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Reply #165 - Jul 21st, 2014 at 5:51pm
 



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Reply #166 - Jul 21st, 2014 at 9:05pm
 
|dev|null wrote on Jul 21st, 2014 at 2:49pm:
As usual, you're 30 years behind the times.  Egypt accepted the existence of the State of Israel on 26 March 1979.  Jordan accepted the existence of the State of Israel on 26 October 1994.  The P.A. recognised the existence of the State of Israel in 1993.   Looks to me like not all Arab nations fit your stereotype.





So who the hell is fighting Israel?
Egypt and Jordan and the PLO all recognise Israel. Who are the bastards who are trying to upset this harmony? And why shouldn't the be kicked in the teeth for the disruption?



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Reply #167 - Jul 22nd, 2014 at 2:38pm
 
Soren wrote on Jul 21st, 2014 at 9:05pm:
|dev|null wrote on Jul 21st, 2014 at 2:49pm:
As usual, you're 30 years behind the times.  Egypt accepted the existence of the State of Israel on 26 March 1979.  Jordan accepted the existence of the State of Israel on 26 October 1994.  The P.A. recognised the existence of the State of Israel in 1993.   Looks to me like not all Arab nations fit your stereotype.





So who the hell is fighting Israel?
Egypt and Jordan and the PLO all recognise Israel. Who are the bastards who are trying to upset this harmony? And why shouldn't the be kicked in the teeth for the disruption?


Israel helped create Hamas to split the PLO which was united against it.  If you want to blame anybody for what is going on, look to the Israeli Government which has been trying to prevent a rapprochement between the P.A. and Hamas ever since they helped create Hamas.

As to why shouldn't Hamas be hammered?  Perhaps the problem is the Israelis, despite all their rhetoric to the contrary don't really care to tell the difference between a Hamas member who has taken up arms against Israel and Palestinian civilians?  This morning we woke to news that the IDF has been shelling hospitals (again).   I suppose those big Red Crescents on the building made wonderful aiming marks for their tank guns?   Hundreds dead, over a hundred children dead.  Who pulled the triggers?  All you do is keep posting excuses for the Israelis, you apologist!   Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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"Pens and books are the weapons that defeat terrorism." - Malala Yousefzai, 2013.

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Reply #168 - Jul 22nd, 2014 at 3:40pm
 
Yeah we all know that the muslims only fire rockets at the Israeli Defence Force, they never once have fired into the civilian population have they?

The Jews have my support.
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Reply #169 - Jul 22nd, 2014 at 3:45pm
 
moses wrote on Jul 22nd, 2014 at 3:40pm:
Yeah we all know that the muslims only fire rockets at the Israeli Defence Force, they never once have fired into the civilian population have they?

The Jews have my support.


Of course they do.  They're killing Muslims, which is what you want.

Little do they know though, that once all the Muslims are dead, they'll be the next ones you herd into the cattle trucks!   Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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Reply #170 - Jul 22nd, 2014 at 3:50pm
 
Or I could be like your pinup boys of the left (communists), you know shooting down jet liners with around 300 innocent men women and children on board, slaughtering the lot in one go.

Or I could be like your islamic  brothers today in 2014.

Your snivelling self praise is certainly no recommendation.
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Reply #171 - Jul 22nd, 2014 at 3:58pm
 
moses wrote on Jul 22nd, 2014 at 3:50pm:
Or I could be like your pinup boys of the left (communists), you know shooting down jet liners with around 300 innocent men women and children on board, slaughtering the lot in one go.


Nought to do with Communists or Communism.  The alledged culprits are Russian nationalists and nationalists are of the Right, not the Left.

Whoops!  Missed again!  You do realise the Cold War has been over for 20 years?   Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy
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Reply #172 - Jul 22nd, 2014 at 4:36pm
 
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Nought to do with Communists or Communism.  The alledged culprits are Russian nationalists and nationalists are of the Right, not the Left.

Whoops!  Missed again!  You do realise the Cold War has been over for 20 years?



The Right is most certainly not the dominant power in Russia

The United Russia party has no coherent ideology, but embraces politicians and officials with a variety of political views who support the administration

The Russian Communist Party (KPRF) still remaining the second largest political party in the Russian parliament.

So yes I stick to my view that Russia is still very much under the influence of the left.
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Reply #173 - Jul 22nd, 2014 at 5:02pm
 
moses wrote on Jul 22nd, 2014 at 4:36pm:
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Nought to do with Communists or Communism.  The alledged culprits are Russian nationalists and nationalists are of the Right, not the Left.

Whoops!  Missed again!  You do realise the Cold War has been over for 20 years?



The Right is most certainly not the dominant power in Russia


Haven't listened to Vlad or his followers lately, have you?  Not much left over from the days of Communism in their beliefs, except in a strong Rodina!  Dah!   Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

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The Russian Communist Party (KPRF) still remaining the second largest political party in the Russian parliament.


So, they are the minority?  Doesn't that rather demolish your own argument?   Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

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So yes I stick to my view that Russia is still very much under the influence of the left.


You are very politically naive, aren't you?   Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #174 - Jul 24th, 2014 at 4:40pm
 
America's Israeli Jihadists


American foreign fighters are at it again in the Middle East.

Most recently, they're wearing the uniform of the Israeli state, willing participants in the onslaught of Gaza's population. American volunteers have contributed to the deaths of at least 633 Palestinian civilians since the recent conflict began. Of the 30 Israelis killed, it has emerged that at least two had dual US citizenship.

So how does the United States respond? To start with, by sending more Americans.

Less than 24 hours after his Fox News "hot mic" episode, US Secretary of State John Kerry arrived in Cairo on Tuesday, dissecting the situation with the predictable Western refrain about Hamas' bad behavior and Israeli's "right to defend" itself.

"We're here working because we've seen too much blood shed on all sides," said Kerry.

But it was his addition of "including the death of two American citizens" as his voice trailed off that confirmed one of the conflicts most unrecognized hypocrisies: American citizens are systemically encouraged to fight, oppress, and kill Palestinians.

Forget how America lectures Arab governments about "cracking down" or "stemming the flow" of Arab foreign fighters to Iraq or Syria or Afghanistan. For those American volunteers in Israel, there will be no FBI dragnet back home to trace their voyages from Newark to Tel Aviv. No interviewing of neighbors to understand what motivated the departed to don foreign fatigues and raise a rifle at someone they've never met. Not to mention being placed on the mother of all no's--the "no fly" list. Definitely no monitoring synagogue sermons or AIPAC conventions, unless they're invited speakers and they're up next.

Fortunately for Israel's American volunteers, they will also be spared the indignity faced by Muslim-Americans of FBI surveillance stings--as chronicled in this recent Al Jazeera investigation--to inveigle US citizens to fight or injure others abroad who aren't deemed "bad guys."

No, there are just three ways that American-Israeli foreign fighters run afoul of the law. First, if they join the "wrong" side, most readily defined as Hamas. The US classifies this resistance group as a Foreign Terrorist Organization and sanctions it for "threatening to disrupt the Middle East peace process". Odd considering Netanyahu has done more than his share to kill that very process. And when was the last time you saw any US citizen prosecuted for supporting (or being!) violent Israeli settlers or being members of extremist groups like Kahane Chai?

Criminal penalties or a loss of citizenship could theoretically result from those serving in Israel were it proven they intended to relinquish U.S. citizenship upon enlisting. It would be considered treason were US-Israeli fighters to directly attack the United States.

Lastly, it's still a federal criminal offense to murder a US citizen abroad. While it's still too early to tell whether the deceased US-Israeli fighters Sean Carmeli or Max Steinberg had killed any dual Palestinian-American citizens while fighting in Gaza, you can rest assured that there will be no investigation.

Indeed, one can safely say these American "jihadis" (isn't that what we normally call those heading for a fight over there?) will be in the clear.

They probably had zero plans to ditch their passports when they took up arms for Israel. Just ask Rahm Emmanuel, who volunteered twice in the Israeli Defense Forces. He later became President Obama's Chief of Staff and Mayor of Chicago.

How perverse is this: Carmeli and Steinberg might have even had a shot at becoming top-secret cleared US diplomats--even mediators to the very conflict they once participated in with weapons. Just review the story of Martin Indyk, America's Mideast Peace Envoy, who was himself a volunteer (albeit civilian) during Israel's 1973 war and who later was a top official at its US-based advocacy operation, known as AIPAC.

But on the final threshold were Carmeli and Steinberg fighting the United States and committing treason? Their defenders would argue not.

But if you study all Al Qaeda rhetoric before 9/11 and the innumerable other groups that have sprouted up since, unqualified American support for Israel--diplomatic, financial, and yes, military aid--remains a key grievance and recruitment device to attract people to attack and kill Americans.

So while Netanyahu's killing machine obliterates Palestinian kids playing soccer on Gaza's beaches, have no doubt that there are Arabs and Muslims wanting to exact revenge on both Israel and the United States.

That Carmeli and Steinberg fought to deepen that anger means they were also inciting Arabs and Muslims to hate Americans, posing risks to all citizens whether traveling abroad or walking freely at home.

In a parallel universe where logic prevails, the US might do something about it.

But in today's America, the support for Israel's oppression of Palestinians is institutional. There will be no closing of US-based charities and NGO's that openly raise tax-free money for Israeli settlers. The IRS will continue to allow this indirect subsidy for hostile activities in contravention of stated US foreign policy (you know, "they're an obstacle to peace"). There will be no effort to "de-radicalize" America's foreign fighters for Israel when they come home. On the contrary, they might even stand a chance of becoming civil servants or elected officials in positions of authority where they
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Reply #175 - Jul 24th, 2014 at 5:47pm
 
|dev|null wrote on Jul 22nd, 2014 at 2:38pm:
Soren wrote on Jul 21st, 2014 at 9:05pm:
|dev|null wrote on Jul 21st, 2014 at 2:49pm:
As usual, you're 30 years behind the times.  Egypt accepted the existence of the State of Israel on 26 March 1979.  Jordan accepted the existence of the State of Israel on 26 October 1994.  The P.A. recognised the existence of the State of Israel in 1993.   Looks to me like not all Arab nations fit your stereotype.





So who the hell is fighting Israel?
Egypt and Jordan and the PLO all recognise Israel. Who are the bastards who are trying to upset this harmony? And why shouldn't the be kicked in the teeth for the disruption?


Israel helped create Hamas to split the PLO which was united against it.  If you want to blame anybody for what is going on, look to the Israeli Government which has been trying to prevent a rapprochement between the P.A. and Hamas ever since they helped create Hamas.






Cry Cry Cry Cry Cry Cry



Poor Muslims. As we see in Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Labia, Egypt -  they really, really want to be friends with each other but it's the Jews - sorry,  J Cheesy Cheesy CheesyS  - who don't let them!!!  Honest!

And the Muslim Arabs are such helpless little children that a few hundred million of them are thought-controlled by the Israeli government. Cunning Jews - sorry, J Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll EyesS -, eh?



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Reply #176 - Jul 25th, 2014 at 2:50pm
 
You really do have problems with reality and logical thinking, don't you?   Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy
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Reply #177 - Jul 25th, 2014 at 5:27pm
 
|dev|null wrote on Jul 25th, 2014 at 2:50pm:
You really do have problems with reality and logical thinking, don't you?   Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy

You mean you have no answer other than the usual eye swivelling.



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Reply #178 - Jul 25th, 2014 at 5:34pm
 
|dev|null wrote on Jul 22nd, 2014 at 2:38pm:
Israel helped create Hamas to split the PLO which was united against it.  If you want to blame anybody for what is going on, look to the Israeli Government which has been trying to prevent a rapprochement between the P.A. and Hamas ever since they helped create Hamas.




Grin Grin Grin Grin

Zif the Muslim Arabs needed ANY outside 'help' to be divided and at each other's throat for the slightest little reason. They have been murdering each other since the day Mohammed died - they still live under the storm cloud of the 7th century and their utter inability to live with each other in peace. 

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Reply #179 - Jul 25th, 2014 at 5:39pm
 
Soren wrote on Jul 25th, 2014 at 5:34pm:
|dev|null wrote on Jul 22nd, 2014 at 2:38pm:
Israel helped create Hamas to split the PLO which was united against it.  If you want to blame anybody for what is going on, look to the Israeli Government which has been trying to prevent a rapprochement between the P.A. and Hamas ever since they helped create Hamas.




Grin Grin Grin Grin

Zif the Muslim Arabs needed ANY outside 'help' to be divided and at each other's throat for the slightest little reason. They have been murdering each other since the day Mohammed died - they still live under the storm cloud of the 7th century and their utter inability to live with each other in peace. 



The only thing that has so far kept the various Middle East Arab nations from destroying each other in all out war is the existence of Israel.
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