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Murdered in name of family honour
Chris McGreal in Ramallah reports on a rise in killings of Palestinian women

Faten Habash's father wept as he assured his daughter there would be no more beatings, no more threats to her life and that she was free to marry the man she loved, even if he was a Muslim. All he asked was that Faten return home.

Hassan Habash even gave his word to an emissary from a Bedouin tribe traditionally brought in to mediate in matters of family honour, a commitment regarded as sacrosanct in Palestinian society. But the next weekend, as Faten watched a Boy Scouts parade from the balcony of her Ramallah home, the 22-year-old Christian Palestinian was dragged into the living room and bludgeoned to death with an iron bar. Her father was arrested for the murder.

"He gave me his word she would not be harmed," said Ibrahim Abu Dahouq, the Bedouin mediator. "He was crying and begging her to come home. They were even telling me that for their daughter to leave their house as a bride would be an honour for them. We never believed that love would lead to death in this ugly way."

Two days later, another ritual of killing unfolded a few miles away in Jerusalem.

Maher Shakirat summoned three of his sisters to discuss a family uproar after one of them, Rudaina, was thrown out by her husband for an alleged affair. Maher listened to Rudaina's denials, and her sisters' pleas that they were not covering up the affair. Then he forced the three women to drink bleach before strangling Rudaina, who was eight months pregnant. The other sisters tried to flee but Maher caught and strangled Amani, 20. The third, Leila, escaped but was badly injured by the bleach.

Maher, a bus driver in his 30s, is in hiding but his parents were arrested for allegedly ordering the murders and his wife was detained as an accomplice. As he was taken into custody, Rudaina's father, Amin, was asked why his daughters were killed. "Because they dishonoured the family," he said. "A married woman who goes with another man isn't good."

The murders of Faten Habash and the Shakirat sisters last month were the latest in a series of brutal "honour killings" that have shaken the Palestinian community over recent weeks. The deaths have prompted demands for a change to laws inherited from the days of Jordanian rule that deem all women to be "minors" under the authority of male relatives and that provide a maximum of six months in prison for killings in defence of "family honour."

But those calls have met with resistance in parliament where religious Palestinian MPs argue that reform will lead to a collapse in the moral fabric of society. According to the Palestinian women's affairs ministry, 20 girls and women were murdered in honour killings last year and about 50 committed suicide - often under coercion - for "shaming" the family through sex outside marriage, refusing an arranged marriage or seeking a divorce. Another 15 women survived attempts to kill them.

The ministry says that dozens of other killings are covered up each year. "We had one woman of 26 who was certified as dying of old age," said Maha Abu Dayyeh Shamas, director of the Women's Centre for Legal Aid and Counselling. "Putting 'falling into well' on the death certificate is very common. We find that the women were strangled and then dumped in the well."

Faten Habash's murder was unusual because she came from the Christian minority in the Palestinian territories. Her desire to marry a young Muslim, Samer Hamis, so infuriated her family that the couple decided to elope to Jordan.

Faten's father enlisted the family priest to stop his daughter on the grounds that, even though she was 22, all women are legally regarded as minors under the authority of their male relatives. The Palestinian authorities returned Faten to her home where she was beaten and her pelvis broken as she was either thrown from a window or jumped trying to escape. She spent six weeks in hospital. She sought protection under an ancient Bedouin formula for resolving disputes, known as Tanebeh. Abu Dahouq, a lawyer for the Dawakuk tribe, negotiated with the Habash family.

Mr Dahouq said: "Faten believed she had received a guarantee of security." Two days later she was murdered. "This family had no honour, no manners, no ethics," he said. "And the girl was as honourable as could be. All she wanted to do was marry this man she loved. I think the people in her church also have responsibility for this killing. They told this family that their daughter brought shame, so that makes them part of the crime."

The family priest, Father Ibrahim Hijazin, declined to talk about Faten's killing other than to say he called the Palestinian authorities to prevent her from reaching Jordan. But he says other families would have reacted as hers did. "There is no interfaith marriage among Arabs. Catholics here are Christian by faith and Muslim by culture, and in this community it is forbidden for Christians to marry Muslims. It's not good. It's a tribal mentality. I don't accept it, but it is the culture," he said.

After Faten's murder, several hundred Palestinian women held a vigil in Ramallah to demand an end to honour killings...

[http://www.theguardian.com/world/2005/jun/23/israel]

I thought only Muslims engaged in so-called "honour killings"?  Have I been misled?
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Reply #1 - Jun 17th, 2014 at 2:14pm
 
More Christian, so-called "Honour Killings":

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Christian “honour” killings are on the rise and it’s the men who are to blame yet again.
Posted on 28 September 2012      by harebell

More killings by insecure, violent, deranged, religious men.

First a family slain by a father who couldn’t take it that someone he did not vote for might remain president. If he was worried then why didn’t he just top himself? That would have been too easy and not played to his vanity; he decided that the future was too gloomy for his boys and wife too so it would be up to the paterfamilias to take action.

Then in Canada another christian idiot decides that his imaginary friend has informed him his girlfriend is pregnant and is planning an abortion; so he beats her to death and stabs bible pages to her chest. Oh and he then blames his imaginary friend for letting him do it…. He must have forgotten the nuanced and sophisticated argumentation that excuses god from actually doing stuff.

Religious expression allows folk to make excuses for any action because it, by necessity precludes any requirement for the practitioner to remain in reality. That’s why it is inherently dangerous.

[http://harebell.wordpress.com/2012/09/28/christian-honour-killings-are-on-the-rise-and-its-the-men-who-are-to-blame-yet-again/]

So, where is the outrage from the apologists for Christianity?  You know, the ones who tell us only Muslims commit so-called "honour killings"?

Funny how they are silent, isn't it?   Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #2 - Jun 17th, 2014 at 3:14pm
 
They’re not Muslim honour killings.

Moderator, kindly move this thread to the Spirituality forum, please.
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Reply #3 - Jun 17th, 2014 at 3:29pm
 

ANy religion is no excuse for murder
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Reply #4 - Jun 17th, 2014 at 3:36pm
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 17th, 2014 at 3:29pm:
ANy religion is no excuse for murder


So, where is the outrage against Christian so-called "honour" killings, SC?

Written off in one short sentence?

Appears stupendously absent, now doesn't it?   Shocked Shocked Shocked
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|dev|null wrote on Jun 17th, 2014 at 3:36pm:
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 17th, 2014 at 3:29pm:
ANy religion is no excuse for murder


So, where is the outrage against Christian so-called "honour" killings, SC?

Written off in one short sentence?

Appears stupendously absent, now doesn't it?   Shocked Shocked Shocked


Don't be ridiculous. When Sprint says religion is no excuse for honour killings, he means that there is no justification for honour killings in the Bible. Everybody knows that.

When the Muslims do it, however, they're obeying the words of their evil paedophile prophet. Read the Koran, it's all there.

Ask Sprint for the appropriate verses.
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Reply #6 - Jun 17th, 2014 at 4:15pm
 
He appears to be an apologist for Christianity's so-called "Honour" Killings.

So, where are the other Christian apologists?  Hiding?  Doesn't that constitute apologism in and of itself?   Grin Grin Grin
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|dev|null wrote on Jun 17th, 2014 at 4:15pm:
He appears to be an apologist for Christianity's so-called "Honour" Killings.

So, where are the other Christian apologists?  Hiding?  Doesn't that constitute apologism in and of itself?   Grin Grin Grin


What total rubbish. Why should they be diverted from exposing the honour killings of Muslims?

Are you calling for censorship?

Please explain.
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Reply #8 - Jun 17th, 2014 at 4:55pm
 
Karnal wrote on Jun 17th, 2014 at 4:36pm:
|dev|null wrote on Jun 17th, 2014 at 4:15pm:
He appears to be an apologist for Christianity's so-called "Honour" Killings.

So, where are the other Christian apologists?  Hiding?  Doesn't that constitute apologism in and of itself?   Grin Grin Grin


What total rubbish. Why should they be diverted from exposing the honour killings of Muslims?

Are you calling for censorship?

Please explain.


Do the crime, get the equal time!   Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #9 - Jun 17th, 2014 at 4:58pm
 
|dev|null wrote on Jun 17th, 2014 at 4:55pm:
Do the crime, get the equal time!   Grin Grin Grin Grin


Why on earth would anyone believe that? These are Muslims we're talking about here.
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Reply #10 - Jun 17th, 2014 at 5:16pm
 
You can tell the apologists, as soon as attention is drawn to atrocities committed in the name of their religion their immediate action is to draw attention elsewhere, anywhere. 

For a good example and lessons in how to, check out Karnals a work.  It is monotonous and there is mountains of it, but it demonstrates dedication to distraction.

Watch and learn little apologist,  it is everything you aspire to be. 
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Datalife wrote on Jun 17th, 2014 at 5:16pm:
You can tell the apologists, as soon as attention is drawn to atrocities committed in the name of their religion their immediate action is to draw attention elsewhere, anywhere. 

For a good example and lessons in how to, check out Karnals a work.  It is monotonous and there is mountains of it, but it demonstrates dedication to distraction.

Watch and learn little apologist,  it is everything you aspire to be. 



Its amusing watching you DL.  Everytime you feel pressed on one thing you sneak off and try and flank a person with an attack on a completely different topic.

This topic is about Christianity's so-called "Honour" Killings.  You've often asked that separate, comparable threads be created about the antics of Christians and here is one and you're criticising it!  Weird and amusing.  You're given what you wanted and you still criticise it.

So, do you condemn Christianity's so-called "Honour" Killings, DL or will we put you down as another apologist?   Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
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|dev|null wrote on Jun 17th, 2014 at 5:22pm:
So, do you condemn Christianity's so-called "Honour" Killings, DL or will we put you down as another apologist?   Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin


I am an equal opportunity hater, I condemn all acts of buggerbuggery committed in the name of sky pixies.  You won't see distractions, diversions, red herrings or fingers pointing the other way from me.

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You've often asked that separate, comparable threads be created about the antics of Christians and here is one and you're criticising it! 


I have?  You should be able to find and post a few examples then.  And I am not criticising the thread, I applaud it, at last no excuse for yourself and Karnal to run interference in the ones dedicated atrocities in the name of the religion of peace.

You can post all your acts of  buggerbuggery in the name of jebus  here.   Or will the apologist continue to run interference for Big Mo?  I am betting they will, long term habits of apology, flexible outrage and moral relativism are hard to break.
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Reply #13 - Jun 17th, 2014 at 5:51pm
 
Datalife wrote on Jun 17th, 2014 at 5:16pm:
You can tell the apologists, as soon as attention is drawn to atrocities committed in the name of their religion their immediate action is to draw attention elsewhere, anywhere. 

For a good example and lessons in how to, check out Karnals a work.  It is monotonous and there is mountains of it, but it demonstrates dedication to distraction.

Watch and learn little apologist,  it is everything you aspire to be. 


Excuse me, I happen to be an equal-opportunity apologist. I'm trying to steer a ridiculous thread on Christian honour killings back to Islam - just as any decent, Freeedom-loving member of this board would.

If you didn't come here and derail things with your pointless talk of apologism, I'd be making a lot more progress. 

Sadly, it's thanks to people like you this country's in the mess it's in.
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Reply #14 - Jun 17th, 2014 at 5:54pm
 
|dev|null wrote on Jun 17th, 2014 at 5:22pm:
Datalife wrote on Jun 17th, 2014 at 5:16pm:
You can tell the apologists, as soon as attention is drawn to atrocities committed in the name of their religion their immediate action is to draw attention elsewhere, anywhere. 

For a good example and lessons in how to, check out Karnals a work.  It is monotonous and there is mountains of it, but it demonstrates dedication to distraction.

Watch and learn little apologist,  it is everything you aspire to be. 



Its amusing watching you DL.  Everytime you feel pressed on one thing you sneak off and try and flank a person with an attack on a completely different topic.


Exactly. If DL wants to discuss apologism, he's free to do so in the apologism thread.

Mind you, all he wants to talk about in the apologism thread is Islam.

Typical.

Datalife wrote on Jun 17th, 2014 at 5:40pm:
You won't see distractions, diversions, red herrings or fingers pointing the other way from me.


Will you confess your lie now, or do you want us to chase you around for 5 pages?
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