Mattywisk wrote on Jun 9^th, 2014 at 4:14pm:


Ah yes, but we Muslims must pretend to be pretend Muslims, isn’t it? It is our jihad.

Google: Taqiyya.

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freediver wrote on Jun 9^th, 2014 at 5:13pm:


Of course there is. Everything about islam is absolute.

freediver wrote on Jun 9^th, 2014 at 5:13pm:


I should clarify by "human values" I mean human moral values.

All universal human moral values come from my religion as far as I'm concerned. Obviously. For a religious person to say differently makes absolutely no sense.

freediver wrote on Jun 9^th, 2014 at 5:13pm:


If you are talking about islamic doctrine, its far easier to ask where islam doesn't make acceptance and human rights core tenets. They are everywhere - its kinda why they are considered "core tenets" 

freediver wrote on Jun 9^th, 2014 at 5:55pm:


no contradiction - islam vs what individual muslims believe to be islam.

You've made this same mistake before.

freediver wrote on Jun 9^th, 2014 at 5:55pm:


no need - its all of them.

freediver wrote on Jun 9^th, 2014 at 5:55pm:


nonsense. As I said, the idea that a religious person could conceive of the possibility that not all universal moral values originate from their religion is nonsensical.

freediver wrote on Jun 9^th, 2014 at 5:55pm:


All of them.

LOL I am enjoying the tap dancing.

polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 9^th, 2014 at 6:42pm:


So you're a Sunni Muslim then.

An imam (Arabic: إمام‎ imām, plural: أئمة aʼimmah; Persian: امام‎) is an Islamic leadership position. It is most commonly in the context of a worship leader of a mosque and Muslim community by Sunni Muslims. In this context, Imams may lead Islamic worship services, serve as community leaders, and provide religious guidance. For Shi'a Muslims, the Imam has a more central meaning and role in Islam through the concept of Imamah. Imam may also be used in the form of a title for renowned Muslim scholars.

The Sunni branch of Islam does not have imams in the same sense as the Shi'a, an important distinction often overlooked by those outside of the Islamic faith. In every day terms, the imam for Sunni Muslims is the one who leads Islamic formal (Fard) prayers, even in locations besides the mosque, whenever prayers are done in a group of two or more with one person leading (imam) and the others following by copying his ritual actions of worship. Friday sermon is most often given by an appointed imam. All mosques have an imam to lead the (congregational) prayers, even though it may sometimes just be a member from the gathered congregation rather than an officially appointed salaried person. Women can not lead prayers, except amongst female-only congregations; these are often the wives of imams (see Nusi)). The person that should be chosen according to Hadith is one who has most knowledge of the Qu'ran and is of good character, the age is immaterial.[citation needed]

The term is also used for a recognized religious scholar or authority in Islam, often for the founding scholars of the four Sunni madhhabs, or schools of jurisprudence (fiqh). It may also refer to the Muslim scholars who created the analytical sciences related to Hadith or it may refer to the heads of the Prophet Muhammad's family in their generational times.[citation needed]

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Were Abu and Falah mistaken in what they believe to be Islam?

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Would you say that equality before the law, regardless of sex, religion or race, is a core tenet of Islam? What about tolerance of homsexuality?

freediver wrote on Jun 9^th, 2014 at 6:53pm:


I don't know much about what they believe to be islam.

freediver wrote on Jun 9^th, 2014 at 6:53pm:


Like I said - *ALL* universal moral values.

Is Imam Gandalf ashamed to say he is a Sunni muslim ?