moses wrote on Jun 15^th, 2014 at 10:31am:


This thread is about me,. Stop changing the subject.

We are indeed in for a bloodbath in the Middle East. As George Bush said, demokracy can be a messy business, and as the leader of the Freee world, he should know. Someone recently compared the current situation in Iraq and Syria to the 30 years war in Europe, a 17th century conflict that errupted between Catholic and Protestant states.

I hope you don’t apologize for that.

Karnal wrote on Jun 15^th, 2014 at 1:31pm:



Awe you're so funny 

Gud is great, no?

He makes snackbars 

freediver wrote on Jun 15^th, 2014 at 2:10pm:


Now why don’t you tell me exactly what you want me to clarify, FD? I can then sign off on it and we can take it from there.

Alternatively, you can type up the confession in another language and get me to sign that.

No worries.

Are you cranky about something, FD? You seem a little - unsettled.

FD, if you want to learn about truth, love and soul-force, I invite you to Google Gandhiji’s notion of Satyagraha, or "truth force".

This is the correct, apologist-approved version of criticism in this thread from here on, so please read up on it.

If you want to have a debate, I pose this: how different would India be if Gandhi merely organised a conventional Hindu-nationalist resistance movement against the British - the sort of independence movement all the other upper-crust Hindus wanted at the time?

No passive resistance, no civil disobedience, no coalition with Muslims, no "appeasement" of British officers and concessions to the British Crown. No mass demonstrations of self-sacrifice. No sitting in jails and fasting close to death.

In my view? Absolutely the same. The Muslims partitioned, The British went anyway. And those Gandhi helped to rise to power, like Nehru, went completely against Gandhi’s ideas for development, inevitably turning India into the polluted, urban-sprawled, industrialized (but, in some parts, technologically savvy) country it is today.

But where would we apologists be?

Without real-life examples like Gandhiji and Nelson Mandella, we’d all be on this board posting pictures of decapitated human heads and telling fibs about people we don’t like.

Satyagraha. It didn’t do Gandhi much good in the end, but we apologists wouldn’t be trying to censor your Freeedom without it.

freediver wrote on Jun 15^th, 2014 at 5:04pm:


I have no idea -he wrote about the beatings himself.

And you didn’t answer my question.

Google: Taqqiya.

freediver wrote on Jun 15^th, 2014 at 5:24pm:


You can read them in his book; an Autobiography: the Story of My Experiments with Truth.

This is what you claimed about Gandhi:

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Was this based on the facts, or the truth that is within you?