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Reply #75 - Jun 11^th, 2014 at 10:00pm

What I find interesting in reading the new testament, the gospels is the fact that the authors omitted nearly 30 years of jesus' life, only the gospels of matthew and luke thought to include the birth of jesus and one short story of his childhood, while the gospels of mark and john didnt care about including it, but next to that we know nothing of jesus' upbringing, his teenage years or even what happened to him in his 20s ??? why is that, given the rapture over this man ????

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Reply #76 - Jun 11^th, 2014 at 10:12pm

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jun 5^th, 2014 at 10:38am:

To be honest, I think Life of Brian was probably the closest in reality. There were plenty of prophets at the time who claimed to be Son of God. One just happened to be a little better at the mythology

Im going to have to check out that film one day, ive heard of it for decades, but never got around to seeing it.

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Reply #78 - Jun 12^th, 2014 at 12:32am

stryder wrote on Jun 4^th, 2014 at 9:23pm:

Im an agnostic which you probaly know that means i dont follow or believe in any mainstream religion but i dont rule out the possibllity of an inteligient design either, that most religions have defined there beliefs in one on, rather that the universe was created from some cosmic accident.

I was once a christian, but left the church, became an atheist for a while , but have been thinking agnostically ever since.

But I often read about the story of jesus christ whose name is the most widely known in human history and what really happened 2,000 years ago in the holy land, through the new testament people we have been sold the idea of Jesus christ as a supernatural deity, a god who became human who dropped in here from heaven to earth to spread moral philosphy about sin, mercy and forgiveness and that there is a god in heaven who happens to give a s**t about the human beings that he supposely have created.

What? You'd rather believe in Mohammed???
How the World’s Most Notorious Atheist Changed His Mind

Antony Flew: There were two factors in particular that were decisive. One was my growing empathy with the insight of Einstein and other noted scientists that there had to be an Intelligence behind the integrated complexity of the physical Universe. The second was my own insight that the integrated complexity of life itself—which is far more complex than the physical Universe—can only be explained in terms of an Intelligent Source. I believe that the origin of life and reproduction simply cannot be explained from a biological standpoint despite numerous efforts to do so. With every passing year, the more that was discovered about the richness and inherent intelligence of life, the less it seemed likely that a chemical soup could magically generate the genetic code. The difference between life and non-life, it became apparent to me, was ontological and not chemical. The best confirmation of this radical gulf is Richard Dawkins' comical effort to argue in The God Delusion that the origin of life can be attributed to a "lucky chance." If that's the best argument you have, then the game is over. No, I did not hear a Voice. It was the evidence itself that led me to this conclusion.

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Reply #79 - Jun 12^th, 2014 at 10:14am

I threw the bible across the room the other day. The amount of absolute crap and the psyche of uncertainty of the characters makes for a bad read. How does one be able to hold such high esteem for something so abstract?

No wonder Star Wars is so popular, that the Jedi religion is even practiced in real world.

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Sprintcyclist Moderator Offline OzPolitic Posts: 40735 Gender:	Re: Was Jesus the son of god or just a human ? Reply #80 - Jun 12^th, 2014 at 10:21am For the word of God is alive and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart. Hebrews 4:12
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Reply #81 - Jun 12^th, 2014 at 12:06pm

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 12^th, 2014 at 10:14am:

I threw the bible across the room the other day. The amount of absolute crap and the psyche of uncertainty of the characters makes for a bad read. How does one be able to hold such high esteem for something so abstract?

No wonder Star Wars is so popular, that the Jedi religion is even practiced in real world.

Consistency is the last refuge of the unimaginative.

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Reply #82 - Jun 12^th, 2014 at 1:45pm

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 12^th, 2014 at 10:14am:

I threw the bible across the room the other day. The amount of absolute crap and the psyche of uncertainty of the characters makes for a bad read. How does one be able to hold such high esteem for something so abstract?

That's the whole point. If it wasn't so abstract we'd have a convenient set of rules and regulations that no one would follow.

Modernity has given up on poetry and inspiration. We've become literal, pedantic and fundamentalist.

Spirituality does not always work like this. While a lot of spiritual work is hard graft, much of it is done through dreams.

To advance in self-awareness, you need the phenomenological as much, if not more than, the neumenological.

The Bible is not a passive text.

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Reply #83 - Jun 14^th, 2014 at 3:15pm

Soren wrote on Jun 12^th, 2014 at 12:06pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 12^th, 2014 at 10:14am:

I threw the bible across the room the other day. The amount of absolute crap and the psyche of uncertainty of the characters makes for a bad read. How does one be able to hold such high esteem for something so abstract?

No wonder Star Wars is so popular, that the Jedi religion is even practiced in real world.

Consistency is the last refuge of the unimaginative.

Try call me unimaginative in front of people that know me. They like having a good laugh.

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Reply #84 - Jun 18^th, 2014 at 10:12pm

Karnal wrote on Jun 12^th, 2014 at 1:45pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 12^th, 2014 at 10:14am:

I threw the bible across the room the other day. The amount of absolute crap and the psyche of uncertainty of the characters makes for a bad read. How does one be able to hold such high esteem for something so abstract?

That's the whole point. If it wasn't so abstract we'd have a convenient set of rules and regulations that no one would follow.

Modernity has given up on poetry and inspiration. We've become literal, pedantic and fundamentalist.

Spirituality does not always work like this. While a lot of spiritual work is hard graft, much of it is done through dreams.

To advance in self-awareness, you need the phenomenological as much, if not more than, the neumenological.

The Bible is not a passive text.

Just so.

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Reply #85 - Jun 26^th, 2014 at 9:50pm

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 14^th, 2014 at 3:15pm:

Soren wrote on Jun 12^th, 2014 at 12:06pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 12^th, 2014 at 10:14am:

I threw the bible across the room the other day. The amount of absolute crap and the psyche of uncertainty of the characters makes for a bad read. How does one be able to hold such high esteem for something so abstract?

No wonder Star Wars is so popular, that the Jedi religion is even practiced in real world.

Consistency is the last refuge of the unimaginative.

Try call me unimaginative in front of people that know me. They like having a good laugh.

Throwing a book that has been the basis of your own civilisation across the room is the sign of a petulant, unimaginative, emotionally spoiled man with little learning and unjustifiably large opinions of himself.

Tantrum is the word.

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Reply #86 - Jun 26^th, 2014 at 11:34pm

Soren wrote on Jun 26^th, 2014 at 9:50pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 14^th, 2014 at 3:15pm:

Soren wrote on Jun 12^th, 2014 at 12:06pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jun 12^th, 2014 at 10:14am:

I threw the bible across the room the other day. The amount of absolute crap and the psyche of uncertainty of the characters makes for a bad read. How does one be able to hold such high esteem for something so abstract?

No wonder Star Wars is so popular, that the Jedi religion is even practiced in real world.

Consistency is the last refuge of the unimaginative.

Try call me unimaginative in front of people that know me. They like having a good laugh.

Throwing a book that has been the basis of your own civilisation across the room is the sign of a petulant, unimaginative, emotionally spoiled man with little learning and unjustifiably large opinions of himself.

Tantrum is the word.

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Air is provided by God, not the muslim fictitious one, enjoy it while you can.

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Reply #87 - Jul 5^th, 2014 at 12:03pm

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Discovered and kept secret in the year 2000, the book contains the Gospel of Barnabas – a disciple of Christ – which shows that Jesus was not crucified, nor was he the son of God, but a Prophet. The book also calls Apostle Paul “The Impostor”. The book also claims that Jesus ascended to heaven alive, and that Judas Iscariot was crucified in his place.

Read more at http://higherperspective.com/2014/05/1500-year-old-bible-claims-jesus-christ-crucified-vatican-awe.html#Cj7bWBU7tSqbqDkx.99

Got this from the

jesus not crucified

thread running in the Islam forum,

This looks like a new one it seems that some old ancient looking book that they discovered will suggest another theory among many of who jesus really was.

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Richdude Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 8457 NC Gender:	Re: Was Jesus the son of god or just a human ? Reply #88 - Jul 14^th, 2014 at 2:24pm We are all sons of God - whether we realize that or not.
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Reply #89 - Aug 13^th, 2014 at 12:41pm

stryder wrote on Jun 11^th, 2014 at 10:00pm:

What I find interesting in reading the new testament, the gospels is the fact that the authors omitted nearly 30 years of jesus' life, only the gospels of matthew and luke thought to include the birth of jesus and one short story of his childhood, while the gospels of mark and john didnt care about including it, but next to that we know nothing of jesus' upbringing, his teenage years or even what happened to him in his 20s ??? why is that, given the rapture over this man ????

Raven thinks the passage of time would have been a factor. The earliest gospel, Mark, was written some 40 odd years after his crucifixion. So it would be unlikely they would have found anyone who grew up with him.

Interestingly a group in Kashmir claim that 2000 years ago a boy travelled there from Judea with his family and learnt Buddhism off the monks, then returned home after a number of years. Could the Nazarene's preaching's of love thy enemy and turn the other cheek be inspired by Buddhist teachings?

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