on a wooden cross, and somehow the supernatural element to him was made up along the way after he died to create a religion.


I think the most likely scenario is that the story of Jesus is entirely made up, and has had an embellished existence throughout history. But I would surmise that the story of Jesus is only 600 or 700 years old, and based on other tales from other religions. This story only survives because Americans have a few of their countrymen with ancestry that go back to the time when they fled Europe's enlightenment period, for these new Americans to continue their superstitious culture.

I have just started reading the bible -- incited by the desire to reinforce my view that the bible is nothing more than fiction, with no real purpose other than entertainment value. I'm only 20 pages into the book my grandmother left behind, and I'm convinced that it's one big story of a family feud by a bunch of farmers.


St Augustine refers to Christ in his writings in the 4th and 5th centuries.


Yeah, thinking Christianity is only a few hundred years old, and invented by the Americans is a very interesting idea..


No, I was saying that the story of Jesus is only 600 or 700 years old, and was reignited by American pioneers who fled the enlightenment period. You can always rewrite history and books to suit your own agenda.



Chrisitianity is stated to be around 2,000 years old on every record, but according to you its around 600 years old, and started in the american colonies ??????????
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Reply #50 - Jun 6th, 2014 at 11:03pm
 
I was wondering how that little nugget was produced myself.
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Reply #51 - Jun 7th, 2014 at 11:37am
 
stryder wrote on Jun 6th, 2014 at 11:01pm:
Chrisitianity is stated to be around 2,000 years old on every record, but according to you its around 600 years old, and started in the american colonies ??????????


Once again... I stated that Christianity is assumed to be about 600 or 700 years old, and was revived in the American colonies, when pilgrims fled Europe in pursuit of continuing their fanaticism for their religion. I didn't say that it was invented in America. There isn't anything out there that proves that the religion was widespread 1700 years ago. Nor does the fact that people seemed unexcited by the prospect of someone, for example, "magically" being able to feed thousands of people through limited resources. Yet, then still be able to go about their day without such a life altering experience witnessed, and not made public enough that authority figures would try and make sense and use of such a strategically significant resource. It... doesn't.... make.... sense!
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Reply #52 - Jun 7th, 2014 at 12:03pm
 
UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 7th, 2014 at 11:37am:
stryder wrote on Jun 6th, 2014 at 11:01pm:
Chrisitianity is stated to be around 2,000 years old on every record, but according to you its around 600 years old, and started in the american colonies ??????????


Once again... I stated that Christianity is assumed to be about 600 or 700 years old, and was revived in the American colonies, when pilgrims fled Europe in pursuit of continuing their fanaticism for their religion. I didn't say that it was invented in America. There isn't anything out there that proves that the religion was widespread 1700 years ago. Nor does the fact that people seemed unexcited by the prospect of someone, for example, "magically" being able to feed thousands of people through limited resources. Yet, then still be able to go about their day without such a life altering experience witnessed, and not made public enough that authority figures would try and make sense and use of such a strategically significant resource. It... doesn't.... make.... sense!



What about the crusades from europe in the 11th and 12 centuries that wanted to capture jerusalem and the holy land for christian europe, how does that fit in to your theory of yours, ??????
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Reply #53 - Jun 7th, 2014 at 12:08pm
 
UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 7th, 2014 at 11:37am:
stryder wrote on Jun 6th, 2014 at 11:01pm:
Chrisitianity is stated to be around 2,000 years old on every record, but according to you its around 600 years old, and started in the american colonies ??????????


Once again... I stated that Christianity is assumed to be about 600 or 700 years old, and was revived in the American colonies, when pilgrims fled Europe in pursuit of continuing their fanaticism for their religion. I didn't say that it was invented in America. There isn't anything out there that proves that the religion was widespread 1700 years ago. Nor does the fact that people seemed unexcited by the prospect of someone, for example, "magically" being able to feed thousands of people through limited resources. Yet, then still be able to go about their day without such a life altering experience witnessed, and not made public enough that authority figures would try and make sense and use of such a strategically significant resource. It... doesn't.... make....sense !



The fact is 2,000 years ago was a different time and era compared to today, there wasnt twitter or mass media technology to report on what was going on in the roman or biblical world of then.
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Reply #54 - Jun 7th, 2014 at 2:20pm
 
stryder wrote on Jun 7th, 2014 at 12:03pm:
UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 7th, 2014 at 11:37am:
stryder wrote on Jun 6th, 2014 at 11:01pm:
Chrisitianity is stated to be around 2,000 years old on every record, but according to you its around 600 years old, and started in the american colonies ??????????


Once again... I stated that Christianity is assumed to be about 600 or 700 years old, and was revived in the American colonies, when pilgrims fled Europe in pursuit of continuing their fanaticism for their religion. I didn't say that it was invented in America. There isn't anything out there that proves that the religion was widespread 1700 years ago. Nor does the fact that people seemed unexcited by the prospect of someone, for example, "magically" being able to feed thousands of people through limited resources. Yet, then still be able to go about their day without such a life altering experience witnessed, and not made public enough that authority figures would try and make sense and use of such a strategically significant resource. It... doesn't.... make.... sense!



What about the crusades from europe in the 11th and 12 centuries that wanted to capture jerusalem and the holy land for christian europe, how does that fit in to your theory of yours, ??????


I thought it was about imperialistic expansion. Christians can be about implicating themselves into history, by claiming credit for things that they didn't involve themselves.
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Reply #55 - Jun 7th, 2014 at 2:30pm
 
stryder wrote on Jun 7th, 2014 at 12:08pm:
UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 7th, 2014 at 11:37am:
stryder wrote on Jun 6th, 2014 at 11:01pm:
Chrisitianity is stated to be around 2,000 years old on every record, but according to you its around 600 years old, and started in the american colonies ??????????


Once again... I stated that Christianity is assumed to be about 600 or 700 years old, and was revived in the American colonies, when pilgrims fled Europe in pursuit of continuing their fanaticism for their religion. I didn't say that it was invented in America. There isn't anything out there that proves that the religion was widespread 1700 years ago. Nor does the fact that people seemed unexcited by the prospect of someone, for example, "magically" being able to feed thousands of people through limited resources. Yet, then still be able to go about their day without such a life altering experience witnessed, and not made public enough that authority figures would try and make sense and use of such a strategically significant resource. It... doesn't.... make....sense !



The fact is 2,000 years ago was a different time and era compared to today, there wasnt twitter or mass media technology to report on what was going on in the roman or biblical world of then.


Obstinate Christians believe that Jesus had the ability to replicate food (bread and fish) of small portion samples so that 5000 people were able to be fed sufficiently. Had all these miracles been witnessed by any number of people, it is obvious that the Romans would have seized on such an opportunity to strengthen their army, and feed them with such a person. Any nation on earth would be falling over themselves for the chance to use such a person. But since the bible basically goes on about Jesus getting his arse kicked, and then executed, and THEN seeing that people basically forget about him, we can assume that the story is just a story, and such a miracle worker didn't exist.
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Reply #56 - Jun 7th, 2014 at 3:21pm
 
UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 7th, 2014 at 11:37am:
stryder wrote on Jun 6th, 2014 at 11:01pm:
Chrisitianity is stated to be around 2,000 years old on every record, but according to you its around 600 years old, and started in the american colonies ??????????


Once again... I stated that Christianity is assumed to be about 600 or 700 years old, and was revived in the American colonies, when pilgrims fled Europe in pursuit of continuing their fanaticism for their religion. I didn't say that it was invented in America. There isn't anything out there that proves that the religion was widespread 1700 years ago. Nor does the fact that people seemed unexcited by the prospect of someone, for example, "magically" being able to feed thousands of people through limited resources. Yet, then still be able to go about their day without such a life altering experience witnessed, and not made public enough that authority figures would try and make sense and use of such a strategically significant resource. It... doesn't.... make.... sense!


LOL just another persons theory.  Roll Eyes
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Reply #57 - Jun 7th, 2014 at 8:26pm
 
Mattywisk wrote on Jun 6th, 2014 at 10:55pm:
UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 6th, 2014 at 10:45pm:
No, I was saying that the story of Jesus is only 600 or 700 years old, and was reignited by American pioneers who fled the enlightenment period. You can always rewrite history and books to suit your own agenda.


You can always post your opinion online too and try and rewrite history to suit yourself as well.
It goes both ways.


Your opinion concedes that I probably have a reasonable point. Why wouldn't the likelihood that a region of society that is more than 90% illiterate would also have its recorded history dictated retroactively by more modern religious scholars?

2000 years ago, historians wouldn't have had any problem embellishing the functionality of society, as well as claiming that God came to them in dreams, and that the ooga-booga demon caused earthquakes, whilst magic was what caused the earth to be the centre of the universe, blah, blah, blah...

Historians over the next 2000+ years wouldn't have had any real number of competitors to challenge them on what went on at the time. My opponents have also conceded that there wasn't any twitter, facebook, internet, up to date news which would have allowed an educated (amongst largely uneducated) society to follow up and challenge the validity of such claims. Therefore, to be able to verify the possibility of such acts, the historian is up against it to prove something that no one will challenge. But that puts him in the advantage.

So, you can imagine that my premise that "those making the assertion need to prove their point" is a valid argument. If you want to go and prove something from a time when now the dust of the involved people's bones have blown away in the wind, you really are grasping at fresh air in trying to convince a modern day agnostic that far-fetched scenarios are plausible.
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Reply #58 - Jun 7th, 2014 at 8:28pm
 
Mattywisk wrote on Jun 7th, 2014 at 3:21pm:
UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 7th, 2014 at 11:37am:
stryder wrote on Jun 6th, 2014 at 11:01pm:
Chrisitianity is stated to be around 2,000 years old on every record, but according to you its around 600 years old, and started in the american colonies ??????????


Once again... I stated that Christianity is assumed to be about 600 or 700 years old, and was revived in the American colonies, when pilgrims fled Europe in pursuit of continuing their fanaticism for their religion. I didn't say that it was invented in America. There isn't anything out there that proves that the religion was widespread 1700 years ago. Nor does the fact that people seemed unexcited by the prospect of someone, for example, "magically" being able to feed thousands of people through limited resources. Yet, then still be able to go about their day without such a life altering experience witnessed, and not made public enough that authority figures would try and make sense and use of such a strategically significant resource. It... doesn't.... make.... sense!


LOL just another persons theory.  Roll Eyes


Sounds more credible than your far-fetched theory. *laughing out loud*
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Reply #59 - Jun 7th, 2014 at 8:57pm
 
stryder wrote on Jun 7th, 2014 at 12:08pm:
UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 7th, 2014 at 11:37am:
stryder wrote on Jun 6th, 2014 at 11:01pm:
Chrisitianity is stated to be around 2,000 years old on every record, but according to you its around 600 years old, and started in the american colonies ??????????


Once again... I stated that Christianity is assumed to be about 600 or 700 years old, and was revived in the American colonies, when pilgrims fled Europe in pursuit of continuing their fanaticism for their religion. I didn't say that it was invented in America. There isn't anything out there that proves that the religion was widespread 1700 years ago. Nor does the fact that people seemed unexcited by the prospect of someone, for example, "magically" being able to feed thousands of people through limited resources. Yet, then still be able to go about their day without such a life altering experience witnessed, and not made public enough that authority figures would try and make sense and use of such a strategically significant resource. It... doesn't.... make....sense !



The fact is 2,000 years ago was a different time and era compared to today, there wasnt twitter or mass media technology to report on what was going on in the roman or biblical world of then.


few people were literate.
People did not travel much or far.
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