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Re: Jewish Terrorism
Reply #135 - Jul 19^th, 2014 at 3:08pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 19^th, 2014 at 2:25pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 19^th, 2014 at 1:08pm:

|dev|null wrote on Jul 17^th, 2014 at 1:56pm:

Why do you keep trying to make such pathetic excuses for what is evidently the death of a defenceless child who a father tried desperately to protect?

The Al Dura incident was a staged hoax,there were no Israelis firing at them.

So, the Israelis claim... Roll Eyes

Never took you for a mug, Baron. Roll Eyes

The bullet holes in the wall behind the actors are round, those gunshots came from the same angle as the Palestinian camera.

If the gunshots came from the Israeli position they would have been elliptical holes in the wall if they did not ricochet.

The poster child for an Intifada was acting.....

We all know you are a mug Brian, things must be slow in your forum is that why you troll this one?

Watch this video then point out what you disagree with-

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Reply #136 - Jul 19^th, 2014 at 4:24pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 19^th, 2014 at 3:08pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 19^th, 2014 at 2:25pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 19^th, 2014 at 1:08pm:

|dev|null wrote on Jul 17^th, 2014 at 1:56pm:

Why do you keep trying to make such pathetic excuses for what is evidently the death of a defenceless child who a father tried desperately to protect?

The Al Dura incident was a staged hoax,there were no Israelis firing at them.

So, the Israelis claim... Roll Eyes

Never took you for a mug, Baron. Roll Eyes

The bullet holes in the wall behind the actors are round, those gunshots came from the same angle as the Palestinian camera.

Except the Camera wasn't Palestinian, it was French. In reality you can't measure if the hole is elongated at all from the image on the video. Roll Eyes

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Reply #137 - Jul 19^th, 2014 at 6:27pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 19^th, 2014 at 4:24pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 19^th, 2014 at 3:08pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 19^th, 2014 at 2:25pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 19^th, 2014 at 1:08pm:

|dev|null wrote on Jul 17^th, 2014 at 1:56pm:

Why do you keep trying to make such pathetic excuses for what is evidently the death of a defenceless child who a father tried desperately to protect?

The Al Dura incident was a staged hoax,there were no Israelis firing at them.

So, the Israelis claim... Roll Eyes

Never took you for a mug, Baron. Roll Eyes

The bullet holes in the wall behind the actors are round, those gunshots came from the same angle as the Palestinian camera.

Except the Camera wasn't Palestinian, it was French. In reality you can't measure if the hole is elongated at all from the image on the video. Roll Eyes

The camera was Palestinian. The footage was sold to a French new network.

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Reply #138 - Jul 19^th, 2014 at 7:13pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jul 19^th, 2014 at 6:27pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 19^th, 2014 at 4:24pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 19^th, 2014 at 3:08pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 19^th, 2014 at 2:25pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 19^th, 2014 at 1:08pm:

|dev|null wrote on Jul 17^th, 2014 at 1:56pm:

Why do you keep trying to make such pathetic excuses for what is evidently the death of a defenceless child who a father tried desperately to protect?

The Al Dura incident was a staged hoax,there were no Israelis firing at them.

So, the Israelis claim... Roll Eyes

Never took you for a mug, Baron. Roll Eyes

The bullet holes in the wall behind the actors are round, those gunshots came from the same angle as the Palestinian camera.

Except the Camera wasn't Palestinian, it was French. In reality you can't measure if the hole is elongated at all from the image on the video. Roll Eyes

The camera was Palestinian. The footage was sold to a French new network.

My understanding was that the cameraman was Palestinian but he was working for a French network...

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Reply #139 - Jul 19^th, 2014 at 10:35pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 19^th, 2014 at 12:53pm:

Soren wrote on Jul 19^th, 2014 at 10:55am:

Israel did not respond to the Killing of the 3 boys with an assault on Gaza. It mounted a police operation which is a very normal way. They made arrests.

Whats the betting they simply said, "Round up the usual Hamas suspects"?

You seem to assume that the Israelis have an interest in actually capturing those who are responsible. If you read the timeline of events, you'll note that the primary response of Operation Brother's Keeper was not to find the teenagers but to try and drive a wedge between Hamas and the PA and to put pressure on Hamas to try and provoke them, Soren. Israel was alarmed at the possibilities that the PA and Hamas had actually reached a reconciliation.

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But then a Palestinian boy was murdered and Hamas opened rocket fire on Israel and would not stop.

Yes, you'll note, in response to that child's death, not the deliberate provocation of Operation Brother's Keeper. Was that Palestinian child responsible for the deaths of the three Israeli teens? Yet he was murdered and what's the better the Israeli colonists will get a slap on the wrist at most?

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SO then the IDF goes in and cleans them out, hopefully once and for all.

The stated objectives at the moment are to destroy Hamas infiltration tunnels. Israel will be forced to bow, once more to international pressure and will back off attempting overt ethnic cleansing, Soren.

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Gaza is in the crosshairs not because of the 3 boys but because of the continuous rocket attacks on Israel.
You don't seem to mind that, even though those rockets are deliberately and indiscriminately targeting civilians, not the IDF.

Why do you assume I don't mind?

Why do you think the deaths of these three teens justifies the deaths of hundreds of innocent people? Roll Eyes

This entire affair is a tragedy for the Palestinian people, as has have all such Israeli operations. What is the greatest tragedy is that this will not secure Israel any better than it was before it was started and will more than likely just harden the resolve of those who seek its destruction. Roll Eyes

Gaza is bombarded and invaded because of the Hamas rockets, not in response to the killing of the 3 Jewish boys.

The Palestinians ELECTED Hamas. Will they learn?

No.

The Jews want peace and the Arabs don't. That's al there is to it.

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Reply #140 - Jul 19^th, 2014 at 11:17pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 19^th, 2014 at 7:13pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jul 19^th, 2014 at 6:27pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 19^th, 2014 at 4:24pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 19^th, 2014 at 3:08pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 19^th, 2014 at 2:25pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 19^th, 2014 at 1:08pm:

|dev|null wrote on Jul 17^th, 2014 at 1:56pm:

Why do you keep trying to make such pathetic excuses for what is evidently the death of a defenceless child who a father tried desperately to protect?

The Al Dura incident was a staged hoax,there were no Israelis firing at them.

So, the Israelis claim... Roll Eyes

Never took you for a mug, Baron. Roll Eyes

The bullet holes in the wall behind the actors are round, those gunshots came from the same angle as the Palestinian camera.

Except the Camera wasn't Palestinian, it was French. In reality you can't measure if the hole is elongated at all from the image on the video. Roll Eyes

The camera was Palestinian. The footage was sold to a French new network.

My understanding was that the cameraman was Palestinian but he was working for a French network...

Pretty much it. Almost all the footage out of Gaza, in particular, and the West Bank is done by freelance, or contracted cameramen.

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Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 41980	Re: Jewish Terrorism Reply #141 - Jul 20^th, 2014 at 12:15am gizmo_2655 wrote on Jul 19^th, 2014 at 11:17pm: Pretty much it. Almost all the footage out of Gaza, in particular, and the West Bank is done by freelance, or contracted cameramen. And so, they are all part of some anti-Israeli conspiracy then?
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Reply #142 - Jul 20^th, 2014 at 12:21am

Soren wrote on Jul 19^th, 2014 at 10:35pm:

Gaza is bombarded and invaded because of the Hamas rockets, not in response to the killing of the 3 Jewish boys.

That is what the Israelis would like you to believe.

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The Palestinians ELECTED Hamas. Will they learn?

No.

The Jews want peace and the Arabs don't. That's al there is to it.

If the Israelis want peace why do they keep stealing Palestinian land, Soren? Why do they keep destroying Palestinian crops? Why do they keep treating the Palestinians like untermensch? It appears rather counter-productive to their supposed desires, now doesn't it? Roll Eyes

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You do realise he is a comedian, don't you, Soren? He isn't a serious commentator. His stated aim is to be deliberately provocative, therefore he is not presenting facts in an objective manner, now is he? Roll Eyes

He is also inaccurate. Which Arabs? The Egyptians and the Jordanians appear to desire peace - they have signed peace treaties with the state of Israel. The PA appears to desire peace, they have gone out of their way not to be provocative to the Israelis and have co-operated even in the hunt for the three teens.

So, why does he claim "the Arabs don't want peace", Soren? Except of course to be deliberately provocative, like the Israelis. Roll Eyes

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Reply #143 - Jul 20^th, 2014 at 7:53am

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 20^th, 2014 at 12:15am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jul 19^th, 2014 at 11:17pm:

Pretty much it. Almost all the footage out of Gaza, in particular, and the West Bank is done by freelance, or contracted cameramen.

And so, they are all part of some anti-Israeli conspiracy then? Roll Eyes

Well they ARE Palestinians, and the reporters from the international networks aren't there when the footage is made, but the people from Hamas ( with guns) are.

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It's similar to a strawman fallacy"
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Reply #144 - Jul 20^th, 2014 at 1:28pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 21^st, 2014 at 7:30pm:

A largely forgotten or ignored history of Terrorism in the 20th century is that of Jewish Terrorism.

Generally, Jewish Terrorism falls into two categories which overlap. Judiasm inspired, religious Terrorism and Zionist inspired Terrorism.

The first, relies upon Judiasm for it's inspiration. The second, which overlaps the first relies upon Zionism for it's inspiration.

Both have had their peaks and troughs over the last 60+ years. In the late 1940s, there was a widespread bombing campaign conducted both in Palestine and western Europe which was intended to try and influence public opinion over the creation of the modern state of Israel. Then there was the state conducted Terrorism surrounding the 1967 Six Day War, where Israeli soldiers went door to door, telling Palestinian people to leave their homes and flee. After the Six Day war, Israel waged a comprehensive letter bomb campaign against those who opposed it's rule of the Occupied Territories. Then there has been Terrorism of the Israeli settlers which has been conducted against the Palestinians.

All fit the modern, FBI inspired definition of Terrorism:
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"International terrorism" means activities with the following three characteristics:

Involve violent acts or acts dangerous to human life that violate federal or state law;

Appear to be intended (i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population; (ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or (iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping;

[Source]

So, if an Israeli colonist threatens and intimidates a Palestinian, why isn't Israel condemned for failure to bring that colonist to answer before the law?

Had the Arabs accepted Israel in 1948, there would have been a significantly smaller Israel and peace for 70 years.
The Palestinians could have negotiated their own state with fellow Muslims in Egypt and Jordan ( Grin

) and would have their own country by now ( Grin

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Reply #145 - Jul 20^th, 2014 at 7:53pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jul 20^th, 2014 at 7:53am:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 20^th, 2014 at 12:15am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jul 19^th, 2014 at 11:17pm:

Pretty much it. Almost all the footage out of Gaza, in particular, and the West Bank is done by freelance, or contracted cameramen.

And so, they are all part of some anti-Israeli conspiracy then? Roll Eyes

Well they ARE Palestinians, and the reporters from the international networks aren't there when the footage is made, but the people from Hamas ( with guns) are.

So, of course the cameraman must have been lying, right? Roll Eyes

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Reply #146 - Jul 20^th, 2014 at 8:16pm

Soren wrote on Jul 20^th, 2014 at 1:28pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 21^st, 2014 at 7:30pm:

A largely forgotten or ignored history of Terrorism in the 20th century is that of Jewish Terrorism.

Generally, Jewish Terrorism falls into two categories which overlap. Judiasm inspired, religious Terrorism and Zionist inspired Terrorism.

The first, relies upon Judiasm for it's inspiration. The second, which overlaps the first relies upon Zionism for it's inspiration.

Both have had their peaks and troughs over the last 60+ years. In the late 1940s, there was a widespread bombing campaign conducted both in Palestine and western Europe which was intended to try and influence public opinion over the creation of the modern state of Israel. Then there was the state conducted Terrorism surrounding the 1967 Six Day War, where Israeli soldiers went door to door, telling Palestinian people to leave their homes and flee. After the Six Day war, Israel waged a comprehensive letter bomb campaign against those who opposed it's rule of the Occupied Territories. Then there has been Terrorism of the Israeli settlers which has been conducted against the Palestinians.

All fit the modern, FBI inspired definition of Terrorism:
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"International terrorism" means activities with the following three characteristics:

Involve violent acts or acts dangerous to human life that violate federal or state law;

Appear to be intended (i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population; (ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or (iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping;

[Source]

So, if an Israeli colonist threatens and intimidates a Palestinian, why isn't Israel condemned for failure to bring that colonist to answer before the law?

Had the Arabs accepted Israel in 1948, there would have been a significantly smaller Israel and peace for 70 years.

Immaterial to the point under discussion, Soren. Please explain why isn't Israel condemned for the terrorist acts of it's colonists? Roll Eyes

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Reply #147 - Jul 21^st, 2014 at 12:41am

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 20^th, 2014 at 12:21am:

So, why does he claim "the Arabs don't want peace", Soren? Except of course to be deliberately provocative, like the Israelis. Roll Eyes

Although I don't like Israelis all that much, I do find that the Israelis are the lesser of two evils. Not that much lesser, since I can imagine Israel being a complete arsehole in world affairs. But I do believe that Condell has a point. If Israel gave up the fighting on their behalf, the Arabs wouldn't give up the fight. It would be an all out slaughter against the Israelis. But if the Arabs gave up fighting the Israelis, the Arabs would be much better off. I have seen plenty of videos of young Arab children chanting their hatred against Jews. Inclusive is their desire for Allah to curse disease upon the Jews, diseases that cannot be cured. You cannot categorise the level of bitterness Arabs have for non-Arabs.

Imagine yourself, Brian, living next door to Arabs, or living in a suburb full of Arabs ready to kill you. Imagine taking your theory that they won't do anything to you if you don't provoke them. It won't take long for them to overwhelm the rest of your city with inflated costs to the community. Then you won't be calling their hatred a hyperbole.

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Reply #148 - Jul 21^st, 2014 at 5:24am

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 20^th, 2014 at 7:53pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jul 20^th, 2014 at 7:53am:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 20^th, 2014 at 12:15am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jul 19^th, 2014 at 11:17pm:

Pretty much it. Almost all the footage out of Gaza, in particular, and the West Bank is done by freelance, or contracted cameramen.

And so, they are all part of some anti-Israeli conspiracy then? Roll Eyes

Well they ARE Palestinians, and the reporters from the international networks aren't there when the footage is made, but the people from Hamas ( with guns) are.

So, of course the cameraman must have been lying, right? Roll Eyes

Yes that's it exactly. Which is what the court decided in France, btw.

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Reply #149 - Jul 21^st, 2014 at 10:57am

Soren wrote on Jul 20^th, 2014 at 1:28pm:

Had the Arabs accepted Israel in 1948, there would have been a significantly smaller Israel and peace for 70 years.

Not according to the Israelis, there wouldn't have been as the Zionists always believed right until the early 1990s that there should be one state, a Jewish state, stretching from the sea to the River Jordan. This week's "Rear Vision" programme on RN makes that clear.

Also you can understand why the Arabs were upset. Under the original partition plan, only 35% of the population ended up with 70% of the land area. Guess who the 35% were? They weren't the Arab population. So you have a foreign political solution imposed on the local population without consultation. Is it any wonder they fought against it?

Yet even they recognised by 1990 their dream of a multicultural and multifaith nation between the sea and the river was doomed and returned to the original proposal of a two state solution, only to see it continually rebuffed by the Israelis who believed they should have it all. You still see that belief in their colonisation policies which are intended to ethnically cleanse the Occupied Territories.

And you keep on blaming the Palestinians for their plight. Talk about blaming the victims! Typical though of your ilk. Grin

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