Yadda wrote on Jun 14^th, 2014 at 2:53pm:


Oh, they come out of the Koran alright - just as the call to kill gentiles and stone hommersexuals comes from the Old Testament - your "law".

And yet, here you are not stoning hommersexuals.

Why is that, Y?

Be careful what you say though. FD wants to ban people with beliefs like these from living in Australia.

polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 14^th, 2014 at 3:21pm:


Censorship, eh? Google: Taqqiya.

While you’re at it, G, you should ban that silly theme-park replica of the ten commandments.

One of the silliest myths of all time is that Gud handed them over to Moses on real stone tablets from a real burning bush.

And yet, the fundamentalists will have us believe we have to take this literally because it’s in the Bible.

Google: believe the unequivocal word of Gud or go to hell.

I agree, M. Christians follow the New Testament rather than the Old.

Except Y.

If I’m not mistaken, Muslims follow the Old Testament too. I believe there’s even passages in the Koran about this.

Muslims believe that the teachings of Muhammed are interpretable. This is why they have all these imams you’ve studied - they interpret the Koran for daily use.

The problem today is that people without educations believe they are as entitled to interpret the words of Muhammed themselves, and hence you get fundamentalism and soldiers beheading those who did what Lot did.

With all your knowledge of the Koran though, you’d never fall for that.

Aussie wrote on Jun 14^th, 2014 at 4:04pm:


Cunning, no?

Karnal wrote: Quote:


You're learning fast karnal, nice bit of a priori knowledge in  islamic beliefs from you there.

Now the fact is you did not give one verse in the qur'an which ends those commands / laws / teachings of islam which are completely barbaric and degenerate instructions.

With regard to your **teachings of Muhammed are interpretable**

Find me one muslim who disagrees with the following universal tenet of islam:

A fundamental islamic belief that muhammad was the last and final prophet and messenger of allah, after whom there can be no prophet or messenger.

A distinguished apostle in every aspect was none other than saidina muhammad .He was sent to be sent to the world as the last prophet, the final one, after whom no other messenger was to be sent again by allah. This is the reason why he was granted a shari'ah or the law that was perfect and final requiring no revision in the days to come.

For the teaching of the last prophet were to be everbinding, to remain unchanged to the end of time, he was sent as a acme of perfection with over-flowing guidance and resplendent light. There can be no revision of the qur'an.

E.G. muhammad was the final prophet, his teachings were perfect, they remain unchanged till the end of time, the qur'an cannot be revised or changed.

So the depraved muslim killer, rapist, torturer etc. is the one true muslim, following the perfect, unchanged qur'an and teachings of muhammad

Right again, M. I believe Muhammed, pbuh, is believed to be the final prophet, and that this is a universal belief among Muslims.

Personally, I think this is a ludicrous claim.

I think the physical second coming of Christ is a ludicrous claim too, but that’s just me - how could I ever know?

I think the second coming of Christ refers to your own enlightenment. I don’t think it’s meant to be an historical event.

Muslims, however, do not believe Muhammed was the final messenger of God. Apparently the Koran talks about other messengers and other prophets. These messengers are too numerous to mention, but some Muslims follow them. I’ve met Muslim yogis and Muslims following gurus in the Hindu/Vedic tradition. India has a long history of Muslim saints and gurus, and the ones I’ve met don’t believe their religion prevents them from following other spiritual traditions. They even recite Sanskrit mantras and prayers. Some spend their time meditating in the Himalayas - I’m reading a book by a Muslim yogi right now.

Now, I don’t know if this is forbidden in Islam or not. Muslims, however, do follow other teachers and messengers outside the Islamic tradition.

Did he go round berating the ignorant locals for criticising the British without getting all their facts straight first?

Sounds like the facts were irrelevant to him too.