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Reply #195 - Jun 14^th, 2014 at 12:22pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 13^th, 2014 at 12:36pm:

Karnal wrote on Jun 13^th, 2014 at 12:19pm:

But then, how do we account for Christians who accept homosexuality? Paul is quite clear that homosexuality is a sin, and Christians don't have taqqiya.

The Christians I've heard or read on this issue say that the entirity of Jesus's teachings must be taken into account, not isolated or out of context quotes.

Indeed.

It seems prosperity and power cause religions to become more 'liberal' towards such matters.

I was just reading how during the golden age homosexuality was common place in the islamic world - even in Medina and Mecca.

FD will no doubt use this as evidence that islam is even more intolerant towards homosexuality than he previously thought. Somehow...

Oh!!!!!

'Lets promote ISLAM as having a tolerance of 'the people of Lot' of homosexuality.

That will help our Jihad, within that demographic - among the degenerate infidels!!!!! '

As per usual;

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......moslems have a preoccupation with re-writing their own history, so as to always portray themselves and fellow moslems as victims, or as innocents, or as virtuous human beings.

Yeah gandalf, moslems were so, so, tolerant of homosexuals, in that age when moslem moslems ruled teh world.

Honest!!!! Tongue

Yadda wrote on Jun 7^th, 2014 at 7:00pm:

Moslems are liars,

.....who make up stuff, who always change and embellish their moslem 'narratives', so as to give moslems a tactical advantage in today's circumstances.

Which is evidenced again, and again, and again, and again, and again, in differing moslem 'narratives'.
.....about the narrative of inerrant Koran, about the narrative of the Jewish people, about the narrative of those moslems Abraham, Moses, David, Solomon, Jesus, etc.

"Lets make up a story which supports our Jihad against the infidels.

Lets TELL RIGHTEOUS LIES, to help us defeat the evil infidels."

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Re: The "core tenets" of Islam
Reply #196 - Jun 14^th, 2014 at 12:44pm

Karnal wrote on Jun 13^th, 2014 at 12:46pm:

Yadda wrote on Jun 13^th, 2014 at 11:51am:

k,

I have proposed that ISLAM, is a philosophy which encourages lawlessness and criminality [by our Australian laws].

What is my error ?

Here's your second error, Y - that Islam compels Muslims to kill infidels. etc, etc, etc......

k, you are spreading moslem propaganda and lies - 'ISLAM promotes tolerance of those who are not moslems.'

THE TRUTH;
ISLAM does require moslems to kill infidels who resist the spread of Allah's perfect religion - ISLAM.

+++iFROM THE LIPS OF MOSLEMS....

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May 20, 2014
KUALA LUMPUR: The concept of “moderate Muslim” was invented by “enemies of Islam”

.....Suriani Sudi, the deputy chief of the group’s women’s wing, urged Muslims to be uncompromising when defending their religion.

Suriani, also a lecturer at Kolej Universiti Islam Antarabangsa Selangor, said it is unfair to label Muslims who are simply defending their religion as “extremists.”

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/05/malaysia-muslim-leader-says-term-moderate-musl...iFROM THE LIPS OF MOSLEMS....

Quote:

Western policies are to blame, says Livingstone
By Andrew Sparrow, Political Correspondent
20/07/2005
Ken Livingstone yesterday blamed western policies for contributing to the spread of the extremist beliefs that inspired the London bombers.
......In a separate move, Anjem Choudary, the UK leader of the militant Islamist group al-Muhajiroun, interviewed for BBC Radio 4's Today programme said.....
"The British Government wants to...........divide the Muslim community into moderates and extremists, whereas this classification doesn't exist in Islam," he said.

"Either you are a practising Muslim or a non-practising one....."

Google;
ANJEM "Either you are a practising Muslim or a non-practising one"

FROM THE LIPS OF MOSLEMS....

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"Don’t call me radical. Don’t call me moderate. Call me Muslim."
.....We do not have “radical” and “moderate” in Islam. Muslims are Muslims.
.....Unfortunately those who follow the Quran and practise their religion are called radical Muslims or extremist or Islamist or fundamentalist. And those who only carry the name of Muslim and Islam without following the orders of Allah in the Holy Quran are called moderate Muslims or understanding Muslims or open minded Muslims!

google

FROM THE LIPS OF MOSLEMS....

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Cleric preaches that violence is part of Islam
By Duncan Gardham
01/05/2007
In documents seen by The Daily Telegraph, al-Muhajiroun claimed: "Terrorism is a part of Islam" and "Allah made it obligatory to prepare and to terrify the enemy of Allah".

The article advised: "The kuffar of USA and UK are without doubt our enemy.There is no such thing as an innocent kafir, innocence is only applicable for the Muslims. Not only is it obligatory to fight them, it is haram [forbidden] to feel sorry for them."

google

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In 2010 an ISLAMIC 'Khilafah' conference [with moslems speakers drawn from around the world and locally] was held in Melbourne.

The focus and purpose of that conference was to seek and explore how they, moslems [everywhere], could facilitate the re-emergence of a worldwide ISLAMIC Caliphate.

And in a YouTube promotion for the 'Khilafah' conference, self declared 'REAL' moslems [item below] are speaking out against, and are criticising secular ['Westernised'] moslems ['moslem impersonators' like gandalf, i would guess ???].

And these 'REAL' moslems are claiming that secular ['Westernised'] moslems are really, perverting and misrepresenting the purity what ISLAM really is!

Listen to these 'REAL' moslems who [who are living among us in Australia, and] are speaking articulately against;
[goto 1m 14s]
"...a new brand of ISLAM whose values are derived not from the Koran and the Sunna, but from the whims and desires of mankind."

[goto 1m 27s]
"...and a moderate, secular, version of ISLAM that 'sits' comfortably within [the] 'Western designs', for the moslem world."

[goto 1m 37s]
"...so the moslems are increasingly expected to choose between this Westernised ISLAM.....and the ISLAM that our Prophet pbuh brought to us....1,400 years ago, as a mercy to all of mankind."

[goto 1m 53s]
"...and so, moslems in the West, have to question, do we, and can we integrate, or would integration, entail compromise with some of our key ISLAMIC principles ?"

watch it....
Muslim group criticises Australia

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1evjaYkdnQ

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 96417	Re: The "core tenets" of Islam Reply #197 - Jun 14^th, 2014 at 1:23pm Your quotes have just disproven your argument, Y. You’ve posted part of a debate within the Muslim community about assimilating in non-Muslim.countries. How would such a debate be possible if they were all lying about assimilating and pretending not to behead infidels?
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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 40769 Gender:	Re: The "core tenets" of Islam Reply #198 - Jun 14^th, 2014 at 1:29pm sane people will not wait till 100% of a cult agree to march down the streets to overthrow a good society. a good society will ban that cult well before that stage
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Re: The "core tenets" of Islam
Reply #199 - Jun 14^th, 2014 at 1:36pm

Karnal wrote on Jun 14^th, 2014 at 1:23pm:

Your quotes have just disproven your argument, Y. You’ve posted part of a debate within the Muslim community about assimilating in non-Muslim.countries.

How would such a debate be possible if they were all lying about assimilating and pretending not to behead infidels?

LIES.

The moslems were declaring that a real moslem SHOULD NOT ASSIMILATE into a non-moslem society/country.
...because that would compromise the faith of the moslem.

TRUTH.....

In 2010 an ISLAMIC 'Khilafah' conference [with moslems speakers drawn from around the world and locally] was held in Melbourne.

The focus and purpose of that conference was to seek and explore how they, moslems [everywhere], could facilitate the re-emergence of a worldwide ISLAMIC Caliphate.

And in a YouTube promotion for the 'Khilafah' conference, moslems in Australia, can be seen to be promoting the real ISLAM,
.....and promoting the 'righteous' enmity of the moslem in Australia, towards Australia and Australians....

"...a brand of ISLAM whose values ARE NOT derived from the Koran and the sunnah..."
goto 2m 45s

"...do we and can we intergrate [with a non-moslem society] ?
....or will integration entail compromise [with] some of our key ISLAMIC principles???..."
goto 3m 25s

WRONG YT
Please watch this YT...

Muslim group criticises Australia

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1evjaYkdnQ

CORRECTED LINK TO YT

Please watch this YT...

The Struggle for Islam in the West | Trailer: Khilafah Conference 2010; Hizb ut-Tahrir Australia

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5RtutmDLVU

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Re: The "core tenets" of Islam
Reply #200 - Jun 14^th, 2014 at 1:37pm

Hi Sprint. Care to answer the question?

Karnal wrote on Jun 14^th, 2014 at 12:27am:

Yes, and we’ve already been shown exactly where the Koran instructs against imposing laws on non-Muslim countries, chapter and verse.

Still, here you are telling Aussie to change its laws. Which religion are you from, Sprint?

Sorry - don’t answer that. Can I ask which country you’re from instead? Or should I start a new thread to ask this?

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Re: The "core tenets" of Islam
Reply #201 - Jun 14^th, 2014 at 1:56pm

BlindFreddy wrote: Quote:

And what, exactly, is a "true" muslim? While we're at it, what is a "true" Christian? It sounds like you're going for the no true Scotsman fallacy.

I thought I'd already given my perception of a true muslim, when I wrote:

It seems pretty clear to me, there are two sets of core tenets in islam.

First you have the number one muslim, he is assured a place in the big brothel in the sky, being a true muslim his core tenets of islam are:

The filth and perversion of the commands of allah, the teachings of muhammad, the verses in the qur'an and hadi'th, which define his divine right to thieve, tell lies, engage in sexual depravity, mass murder, torture, rape beheading etc. etc. These are the noble tasks for true muslim believers.

SO it appears he's the true muslim who literally follows the teachings to slay and be slain, till all religion is for allah, he is the one assured a place in allah's big brothel in the sky, with all those big breasted houri's, laying back on their couches, waiting for the true muslims to die and front up to that famous islamic bordello in the sky. (just going on what the qur'an actually says, you know)

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 96417	Re: The "core tenets" of Islam Reply #202 - Jun 14^th, 2014 at 2:33pm Me too, Moses. You’ve provided us with the true version of Islam, as espoused by all the Muslim scholars you’ve studied, all the texts you’ve read, and all the discussions you’ve had with Muslims. Case closed, innit.
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moses Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6353	Re: The "core tenets" of Islam Reply #203 - Jun 14^th, 2014 at 2:52pm The facts in 2014 seem to indicate the case is closed. However the lies and deceit of a priori knowledge of islam, keeps trying to tell us otherwise.
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Re: The "core tenets" of Islam
Reply #204 - Jun 14^th, 2014 at 3:04pm

freediver wrote on Jun 14^th, 2014 at 11:28am:

So why do you keep disowning it?

Not disowning it - just another one of your fabrications. I'm happy to "own" it - but just pointing out it wasn't invented by me, which is the usual charge against me.

Anyway, thats not the issue here. The issue here is you taking my argument that The Prophet's ruling on those that did "as Lot's people did" may not necessarily be a ruling against homosexuality per se - and pretending I said it was a statement about gay pride. How stupid can you get?

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #205 - Jun 14^th, 2014 at 4:13pm

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Anyway, thats not the issue here.

I'd like to figure out whether you actually believe the crap you are spouting.

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The issue here is you taking my argument that The Prophet's ruling on those that did "as Lot's people did" may not necessarily be a ruling against homosexuality per se

There you go disowning it again, per se.

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People who can't distinguish between etymology and entomology bug me in ways I cannot put into words.

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: The "core tenets" of Islam Reply #206 - Jun 14^th, 2014 at 4:33pm freediver wrote on Jun 14^th, 2014 at 4:13pm: There you go disowning it again, How so? In any case, just so long as we can agree you were completely full of crap claiming my argument was to claim Muhammad was making a statement in favour of gay pride.
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49371 At my desk.	Re: The "core tenets" of Islam Reply #207 - Jun 14^th, 2014 at 4:55pm This is what it looks like when someone doesn't want to own the BS they are spinning. Quote: may not necessarily be Are you ashamed to parrot this crap?
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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 96417	Re: The "core tenets" of Islam Reply #208 - Jun 14^th, 2014 at 6:07pm And so it goes, back to the dumb slurs and interrogations. Freeedom, innit.
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Re: The "core tenets" of Islam
Reply #209 - Jun 14^th, 2014 at 6:31pm

freediver wrote on Jun 14^th, 2014 at 4:55pm:

This is what it looks like when someone doesn't want to own the BS they are spinning.

Or it could be someone merely arguing the same point they've been arguing all along.

I'm quite happy to "own" the argument that The Prophet's ruling there may not necessarily be a ruling against homosexuality per se - like I've been saying all along. Exactly what did you think I was disowning FD?

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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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