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Was Jesus the son of god or just a human ?
Jun 4^th, 2014 at 9:23pm

Im an agnostic which you probaly know that means i dont follow or believe in any mainstream religion but i dont rule out the possibllity of an inteligient design either, that most religions have defined there beliefs in one on, rather that the universe was created from some cosmic accident.

I was once a christian, but left the church, became an atheist for a while , but have been thinking agnostically ever since.

But I often read about the story of jesus christ whose name is the most widely known in human history and what really happened 2,000 years ago in the holy land, through the new testament people we have been sold the idea of Jesus christ as a supernatural deity, a god who became human who dropped in here from heaven to earth to spread moral philosphy about sin, mercy and forgiveness and that there is a god in heaven who happens to give a s**t about the human beings that he supposely have created.

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stryder Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4545 Gender:	Re: Was Jesus the son of god or just a human ? Reply #1 - Jun 4^th, 2014 at 10:14pm I think Ive placed this thread in the wrong board, I should have been put into atheism, sprinty I think this one needs to go to the atheism board.
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UnSubRocky Gold Member Online Crocodile Hunter: Origins Posts: 24824 Rockhampton Gender:	Re: Was Jesus the son of god or just a human ? Reply #2 - Jun 4^th, 2014 at 10:14pm Neither. Jesus is just a mythological story that Americans have reignited 500 years ago and claimed to be real.
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Reply #3 - Jun 4^th, 2014 at 10:18pm

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 4^th, 2014 at 10:14pm:

Neither. Jesus is just a mythological story that Americans have reignited 500 years ago and claimed to be real.

Oh the story of jesus and its aftermath and fallout has been this way for more than just 500 years, christianity has played a big role in the shaping of europe after the fall of the roman empire.

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Reply #4 - Jun 4^th, 2014 at 10:25pm

stryder wrote on Jun 4^th, 2014 at 10:18pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 4^th, 2014 at 10:14pm:

Neither. Jesus is just a mythological story that Americans have reignited 500 years ago and claimed to be real.

Oh the story of jesus and its aftermath and fallout has been this way for more than just 500 years, christianity has played a big role in the shaping of europe after the fall of the roman empire.

The prime sources of the life of jesus is in the four canonised gospels, outside of that is the works of josephus who may have lived around his time, the dead sea scrolls, the koran and the roman historian tacitus who made a passing reference on him.

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stryder Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4545 Gender:	Re: Was Jesus the son of god or just a human ? Reply #5 - Jun 4^th, 2014 at 10:31pm Ive read two books about the possibilities of who Jesus really was. where it leans on the theory which i mostly believe i which he was just a human being. Check out if you can Jesus the man by barbara thiering The secret life of jesus by robert macklin
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Reply #6 - Jun 4^th, 2014 at 10:54pm

stryder wrote on Jun 4^th, 2014 at 10:18pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 4^th, 2014 at 10:14pm:

Neither. Jesus is just a mythological story that Americans have reignited 500 years ago and claimed to be real.

Oh the story of jesus and its aftermath and fallout has been this way for more than just 500 years, christianity has played a big role in the shaping of europe after the fall of the roman empire.

I would say that Christianity was something that played a minimalist role in the overthrow of the Roman Empire. Very few people knew about Christianity, and it was possibly 600 years ago that there were numbers enough for Christianity to be noteworthy. Just that when the Reformation came about, the Christian fundamentalists got on their boats and headed to modern day United States so that they can continue their socially inept ways towards modern day cultural dorkification.

This doesn't diminish the reasoning that the story of "Jeebuz and his shite beez majuk stuff" is pure fiction.

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Reply #7 - Jun 4^th, 2014 at 11:03pm

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 4^th, 2014 at 10:54pm:

stryder wrote on Jun 4^th, 2014 at 10:18pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 4^th, 2014 at 10:14pm:

Neither. Jesus is just a mythological story that Americans have reignited 500 years ago and claimed to be real.

Oh the story of jesus and its aftermath and fallout has been this way for more than just 500 years, christianity has played a big role in the shaping of europe after the fall of the roman empire.

I would say that Christianity was something that played a minimalist role in the overthrow of the Roman Empire. Very few people knew about Christianity, and it was possibly 600 years ago that there were numbers enough for Christianity to be noteworthy. Just that when the Reformation came about, the Christian fundamentalists got on their boats and headed to modern day United States so that they can continue their socially inept ways towards modern day cultural dorkification.

This doesn't diminish the reasoning that the story of "Jeebuz and his shite beez majuk stuff" is pure fiction.

You really think he was just made up entirely ??, do you think there is a possibility that he actually existed, but was no supernatural deity in human guise, but rather a human being just like you and me, who got caught up in something where he died along the way on a wooden cross, and somehow the supernatural element to him was made up along the way after he died to create a religion.

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Reply #8 - Jun 4^th, 2014 at 11:48pm

Jesus was born as a human child, and he grew up to be a human man.

The human man Jesus was 'imbued' with the pure spirit of God. ....whereas [i believe] we have and are 'gifted' with a small portion of the spirit of God. Think of our situ as that of the servants, in the parable of the talents. Matthew 25:14-30

And Jesus the man experienced what it means to be human, and to suffer temptation and loss.

Jesus was killed by men [by 'normal' mankind].

And on the third day, the spirit of God redeemed Jesus the entity, back to life, and redeemed 'him', back into the full presence of 'God'.

Q.
What will be our fate ?

A.
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What are you doing, with the gifts that God has given entrusted to you ?

Matthew 25:29
For unto every one that hath shall be given, and he shall have abundance: but from him that hath not shall be taken away even that which he hath.
30 And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Jesus is real.

Many people alive today claim to have met him, and to have been in his presence.

Some were even born as moslems.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Reply #9 - Jun 4^th, 2014 at 11:55pm

stryder wrote on Jun 4^th, 2014 at 11:03pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 4^th, 2014 at 10:54pm:

stryder wrote on Jun 4^th, 2014 at 10:18pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 4^th, 2014 at 10:14pm:

Neither. Jesus is just a mythological story that Americans have reignited 500 years ago and claimed to be real.

Oh the story of jesus and its aftermath and fallout has been this way for more than just 500 years, christianity has played a big role in the shaping of europe after the fall of the roman empire.

I would say that Christianity was something that played a minimalist role in the overthrow of the Roman Empire. Very few people knew about Christianity, and it was possibly 600 years ago that there were numbers enough for Christianity to be noteworthy. Just that when the Reformation came about, the Christian fundamentalists got on their boats and headed to modern day United States so that they can continue their socially inept ways towards modern day cultural dorkification.

This doesn't diminish the reasoning that the story of "Jeebuz and his shite beez majuk stuff" is pure fiction.

You really think he was just made up entirely ??, do you think there is a possibility that he actually existed, but was no supernatural deity in human guise, but rather a human being just like you and me, who got caught up in something where he died along the way on a wooden cross, and somehow the supernatural element to him was made up along the way after he died to create a religion.

A very good possibility that he was a real human, but not supernatural.
One theory I read somewhere was that Jesus was from the family of King David, and was actually trying, by peaceful methods, to reclaim the throne of Israel.

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Reply #10 - Jun 5^th, 2014 at 12:24am

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jun 4^th, 2014 at 11:55pm:

stryder wrote on Jun 4^th, 2014 at 11:03pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 4^th, 2014 at 10:54pm:

stryder wrote on Jun 4^th, 2014 at 10:18pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 4^th, 2014 at 10:14pm:

Neither. Jesus is just a mythological story that Americans have reignited 500 years ago and claimed to be real.

Oh the story of jesus and its aftermath and fallout has been this way for more than just 500 years, christianity has played a big role in the shaping of europe after the fall of the roman empire.

I would say that Christianity was something that played a minimalist role in the overthrow of the Roman Empire. Very few people knew about Christianity, and it was possibly 600 years ago that there were numbers enough for Christianity to be noteworthy. Just that when the Reformation came about, the Christian fundamentalists got on their boats and headed to modern day United States so that they can continue their socially inept ways towards modern day cultural dorkification.

This doesn't diminish the reasoning that the story of "Jeebuz and his shite beez majuk stuff" is pure fiction.

You really think he was just made up entirely ??, do you think there is a possibility that he actually existed, but was no supernatural deity in human guise, but rather a human being just like you and me, who got caught up in something where he died along the way on a wooden cross, and somehow the supernatural element to him was made up along the way after he died to create a religion.

A very good possibility that he was a real human, but not supernatural.
One theory I read somewhere was that Jesus was from the family of King David, and was actually trying, by peaceful methods, to reclaim the throne of Israel.

There is even one story that jesus was concieved through a rape of mary by a roman soldier name panthera. it suggest that a roman soldier was his father and not joseph the carpenter.

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Reply #11 - Jun 5^th, 2014 at 10:23am

stryder wrote on Jun 4^th, 2014 at 9:23pm:

Im an agnostic which you probaly know that means i dont follow or believe in any mainstream religion but i dont rule out the possibllity of an inteligient design either, that most religions have defined there beliefs in one on, rather that the universe was created from some cosmic accident.

I was once a christian, but left the church, became an atheist for a while , but have been thinking agnostically ever since.

But I often read about the story of jesus christ whose name is the most widely known in human history and what really happened 2,000 years ago in the holy land, through the new testament people we have been sold the idea of Jesus christ as a supernatural deity, a god who became human who dropped in here from heaven to earth to spread moral philosphy about sin, mercy and forgiveness and that there is a god in heaven who happens to give a s**t about the human beings that he supposely have created.

this thread my be useful for you

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1396315783/220

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Prime Minister for Canyons Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 26906 Canberra Gender:	Re: Was Jesus the son of god or just a human ? Reply #12 - Jun 5^th, 2014 at 10:38am To be honest, I think Life of Brian was probably the closest in reality. There were plenty of prophets at the time who claimed to be Son of God. One just happened to be a little better at the mythology
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Reply #13 - Jun 5^th, 2014 at 10:42am

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 4^th, 2014 at 10:54pm:

stryder wrote on Jun 4^th, 2014 at 10:18pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 4^th, 2014 at 10:14pm:

Neither. Jesus is just a mythological story that Americans have reignited 500 years ago and claimed to be real.

Oh the story of jesus and its aftermath and fallout has been this way for more than just 500 years, christianity has played a big role in the shaping of europe after the fall of the roman empire.

I would say that Christianity was something that played a minimalist role in the overthrow of the Roman Empire. Very few people knew about Christianity, and it was possibly 600 years ago that there were numbers enough for Christianity to be noteworthy. Just that when the Reformation came about, the Christian fundamentalists got on their boats and headed to modern day United States so that they can continue their socially inept ways towards modern day cultural dorkification.

This doesn't diminish the reasoning that the story of "Jeebuz and his shite beez majuk stuff" is pure fiction.

Christianity became the official religion of the Roman Empire in 4AD under Constantine. It then influenced almost the entire world view of people in Europe from this point. Europe split in two: the Holy Roman Empire and Eastern Orthodox. Pretty much all literature written from this era until the Enlightenment period refers to Christianity at some point.

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Reply #14 - Jun 5^th, 2014 at 10:42am

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 4^th, 2014 at 10:54pm:

stryder wrote on Jun 4^th, 2014 at 10:18pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 4^th, 2014 at 10:14pm:

Neither. Jesus is just a mythological story that Americans have reignited 500 years ago and claimed to be real.

Oh the story of jesus and its aftermath and fallout has been this way for more than just 500 years, christianity has played a big role in the shaping of europe after the fall of the roman empire.

I would say that Christianity was something that played a minimalist role in the overthrow of the Roman Empire. Very few people knew about Christianity, and it was possibly 600 years ago that there were numbers enough for Christianity to be noteworthy. Just that when the Reformation came about, the Christian fundamentalists got on their boats and headed to modern day United States so that they can continue their socially inept ways towards modern day cultural dorkification.
This doesn't diminish the reasoning that the story of "Jeebuz and his shite beez majuk stuff" is pure fiction.

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..................they can continue their socially inept ways towards modern day cultural dorkification......

hahahhah, great terminology.

I know, I know, I'm meant to be offended .......... its funny though

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