Australian Politics Forum - Christian Honour Killings

Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95898 Gender:	Re: Christian Honour Killings Reply #60 - Jun 18^th, 2014 at 8:02pm Mattywisk wrote on Jun 18^th, 2014 at 7:17pm: Angry little man ain't ya Yeah. Angry with Bible-bashing softcock apologists like you. We had a good country once. Multicultural powder puffs from your side gave it away to the towel-heads long ago. If you’re not angry, you’re responsible.
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Mattywisk Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1373 Gender:	Re: Christian Honour Killings Reply #61 - Jun 18^th, 2014 at 8:11pm Oh petal are you still upset, take a deep breath.
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Reply #62 - Jun 18^th, 2014 at 8:13pm

@ Karnal

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People of all persuasions (religious, pagan, agnostic, atheist) commit murder.

What the muslim apologists are trying to do is hide the truth about the teachings of Christ, verses the teachings of muhammad.

So what did each of them have to say regarding revenge / honour killings of women?

From the New Testament and the Word of Christ:
John 8:3 And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst,
John 8:4 They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act.
John 8:5 Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou?
Joh 8:6 This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not.
John 8:7 So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her

Christ did not preach honour killing of women, He preached forgiveness and compassion.

Then we have from the qur'an and the teachings of muhammad:
qur’an 4:15 “If any of your women are guilty of lewdness, take the evidence of four witnesses from amongst you against them; if they testify, confine them to houses until death [by starvation] claims them.”

muhammad and the quran say to kill them

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Yeah? Two can play the apology game.

A priest's daughter who loses her honor by committing fornication and thereby dishonors her father also, shall be burned to death. (Leviticus 21:9 NAB)

If a man commits adultery with another man's wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death. (Leviticus 20:10 NLT)

But if this charge is true (that she wasn't a virgin on her wedding night), and evidence of the girls virginity is not found, they shall bring the girl to the entrance of her fathers house and there her townsman shall stone her to death, because she committed a crime against Israel by her unchasteness in her father's house. Thus shall you purge the evil from your midst. (Deuteronomy 22:20-21 NAB)

Cursed be he who does the Lords work remissly, cursed he who holds back his sword from blood. (Jeremiah 48:10 NAB)

Is honesty simply not part of the muslim apologist's tool kit Karnal?

Why are you dishonestly quoting the Old Testament?

My statement was a comparison of the teachings of Jesus versus the teachings of muhammad, why are you trying to dodge the issue by referring to O.T.?

Since you are so dishonest, once again for your benefit:

Luke 16:16 The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached , and every man presseth into it.

Rom 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

Rom 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

Gal 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

Gal 3:11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.

So I'll state again:

Christ did not preach honour killing of women, He preached forgiveness and compassion.

muhammad and the quran say to kill them

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Mattywisk Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1373 Gender:	Re: Christian Honour Killings Reply #63 - Jun 18^th, 2014 at 8:15pm Pretend muslims aren't that smart, just like real ones who are embarrassed with the made up quaran and its teachings. They have no idea how to understand their own teachings let alone anyone elses.
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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95898 Gender:	Re: Christian Honour Killings Reply #64 - Jun 18^th, 2014 at 9:07pm Tell us why you’re called Moses, Moses. Where did that name come from? And stop filling up pages with bullsh!t Bible quotes no one’s gonna read.
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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: Christian Honour Killings Reply #65 - Jun 19^th, 2014 at 8:17am give him a break K, moses is taking a well earned break from cracking hilarious jokes about Muhammad.
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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95898 Gender:	Re: Christian Honour Killings Reply #66 - Jun 19^th, 2014 at 9:43am How spineless. Anyone who makes light of a murdering paedophile should be banned, IMO.
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Reply #67 - Jun 19^th, 2014 at 10:27am

King FriYAY II wrote on Jun 18^th, 2014 at 3:31pm:

|dev|null wrote on Jun 18^th, 2014 at 2:38pm:

So, where is your outrage against these Christians?

Oh, thats right it is only reserved for Muslims! Grin

Are you talking to yourself?

Ok i'm outraged that these christians murdered someone.

There, you ok now Tooley? Roll Eyes

That said murder is murder, Muslim Xtian athiest...

Shouldn't we be outraged about all murders?

Yes. So, you're not outraged by murders? Doesn't that contradict your earlier declaration? Grin

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Reply #68 - Jun 19^th, 2014 at 10:31am

Mattywisk wrote on Jun 18^th, 2014 at 7:07pm:

A pretend muslim quoting the old covenant as christianity. Grin

Doesn't even know what he is quoting Grin

I blame Islam too.

The Old Testament is still a part of fundamental Christian teachings. It forms more than half of the Christian holy book, the Bible. It is the teachings most often quoted by fundementalist Christians when justifying their atrocities. They claim they are Christians. They claim they are following their religious beliefs. Who are we to deny their beliefs in their religion? Who set you up as the arbiter of all matters Christianity and religion? Who gave you the authority to deny your fellow Christians? Well? Well?

Stop being an apologist for Christian crimes!!!! Stop making excuses for them!!!! Grin

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Reply #69 - Jun 19^th, 2014 at 4:51pm

At least Christians have a New Testament and the teachings of Christ, as an integral part of their doctrine.

Now to use the apologist excuse: **They claim they are Christians. They claim they are following their religious beliefs. Who are we to deny their beliefs in their religion? **

The real question is do muslim apologists believe that muslims who commit murder, rape and torture, who practice honour killings, who oppress and denigrate non muslims, are genuine muslims?

They believe they are muslims, they follow the commands of allah, they follow the teachings of muhammad, they follow to the letter the verses in the qur'an and hadi'th, which command them to commit atrocities in the name of islam.

So I take it that muslim apologists accept wholeheartedly these degenerate people as true and genuine muslims, after all there is no grey area, they have not stepped one inch outside of the doctrinal guidelines ordained for them by allah, muhammad. islam, qur'an

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Reply #70 - Jun 19^th, 2014 at 5:05pm

moses wrote on Jun 19^th, 2014 at 4:51pm:

At least Christians have a New Testament and the teachings of Christ, as an integral part of their doctrine.

So what? It's invariably ignored by those that commit atrocities so whats the point in having it?

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Now to use the apologist excuse: **They claim they are Christians. They claim they are following their religious beliefs. Who are we to deny their beliefs in their religion?

No excuse. You are the apologist who says, "Hey, these people aren't really Christians!" Religious belief is not binary, it can't be switched off or on. It's amorphous, like a fog, it covers everything a believer does. The Old Testament is a fundamental part of Christianity and you can't just disown it when it suits you. It is a part of your holy book, it is an extremely important part of your holy book and despite what you claim, the New Testament makes no sense without the Old in front of it! Grin

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The real question is do muslim apologists believe that muslims who commit murder, rape and torture, who practice honour killings, who oppress and denigrate non muslims, are genuine muslims?

Immaterial. We are discussing CHRISTIANS who commit so-called "Honour" Killings. They justify it often with religious teachings. Do they believe they are being real Christians when they commit these crimes? Yes, they do so no matter how much you deny them, they are still Christians!

Christian apologists though, instead of owning up to the inspirations for their fellow Christian criminals try and disown them at the first chance! Grin

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moses Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6353	Re: Christian Honour Killings Reply #71 - Jun 19^th, 2014 at 5:06pm So you won't answer the question?
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Reply #72 - Jun 19^th, 2014 at 5:55pm

Hot Breath wrote:
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Immaterial. We are discussing CHRISTIANS who commit so-called "Honour" Killings. They justify it often with religious teachings. Do they believe they are being real Christians when they commit these crimes? Yes, they do so no matter how much you deny them, they are still Christians!

Christian apologists though, instead of owning up to the inspirations for their fellow Christian criminals try and disown them at the first chance!

Factual evidence shows that these killers are indeed rejected for their actions .

As I see it the Word of Christ would be the final adjudicator on the validity of their claims to Christianity.

So what does Christian doctrine say?

Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

The Christian doctrine rejects workers of iniquity, seems pretty clear to me.

Unless you can show that you have greater authority than the Word of Christ in doctrinal matters, I'll go with the literal evidence of the N.T.

Oh by the way do you accept the muslim murderer, rapist, torturer as the true muslim?

He believes he is, the commands of allah, teachings of muhammad, verses in qur'an and islamic doctrine all say he is the true muslim.

What do you say?

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95898 Gender:	Re: Christian Honour Killings Reply #73 - Jun 19^th, 2014 at 6:52pm So why do they have priests at executions?
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\|dev\|null Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4434 Gender:	Re: Christian Honour Killings Reply #74 - Jun 20^th, 2014 at 9:24am moses wrote on Jun 19^th, 2014 at 5:06pm: So you won't answer the question? I did. What you don't like the answer? How unfortunate for you!
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