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Re: The "core tenets" of Islam
Reply #105 - Jun 11^th, 2014 at 5:11pm

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And what is "Islam" about?

Muhammed - what he did and what he said. This places fundamental limitations on your efforts to reinterpret it.

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You express bewilderment at my interpretation of islamic views on sodomy, yet 'mainstream' islam's take on say the hijab has every bit the tenuous grounding in islamic doctrine as you claim my views on sodomy does. You really do have to jump through hoops and imagine things that are simply not there - to conclude that the Quran commands women to wear the hijab.

I keep forgetting which one it is. Abu often pointed out that women do not have to wear the letterbox outfit.

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So I ask, if mainstream muslims allow themselves to be fooled by so called "scholars" who take the longest stretch you can imagine in their interpretation of islamic texts to propogate their misogyny and intolerance and call it "islamic law" - I reckon its fair enough to take the same sort of liberties with things like homosexuality. Thats a crude way of putting it, but I hope you get my point.

Maybe that's fair enough, but I'm not going to take you seriously when you accuse other Muslims of misinterpreting Islam. I also don't think you could come up with anything as extreme as interpreting Muhammed's order to execute homosexuals as a pro-gay statement. I doubt any of those Muslims willfully "take liberties" with Islamic doctrine. Most conservative religious people are that way because they try to interpret the religion as literally as possible. They might be amenable if you counter falsehoods about Islam with the truth about Islam, but they will just get hostile if you try to counter it with absurd lies. I'm not sure who you are trying to fool here, but you aren't going to fool anyone. You don't even seem to have convinced yourself.

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Karnal Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 96354	Re: The "core tenets" of Islam Reply #106 - Jun 11^th, 2014 at 6:01pm FD, do you think Y’s version of Christian ethics is the "correct" one? I’m curious.
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49341 At my desk.	Re: The "core tenets" of Islam Reply #107 - Jun 11^th, 2014 at 6:08pm Not sure. I haven't been paying that much attention. I expect it would be a bit more complicated given the different focus of the old and new testament.
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Datalife Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2405 Gender:	Re: The "core tenets" of Islam Reply #108 - Jun 11^th, 2014 at 6:09pm freediver wrote on Jun 11^th, 2014 at 5:11pm: I'm not sure who you are trying to fool here, but you aren't going to fool anyone. You don't even seem to have convinced yourself. But the dazzling footwork has been a joy to behold.
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Karnal Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 96354	Re: The "core tenets" of Islam Reply #109 - Jun 11^th, 2014 at 7:32pm freediver wrote on Jun 11^th, 2014 at 6:08pm: Not sure. I haven't been paying that much attention. I expect it would be a bit more complicated given the different focus of the old and new testament. Are you saying you have a better understanding of Islam than Christianity?
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Mattywisk Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1373 Gender:	Re: The "core tenets" of Islam Reply #110 - Jun 11^th, 2014 at 7:46pm If Karnal the pretend muslim is the best Gandalf of Gandslam has I don't hold much confidence in Gandslam taking off.
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Re: The "core tenets" of Islam
Reply #111 - Jun 11^th, 2014 at 7:49pm

Karnal wrote on Jun 11^th, 2014 at 7:32pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 11^th, 2014 at 6:08pm:

Not sure. I haven't been paying that much attention. I expect it would be a bit more complicated given the different focus of the old and new testament.

Are you saying you have a better understanding of Islam than Christianity?

I haven't been paying that much attention to Yadda.

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Re: The "core tenets" of Islam
Reply #112 - Jun 11^th, 2014 at 8:45pm

freediver wrote on Jun 11^th, 2014 at 7:49pm:

Karnal wrote on Jun 11^th, 2014 at 7:32pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 11^th, 2014 at 6:08pm:

Not sure. I haven't been paying that much attention. I expect it would be a bit more complicated given the different focus of the old and new testament.

Are you saying you have a better understanding of Islam than Christianity?

I haven't been paying that much attention to Yadda.

Good idea, FD. We wouldn’t want to jump to conclusions about anyone’s religious beliefs here. Let’s give Y the benefit of the doubt.

What about Sprint? He moderates the Spirituality forum. Does Sprint espouse the right version of Christian ethics?

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49341 At my desk.	Re: The "core tenets" of Islam Reply #113 - Jun 11^th, 2014 at 9:12pm Both seem pretty "old testament" to me. Feel free to interrogate them if you want. To me they seem quite open about their views.
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Karnal Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 96354	Re: The "core tenets" of Islam Reply #114 - Jun 11^th, 2014 at 9:22pm No interrogations here, FD. We believe in Freedom. I’m not asking you about their beliefs - I’m trying to uncover the correct version of Christianity. What about the old boy? He’s a cheese-eating Freudian Lutheran. It sounds frightful, I know. But is it the right version?
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49341 At my desk.	Re: The "core tenets" of Islam Reply #115 - Jun 11^th, 2014 at 9:25pm If you are really interested, perhaps you should start a new thread.
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Karnal Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 96354	Re: The "core tenets" of Islam Reply #116 - Jun 11^th, 2014 at 9:40pm You don’t want to answer? Why not? I thought you were interested in "core tenets".
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Reply #117 - Jun 11^th, 2014 at 9:55pm

Please excuse me for anticipating your reply, FD, but a strange thought just passed my mind.

Here you are lauding Abu for being a decent, right-thinking Muslim while accusing G for telling fibs.

But you don’t want to judge individual Christians for their beliefs or discuss what they believe.

Despite the daily Bible quotes, it’s never even crossed your mind.

Would you care to explain this discrepancy in "core tenets"?

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Re: The "core tenets" of Islam
Reply #118 - Jun 11^th, 2014 at 10:58pm

Karnal wrote on Jun 11^th, 2014 at 9:55pm:

Please excuse me for anticipating your reply, FD, but a strange thought just passed my mind.

Here you are lauding Abu for being a decent, right-thinking Muslim while accusing G for telling fibs.

But you don’t want to judge individual Christians for their beliefs or discuss what they believe.

Despite the daily Bible quotes, it’s never even crossed your mind.

Would you care to explain this discrepancy in "core tenets"?

What do you like about Islam, PB? What has it given you that made you a better PB; made your life and the the lives of others around you better?

I can't think of a single thing that would recommends it ahead of all the alternatives but you seem to be always on the lookout to defend it? So what is Islamic sunshine in your life, PB? Can't be just the camel piss, shurely.

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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: The "core tenets" of Islam Reply #119 - Jun 12^th, 2014 at 12:23am polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 8^th, 2014 at 11:49pm: freediver wrote on Jun 8^th, 2014 at 10:02pm: You are being an evasive Muslim Gandalf. I don't even know what I'm supposed to be evading. Whaddayagot?
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