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Re: The "core tenets" of Islam
Reply #15 - Jun 9^th, 2014 at 7:36am

Soren wrote on Jun 8^th, 2014 at 10:10pm:

Can I hate and despise Islam as an ideology, a cult, a toxic blight - or should I despise it only privately but pretend, publicly, to take it seriously?

Isnt it evident your full of hate?

or That you complain that your sick about hearing about muslims but run to the ozpolitics islam section?

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Re: The "core tenets" of Islam
Reply #16 - Jun 9^th, 2014 at 11:26am

polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 8^th, 2014 at 11:49pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 8^th, 2014 at 10:02pm:

You are being an evasive Muslim Gandalf.

I don't even know what I'm supposed to be evading.

Your OP is, as always, a rambling muddle of disjointed quotes and questions that make no sense at all.

From what I can decipher from your ramblings, your "argument" seems to be along the lines of "lets have a laugh at gandalf thinking islamic core tenets have anything to do with universal human values - because I know they are about justifying aggression and presenting a false image"

Where you fall down though is in your open admission that you don't know the first thing about islamic doctrine except what you think two guys on this forum said about it - and your seeming pride in not wanting to even attempt to understand islam outside this circle of two people.

freediver wrote on Jun 8^th, 2014 at 6:04pm:

Are you suggesting that all the other Muslims will agree with you about acceptance and human rights being core tenets of Islam?

What other "main universal values" also happen to be core tenets of Islam?

Where do these core tenets come from?

Not sure why these questions make so little sense to you. They seem pretty straightforward to me. I deliberately avoided making an argument to give you a chance to correct the misconceptions about Islam that we have inherited from Abu, Falah, and he who shall not be named - a chance you seem wholly intent on squandering.

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Re: The "core tenets" of Islam
Reply #17 - Jun 9^th, 2014 at 12:20pm

freediver wrote on Jun 9^th, 2014 at 11:26am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 8^th, 2014 at 11:49pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 8^th, 2014 at 10:02pm:

You are being an evasive Muslim Gandalf.

I don't even know what I'm supposed to be evading.

Your OP is, as always, a rambling muddle of disjointed quotes and questions that make no sense at all.

From what I can decipher from your ramblings, your "argument" seems to be along the lines of "lets have a laugh at gandalf thinking islamic core tenets have anything to do with universal human values - because I know they are about justifying aggression and presenting a false image"

Where you fall down though is in your open admission that you don't know the first thing about islamic doctrine except what you think two guys on this forum said about it - and your seeming pride in not wanting to even attempt to understand islam outside this circle of two people.

freediver wrote on Jun 8^th, 2014 at 6:04pm:

Are you suggesting that all the other Muslims will agree with you about acceptance and human rights being core tenets of Islam?

What other "main universal values" also happen to be core tenets of Islam?

Where do these core tenets come from?

Not sure why these questions make so little sense to you. They seem pretty straightforward to me. I deliberately avoided making an argument to give you a chance to correct the misconceptions about Islam that we have inherited from Abu, Falah, and he who shall not be named - a chance you seem wholly intent on squandering.

But arent you a expert on the tenents of islam?

Arent you the same person who wrote a billion page article about islam on wikiislam, and the same person who wrote a thesis about islam on a damn AFL sporting forum for gods sake?

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Adamant Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1892 Brisbane	Re: The "core tenets" of Islam Reply #18 - Jun 9^th, 2014 at 12:39pm wally1 wrote on Jun 9^th, 2014 at 12:20pm: Arent you the same person who wrote on a damn AFL sporting forum for gods sake? Please clarification is sought, which "God" are we on about?
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Re: The "core tenets" of Islam
Reply #19 - Jun 9^th, 2014 at 1:02pm

Soren wrote on Jun 8^th, 2014 at 10:10pm:

Can I hate and despise Islam as an ideology, a cult, a toxic blight - or should I despise it only privately but pretend, publicly, to take it seriously?

But of course, dear boy. This is a free society. One can hate and despise whomever one chooses.

The doctors, Matron, all the other patients in the ward. Feel free to really hate.

It is a jolly world, no?

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Re: The "core tenets" of Islam
Reply #20 - Jun 9^th, 2014 at 1:57pm

I have never posted anything on wikiislam or afl sporting forums. Some guy once asked permission to copy certain content from the OzPolitic wiki to his wiki. Perhaps that is what you are talking about.

Wally1, can you shed any light on these core tenets of Islam like acceptance and human rights, and other "main universal values"?

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Karnal Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 96351	Re: The "core tenets" of Islam Reply #21 - Jun 9^th, 2014 at 4:01pm Why, FD, you already know the answer to your question - you’re a Muslim yourself, remember? There is No Gud but Allah, and Muhammed is His prophet. Sounds like ypu’re practicing Taqiyya. Cunning, no?
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Mattywisk Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1373 Gender:	Re: The "core tenets" of Islam Reply #22 - Jun 9^th, 2014 at 4:14pm I always enjoy reading the pretend muslim Karnal he makes me giggle.
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Re: The "core tenets" of Islam
Reply #23 - Jun 9^th, 2014 at 4:25pm

freediver wrote on Jun 9^th, 2014 at 1:57pm:

I have never posted anything on wikiislam or afl sporting forums. Some guy once asked permission to copy certain content from the OzPolitic wiki to his wiki. Perhaps that is what you are talking about.

Wally1, can you shed any light on these core tenets of Islam like acceptance and human rights, and other "main universal values"?

Yeah right.

So you expect me to beleive that somebody in there own spare time went over 20,000 of your posts and then says that this essay is by freediver. Please.

I cant even go back past my 25 posts.

And must be a coincidence that there is a member on a AFL forum who has the name freediver, rants about islam and has a link to ozpolitics in his posts slandering islam.

Yes FD, i beleive it wasnt you.

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Mattywisk Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1373 Gender:	Re: The "core tenets" of Islam Reply #24 - Jun 9^th, 2014 at 4:36pm Could have been an angry muslim from here. Anyone can make an Id to poo poo on someone. I wouldn't lose any sleep over the dramatics by people faking ID's elsewhere.
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freediver Gold Member Online www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49341 At my desk.	Re: The "core tenets" of Islam Reply #25 - Jun 9^th, 2014 at 4:53pm Wally1 would you mind giving me a link to this?
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Re: The "core tenets" of Islam
Reply #26 - Jun 9^th, 2014 at 5:01pm

freediver wrote on Jun 9^th, 2014 at 11:26am:

Are you suggesting that all the other Muslims will agree with you about acceptance and human rights being core tenets of Islam?

No. What I am suggesting is that almost all people who convert to islam, or for that matter convert to any of the text-based religions, do so once they were satisfied, in their mind, what the 'core tenets' of the religion are, and they do that without conducting any sort of in-depth study of each and every one of the religion's scriptures.

As for what each convert believes to be the 'core tenets' of their religion, that is entirely up to them

freediver wrote on Jun 9^th, 2014 at 11:26am:

What other "main universal values" also happen to be core tenets of Islam?

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All universal human values - because in my view islam and universal human values are one in the same. Any adherent to any religion will tell you the same - since if you think about it, for a believer to consider the idea that there exists universal human values that did not begat from their religion, is rather nonsensical.

freediver wrote on Jun 9^th, 2014 at 11:26am:

Where do these core tenets come from?

Islam. Obviously.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: The "core tenets" of Islam Reply #27 - Jun 9^th, 2014 at 5:03pm Just FYI, I am on the verge of deleting this little ad-hom tangent on FD...
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Re: The "core tenets" of Islam
Reply #28 - Jun 9^th, 2014 at 5:13pm

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As for what each convert believes to be the 'core tenets' of their religion, that is entirely up to them

Is there nothing 'absolute' about the core tenets of Islam?

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All universal human values - because in my view islam and universal human values are one in the same.

Would you mind listing some more examples?

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Islam. Obviously.

Can you be a bit more precise? Where does Islam make acceptance and human rights core tenets?

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Mattywisk Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1373 Gender:	Re: The "core tenets" of Islam Reply #29 - Jun 9^th, 2014 at 5:29pm "because in my view islam and universal human values are one in the same. " Some screws loose there obviously. Talk about living in ignorance and denial.
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