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Jun 19th, 2014 at 10:48pm
 
Islamic scholar (presumably knows the Koran by heart so cannot be challenged for not knowing Islam inside out) says Islam would not have survived without its 'kill the apostates' laws.


Should an Islamic scholar like this be ignored or dismissed? Or is he mainstream but uncomfortable when translated?

That must be a syndrome of severe discomfort - Muslim while translated. There should be a word for it.
Suggestions are invited.

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Reply #1 - Jun 19th, 2014 at 11:39pm
 
He makes a good point. FD , pbuh, says the same about Freeedom and apologists.

If I could understand Arabic, I’d blame Islam. Mind you, I blame Islam anyway, but that’s just me.

That’s the good thing about Freeedom - we’re all free to blame Islam here.
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Reply #2 - Jun 20th, 2014 at 12:28am
 
Soren wrote on Jun 19th, 2014 at 10:48pm:


Should an Islamic scholar like this be ignored or dismissed?




When you speak to the infidel, tell the infidel that Yusuf Al Qar is misrepresenting ISLAM.

ISLAM is peace.

Allah will make the infidel believe this!       Cheesy




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That is correct, isn't it gandalf ?

That when Allah is with him, nothing can withstand or overcome the moslem!

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31
 
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Reply #3 - Jun 20th, 2014 at 7:39am
 
Soren wrote on Jun 19th, 2014 at 10:48pm:
Islamic scholar (presumably knows the Koran by heart so cannot be challenged for not knowing Islam inside out) says Islam would not have survived without its 'kill the apostates' laws.


Should an Islamic scholar like this be ignored or dismissed? Or is he mainstream but uncomfortable when translated?

That must be a syndrome of severe discomfort - Muslim while translated. There should be a word for it.
Suggestions are invited.



Then how do you explain places like china, indonesia, malaysia, parts of africa, yemen, who where conquered by the muslims without killing apostates or by the sword?
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Reply #4 - Jun 20th, 2014 at 8:01am
 
wally1 wrote on Jun 20th, 2014 at 7:39am:
Soren wrote on Jun 19th, 2014 at 10:48pm:
Islamic scholar (presumably knows the Koran by heart so cannot be challenged for not knowing Islam inside out) says Islam would not have survived without its 'kill the apostates' laws.


Should an Islamic scholar like this be ignored or dismissed? Or is he mainstream but uncomfortable when translated?

That must be a syndrome of severe discomfort - Muslim while translated. There should be a word for it.
Suggestions are invited.





Then how do you explain places like china, indonesia, malaysia, parts of africa, yemen, who where conquered by the muslims without killing apostates or by the sword?





Explain it ?

What is to explain ?




Such an account is a false history, written by moslems,    ....praising the moslem and ISLAM.

as per....
'ISLAM is peace.'

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Reply #5 - Jun 20th, 2014 at 8:23am
 
Yes yadda false history.

Like the false stories that people in the west are converting to Islam. No sword used.
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Reply #6 - Jun 20th, 2014 at 8:26am
 
Islamic scholar (presumably knows the Koran by heart so cannot be challenged for not knowing Islam inside out) says
Islam forbids capital punishment for apostasy




Should an Islamic scholar like this be ignored or dismissed? Or is he mainstream but uncomfortable when translated?

That must be a syndrome of severe discomfort - Muslim while translated. There should be a word for it.
Suggestions are invited.
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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.
 
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Reply #7 - Jun 20th, 2014 at 8:37am
 

......... and other islamic 'scholars' say kill apostates.
in the koran it says kill.

one 'scholar' says NOT killing apostates is reducing those in islam. He infers kill apostates.

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Reply #8 - Jun 20th, 2014 at 9:51am
 
wally1 wrote on Jun 20th, 2014 at 7:39am:
Then how do you explain places like china, indonesia, malaysia, parts of africa, yemen, who where conquered by the muslims without killing apostates or by the sword?


Grin Grin Grin Grin

brumbie wrote on Jun 8th, 2014 at 6:09pm:
When one thinks of mass murder, Hitler comes to mind. If not Hitler, then Tojo, Stalin, or Mao. Credit is given to the 20th-century totalitarians as the worst species of tyranny to have ever arisen. However, the alarming truth is that Islam has killed more than any of these, and may surpass all of them combined in numbers and cruelty.
The enormity of the slaughters of the "religion of peace" are so far beyond comprehension that even honest historians overlook the scale. When one looks beyond our myopic focus, Islam is the greatest killing machine in the history of mankind, bar none.
     The Islamic conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history. -- Will Durant, as quoted on Daniel Pipes site.
Conservative estimates place the number at 80 million dead Indians.
     According to some calculations, the Indian (subcontinent) population decreased by 80 million between 1000 (conquest of Afghanistan) and 1525 (end of Delhi Sultanate). -- Koenrad Elst as quoted on Daniel Pipes site
80 Million?! The conquistadors' crimes pale into insignificance at that number. No wonder Hitler admired Islam as a fighting religion. He stood in awe of Islam, whose butchery even he did not surpass.
Over 110 Million Blacks were killed by Islam.
     ... a minumum of 28 Million African were enslaved in the Muslim Middle East.  Since, at least, 80 percent of those captured by Muslim slave traders were calculated to have died before reaching the slave market, it is believed that the death toll from 1400 years of Arab and Muslim slave raids into Africa could have been as high as 112 Millions.  When added to the number of those sold in the slave markets, the total number of African victims of the trans-Saharan and East African slave trade could be significantly higher than 140 Million people. -- John Allembillah Azumah, author of The Legacy of Arab-Islam in Africa: A Quest for Inter-religious Dialogue
Add just those two numbers alone together, and Islam has surpassed the victims of 20th-century totalitarianism. However, it does not end there. Add the millions who died at the hand of Muslims in the Sudan in our lifetime.
Much of Islamic slavery was sexual in nature, with a preference for women. Those men who were captured were castrated. The mulatto children of the women were often killed, which explains why Islam was not demographically shifted towards the black race, unlike slaves in the West, who bore children to breed a mestizo class. Add in those dead children; and we arrive at well over 200 million.

Pasted from <http://www.americanthinker.com/2014/05/the_greatest_murder_machine_in_history.ht...>

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Reply #9 - Jun 20th, 2014 at 10:45am
 
wally

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Then how do you explain places like china, indonesia, malaysia, parts of africa, yemen, who where conquered by the muslims without killing apostates or by the sword?



interesting you use the word 'conquered'  Why is that ?

there are few muslims in china, they are causing problems.
indonesia is known for its corruption and poverty.
'parts of africa' also known for their 3rd world status.
yemen ............ who immigrates to there ?

you give significant examples of the results of islam, thanks.
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Reply #10 - Jun 20th, 2014 at 11:07am
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 20th, 2014 at 8:37am:
and other islamic 'scholars' say kill apostates.
in the koran it says kill.


Quote please sprint.
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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.
 
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Reply #11 - Jun 20th, 2014 at 11:12am
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 20th, 2014 at 8:26am:
Islamic scholar (presumably knows the Koran by heart so cannot be challenged for not knowing Islam inside out) says
Islam forbids capital punishment for apostasy




Should an Islamic scholar like this be ignored or dismissed? Or is he mainstream but uncomfortable when translated?

That must be a syndrome of severe discomfort - Muslim while translated. There should be a word for it.
Suggestions are invited.


Did this one run his idea past Abu?
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Reply #12 - Jun 20th, 2014 at 11:29am
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 20th, 2014 at 8:26am:
Islamic scholar (presumably knows the Koran by heart so cannot be challenged for not knowing Islam inside out) says
Islam forbids capital punishment for apostasy




Should an Islamic scholar like this be ignored or dismissed? Or is he mainstream but uncomfortable when translated?

That must be a syndrome of severe discomfort - Muslim while translated. There should be a word for it.
Suggestions are invited.


The hadeeth is clear on death for apostasy,Mo said kill them, of course the Quran might be wishy washy on this.
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The Profit said-
If somebody ( a muslim) discards his religion,kill him.
sunnah.com/bukhari/56/226


13 Islamic countries have the death penalty for those who discard their Islamic religion,should we believe your cherry picked apologists who are in denial of reality or what the actual law is in 13 Islamic countries?
www.reuters.com/article/2013/12/10/us-religion-atheists-idUSBRE9B900G20131210

Islam has the death penalty for apostasy,this results in ex muslims pretending to be muslim to avoid the death penalty.
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Leftists and the Ayatollahs have a lot in common when it comes to criticism of Islam, they don't tolerate it.
 
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Reply #13 - Jun 20th, 2014 at 12:42pm
 
Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 20th, 2014 at 11:29am:
of course the Quran might be wishy washy on this.


no no, sprint says its death in the quran. I'm eagerly awaiting his quote.

Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 20th, 2014 at 11:29am:
13 Islamic countries have the death penalty for those who discard their Islamic religion,should we believe your cherry picked apologists who are in denial of reality or what the actual law is in 13 Islamic countries?


How many islamic countries don't have death for apostasy Baron?

cherry picking:
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Cherry picking, suppressing evidence, or the fallacy of incomplete evidence is the act of pointing to individual cases or data that seem to confirm a particular position, while ignoring a significant portion of related cases or data that may contradict that position.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cherry_picking_%28fallacy%29

Baron - I'm having a little difficulty understanding this concept of 'cherry picking'. Can you please give me an explanation using the example of highlighting a minority of islamic countries that use apostasy while ignoring the majority that don't? That would be really helpful thanks.
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Reply #14 - Jun 20th, 2014 at 1:27pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 20th, 2014 at 12:42pm:
Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 20th, 2014 at 11:29am:
of course the Quran might be wishy washy on this.


no no, sprint says its death in the quran. I'm eagerly awaiting his quote.

Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 20th, 2014 at 11:29am:
13 Islamic countries have the death penalty for those who discard their Islamic religion,should we believe your cherry picked apologists who are in denial of reality or what the actual law is in 13 Islamic countries?


How many islamic countries don't have death for apostasy Baron?



Perhaps those countries who dont kill people for thought crimes were corrupted by non muslims,Bukhari is pretty clear on the punishment for apostasy,the Saudis chop your head off for leaving Islam,is one of the 5 pillars of Islam hajj which means you have to visit saudi arabia, do muslims face Mecca when they tap their heads on the ground 5 times a day with their asses in the air?

Why was Alexander Aan thrown in jail in so called moderate Indonesia, is that a violation of article 18 of the universal declaration of human rights?
www.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Aan

Islam is not compatible with human rights,take note of article 18 Gandalf-
www.un.org/en/documents/udhr

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Leftists and the Ayatollahs have a lot in common when it comes to criticism of Islam, they don't tolerate it.
 
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