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Reply #150 - Jul 21st, 2014 at 1:00pm
 
In some situations, the 'victims' are actually to blame.
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Reply #151 - Jul 21st, 2014 at 1:11pm
 
The creation of Israel was inevitable after WWII.

Israel immediately accepted the 1948 borders. Most countries, in turn, recognised Israel. At that time Gaza and the West Bank were under Egyptian and Jordanian control - two sovereign countries. There would have been no war for land if they and the other Arabs had also accepted Israel within the 1948 borders. They all - not just Israel!!! - would be now prosperous and modern places, benefiting from the presence of Israel in their midsts. The Palestinians could have negotiated with the Egyptians and Jordanians for a state of their own.


Instead it has been 70 years of war and conflict, constant attacks on Israel - but now that they have completely antagonised the Jews, they want to rocket their way to a two state solution. Laughable.

No. They want to eliminate Israel. That was the agenda in 1948, that's the agenda now. And if you look at the development of Israel and the Arabs over those decades, it is a fantasy by the Arabs to imagine that the presence of Israel is the same thing as the presence of the crusader kingdoms. It is a completely different thing. But the Muslim Arabs cannot think new, cannot ignore the Islamic dictum to eliminate the Jews.



|dev|null wrote on Jul 21st, 2014 at 10:57am:
And you keep on blaming the Palestinians for their plight.  Talk about blaming the victims! 


The situation arises due to a complete miscalculation by the Muslims in 1948 and their continued and  complete sacrifice of the Palestinians for Jew-baiting purposes.  And it has been backfiring on them for 70 years and they are still not learning.




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Reply #152 - Jul 21st, 2014 at 2:38pm
 
gizmo_2655 wrote on Jul 21st, 2014 at 1:00pm:
In some situations, the 'victims' are actually to blame.


The victims in this case have changed their ways.  Their victimisers have just taken encouragement from it.   Grin Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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Reply #153 - Jul 21st, 2014 at 2:49pm
 
Soren wrote on Jul 21st, 2014 at 1:11pm:
The creation of Israel was inevitable after WWII.


Of course it was, the West had to atone for it's complicity in the Holocaust.   Perhaps they should have made Tasmania the Jewish Homeland instead?  Afterall, the white Colonists had already ethnically cleansed it for them.

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Israel immediately accepted the 1948 borders. Most countries, in turn, recognised Israel.


Most?  Recognition of Israel was actually quite slow.  Do you know which country was the first to officially recognise the state of Israel?  The Soviet Union!  The USA was well back in the pack. 

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At that time Gaza and the West Bank were under Egyptian and Jordanian control - two sovereign countries. There would have been no war for land if they and the other Arabs had also accepted Israel within the 1948 borders. They all - not just Israel!!! - would be now prosperous and modern places, benefiting from the presence of Israel in their midsts. The Palestinians could have negotiated with the Egyptians and Jordanians for a state of their own.

Instead it has been 70 years of war and conflict, constant attacks on Israel - but now that they have completely antagonised the Jews, they want to rocket their way to a two state solution. Laughable.

No. They want to eliminate Israel. That was the agenda in 1948, that's the agenda now. And if you look at the development of Israel and the Arabs over those decades, it is a fantasy by the Arabs to imagine that the presence of Israel is the same thing as the presence of the crusader kingdoms. It is a completely different thing. But the Muslim Arabs cannot think new, cannot ignore the Islamic dictum to eliminate the Jews.


As usual, you're 30 years behind the times.  Egypt accepted the existence of the State of Israel on 26 March 1979.  Jordan accepted the existence of the State of Israel on 26 October 1994.  The P.A. recognised the existence of the State of Israel in 1993.   Looks to me like not all Arab nations fit your stereotype.

|dev|null wrote on Jul 21st, 2014 at 10:57am:
And you keep on blaming the Palestinians for their plight.  Talk about blaming the victims! 


The situation arises due to a complete miscalculation by the Muslims in 1948 and their continued and  complete sacrifice of the Palestinians for Jew-baiting purposes.  And it has been backfiring on them for 70 years and they are still not learning.
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Yep sure has but again, you blame the Palestinians for this happening rather than recognising they are the victims of both the Israelis and their fellow Arabs.  Typical of your attitudes though.    Grin Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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Reply #154 - Jul 21st, 2014 at 2:50pm
 
|dev|null wrote on Jul 21st, 2014 at 2:38pm:
gizmo_2655 wrote on Jul 21st, 2014 at 1:00pm:
In some situations, the 'victims' are actually to blame.


The victims in this case have changed their ways.  Their victimisers have just taken encouragement from it.   Grin Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy


Well, NO they haven't changed their ways at all. Israel's security wall and checkpoints has made then change their methods that's all.
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Reply #155 - Jul 21st, 2014 at 2:52pm
 
gizmo_2655 wrote on Jul 21st, 2014 at 2:50pm:
|dev|null wrote on Jul 21st, 2014 at 2:38pm:
gizmo_2655 wrote on Jul 21st, 2014 at 1:00pm:
In some situations, the 'victims' are actually to blame.


The victims in this case have changed their ways.  Their victimisers have just taken encouragement from it.   Grin Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy


Well, NO they haven't changed their ways at all. Israel's security wall and checkpoints has made then change their methods that's all.


Why then is the PA cooperating with the Israeli Security Apparatus?    Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy
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Reply #156 - Jul 21st, 2014 at 2:54pm
 
|dev|null wrote on Jul 21st, 2014 at 2:49pm:
Soren wrote on Jul 21st, 2014 at 1:11pm:
The creation of Israel was inevitable after WWII.


Of course it was, the West had to atone for it's complicity in the Holocaust.   Perhaps they should have made Tasmania the Jewish Homeland instead?  Afterall, the white Colonists had already ethnically cleansed it for them.

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Israel immediately accepted the 1948 borders. Most countries, in turn, recognised Israel.


Most?  Recognition of Israel was actually quite slow.  Do you know which country was the first to officially recognise the state of Israel?  The Soviet Union!  The USA was well back in the pack. 

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At that time Gaza and the West Bank were under Egyptian and Jordanian control - two sovereign countries. There would have been no war for land if they and the other Arabs had also accepted Israel within the 1948 borders. They all - not just Israel!!! - would be now prosperous and modern places, benefiting from the presence of Israel in their midsts. The Palestinians could have negotiated with the Egyptians and Jordanians for a state of their own.

Instead it has been 70 years of war and conflict, constant attacks on Israel - but now that they have completely antagonised the Jews, they want to rocket their way to a two state solution. Laughable.

No. They want to eliminate Israel. That was the agenda in 1948, that's the agenda now. And if you look at the development of Israel and the Arabs over those decades, it is a fantasy by the Arabs to imagine that the presence of Israel is the same thing as the presence of the crusader kingdoms. It is a completely different thing. But the Muslim Arabs cannot think new, cannot ignore the Islamic dictum to eliminate the Jews.


As usual, you're 30 years behind the times.  Egypt accepted the existence of the State of Israel on 26 March 1979.  Jordan accepted the existence of the State of Israel on 26 October 1994.  The P.A. recognised the existence of the State of Israel in 1993.   Looks to me like not all Arab nations fit your stereotype.

|dev|null wrote on Jul 21st, 2014 at 10:57am:
And you keep on blaming the Palestinians for their plight.  Talk about blaming the victims! 


The situation arises due to a complete miscalculation by the Muslims in 1948 and their continued and  complete sacrifice of the Palestinians for Jew-baiting purposes.  And it has been backfiring on them for 70 years and they are still not learning.


Yep sure has but again, you blame the Palestinians for this happening rather than recognising they are the victims of both the Israelis and their fellow Arabs.  Typical of your attitudes though.    Grin Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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There'd been Jewish people in Tasmania for over 2000 years???
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Reply #157 - Jul 21st, 2014 at 2:58pm
 
|dev|null wrote on Jul 21st, 2014 at 2:52pm:
gizmo_2655 wrote on Jul 21st, 2014 at 2:50pm:
|dev|null wrote on Jul 21st, 2014 at 2:38pm:
gizmo_2655 wrote on Jul 21st, 2014 at 1:00pm:
In some situations, the 'victims' are actually to blame.


The victims in this case have changed their ways.  Their victimisers have just taken encouragement from it.   Grin Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy


Well, NO they haven't changed their ways at all. Israel's security wall and checkpoints has made then change their methods that's all.


Why then is the PA cooperating with the Israeli Security Apparatus?    Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy


Because the PA isn't in charge of Gaza. Notice how quiet the West Bank is, compared to Gaza??
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Reply #158 - Jul 21st, 2014 at 3:44pm
 
gizmo_2655 wrote on Jul 21st, 2014 at 2:58pm:
|dev|null wrote on Jul 21st, 2014 at 2:52pm:
gizmo_2655 wrote on Jul 21st, 2014 at 2:50pm:
|dev|null wrote on Jul 21st, 2014 at 2:38pm:
gizmo_2655 wrote on Jul 21st, 2014 at 1:00pm:
In some situations, the 'victims' are actually to blame.


The victims in this case have changed their ways.  Their victimisers have just taken encouragement from it.   Grin Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy


Well, NO they haven't changed their ways at all. Israel's security wall and checkpoints has made then change their methods that's all.


Why then is the PA cooperating with the Israeli Security Apparatus?    Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy


Because the PA isn't in charge of Gaza. Notice how quiet the West Bank is, compared to Gaza??


And where do the majority of Palestinians live?  Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy
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Reply #159 - Jul 21st, 2014 at 3:48pm
 
|dev|null wrote on Jul 21st, 2014 at 3:44pm:
gizmo_2655 wrote on Jul 21st, 2014 at 2:58pm:
|dev|null wrote on Jul 21st, 2014 at 2:52pm:
gizmo_2655 wrote on Jul 21st, 2014 at 2:50pm:
|dev|null wrote on Jul 21st, 2014 at 2:38pm:
gizmo_2655 wrote on Jul 21st, 2014 at 1:00pm:
In some situations, the 'victims' are actually to blame.


The victims in this case have changed their ways.  Their victimisers have just taken encouragement from it.   Grin Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy


Well, NO they haven't changed their ways at all. Israel's security wall and checkpoints has made then change their methods that's all.


Why then is the PA cooperating with the Israeli Security Apparatus?    Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy


Because the PA isn't in charge of Gaza. Notice how quiet the West Bank is, compared to Gaza??


And where do the majority of Palestinians live?  Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy


Don't know. I do know the ones in Gaza are launching rockets, missiles and mortars at Israel though.

edit. Isn't it Jordan where most of the Palestinians live?
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Reply #160 - Jul 21st, 2014 at 4:30pm
 
|dev|null wrote on Jul 21st, 2014 at 2:49pm:
Soren wrote on Jul 21st, 2014 at 1:11pm:
The creation of Israel was inevitable after WWII.


Of course it was, the West had to atone for it's complicity in the Holocaust.   Perhaps they should have made Tasmania the Jewish Homeland instead?  Afterall, the white Colonists had already ethnically cleansed it for them.





Israel wasn't chosen randomly as the Jewish homeland, you know.

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Reply #161 - Jul 21st, 2014 at 4:45pm
 
|dev|null wrote on Jul 21st, 2014 at 2:49pm:
Yep sure has but again, you blame the Palestinians for this happening rather than recognising they are the victims of both the Israelis and their fellow Arabs.  Typical of your attitudes though.   



We know the Muslims generally and Palestinians in particular will never forgive the Jews for the Holocaust.

...

Paris, July 2014


While the recent assaults on two synagogues in Paris with worshippers barricaded inside is extreme and distinct from the general problem of French anti-Semitism, they show how severe the situation on the ground can be.
Aline Le Bail-Kremer, a press officer for the French civil rights group SOS Racisme, lives near Don Isaac Abravanel Synagogue on rue de la Roquette, where one of the attacks took place and observed it from her window.
“The scene was very violent, with terrifying and anti-Semitic slogans” she told the Forward via an email. The protesters, she said, came with “baseball bats, chairs, tables stolen from the bars [which they] used as projectiles.”
Inside, members of the Jewish community were gathered to commemorate the lives of three teens recently found murdered in Israel, apparently by terrorists. Outside, synagogue security forces, and later police, defended the house of worship during an altercation that lasted for an hour and 40 minutes, said Le Bail-Kremer.
“It was clearly an anti-Semitic attack,” she said.


Read more: http://forward.com/articles/202126/brazen-anti-semitism-sends-french-jews-racing-to-l/#ixzz385ELvVIc



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Reply #162 - Jul 21st, 2014 at 4:47pm
 
Soren wrote on Jul 21st, 2014 at 4:30pm:
|dev|null wrote on Jul 21st, 2014 at 2:49pm:
Soren wrote on Jul 21st, 2014 at 1:11pm:
The creation of Israel was inevitable after WWII.


Of course it was, the West had to atone for it's complicity in the Holocaust.   Perhaps they should have made Tasmania the Jewish Homeland instead?  Afterall, the white Colonists had already ethnically cleansed it for them.





Israel wasn't chosen randomly as the Jewish homeland, you know.



Yes, old chap, but you must admit that Hot Breasts has a point - we did erradicate the tinted problem in Tasmania.

Why not put the Muselmen there?
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Reply #163 - Jul 21st, 2014 at 4:48pm
 
Soren wrote on Jul 21st, 2014 at 4:30pm:
|dev|null wrote on Jul 21st, 2014 at 2:49pm:
Soren wrote on Jul 21st, 2014 at 1:11pm:
The creation of Israel was inevitable after WWII.


Of course it was, the West had to atone for it's complicity in the Holocaust.   Perhaps they should have made Tasmania the Jewish Homeland instead?  Afterall, the white Colonists had already ethnically cleansed it for them.





Israel wasn't chosen randomly as the Jewish homeland, you know.



Yes, old chap, but you must admit that Hot Breasts has a point - we did erradicate the tinted problem in Tasmania.

Why not put the Muselmen there?
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Reply #164 - Jul 21st, 2014 at 5:00pm
 
More Diversity News here:
http://www.newenglishreview.org/blog_direct_link.cfm/blog_id/55180


A few years ago there was a "pro-Palestinian" protest in central London with the Metropolitan Police retreating up St. James's Street to Piccadilly in the face of a mob hurling traffic cones and jeering, "Run, run, you cowards!" and "Allahu akbar!" You would think the deluded multi-culti progressives would understand: In the end, this isn't about Gaza, this isn't about the Middle East; it's about them.

It may be some consolation to an ever-lonelier Israel that, in one of history's bleaker jests, in the coming Europe the Europeans will be the new Jews.
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