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Reply #180 - Jul 25th, 2014 at 8:40pm
 
Soren wrote on Jul 25th, 2014 at 5:34pm:
|dev|null wrote on Jul 22nd, 2014 at 2:38pm:
Israel helped create Hamas to split the PLO which was united against it.  If you want to blame anybody for what is going on, look to the Israeli Government which has been trying to prevent a rapprochement between the P.A. and Hamas ever since they helped create Hamas.




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Zif the Muslim Arabs needed ANY outside 'help' to be divided and at each other's throat for the slightest little reason. They have been murdering each other since the day Mohammed died - they still live under the storm cloud of the 7th century and their utter inability to live with each other in peace. 



Except of course, the Hamas - Fatah split was all about politics and dealing with the "Zionist entity" rather than schismatic religious beliefs.  Most Palestinians are primarily Sunni, so it's likely most Hamas and most Fatah supporters share the same doctrinal beliefs.

Your comment, if you merely changed a few words could just as equally describe Christians, Soren.   They've been at each other's throats since it came to predominate in Europe.  Forgotten the various religious wars and "crusades" conducted there over the last millennia?  Roll Eyes
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Reply #181 - Jul 25th, 2014 at 9:47pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 25th, 2014 at 8:40pm:
Soren wrote on Jul 25th, 2014 at 5:34pm:
|dev|null wrote on Jul 22nd, 2014 at 2:38pm:
Israel helped create Hamas to split the PLO which was united against it.  If you want to blame anybody for what is going on, look to the Israeli Government which has been trying to prevent a rapprochement between the P.A. and Hamas ever since they helped create Hamas.




Grin Grin Grin Grin

Zif the Muslim Arabs needed ANY outside 'help' to be divided and at each other's throat for the slightest little reason. They have been murdering each other since the day Mohammed died - they still live under the storm cloud of the 7th century and their utter inability to live with each other in peace. 



Except of course, the Hamas - Fatah split was all about politics and dealing with the "Zionist entity" rather than schismatic religious beliefs.  Most Palestinians are primarily Sunni, so it's likely most Hamas and most Fatah supporters share the same doctrinal beliefs.

Your comment, if you merely changed a few words could just as equally describe Christians, Soren.   They've been at each other's throats since it came to predominate in Europe.  Forgotten the various religious wars and "crusades" conducted there over the last millennia?  Roll Eyes



Last millennium, Brain.  NOT NOW. I live NOW and so do you.

Muslims must be really, really stupid to make the mistakes Christians did 300 years ago. They are too thick to learn from other people's mistakes so the killing must go on until they learn from their OWN mistakes.

And you, of course, are clapping for that because you are yourself that kind of guy. It's no lesson until your own nose is rubbed into it.







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Reply #182 - Jul 25th, 2014 at 10:06pm
 
Soren wrote on Jul 25th, 2014 at 9:47pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 25th, 2014 at 8:40pm:
Soren wrote on Jul 25th, 2014 at 5:34pm:
|dev|null wrote on Jul 22nd, 2014 at 2:38pm:
Israel helped create Hamas to split the PLO which was united against it.  If you want to blame anybody for what is going on, look to the Israeli Government which has been trying to prevent a rapprochement between the P.A. and Hamas ever since they helped create Hamas.




Grin Grin Grin Grin

Zif the Muslim Arabs needed ANY outside 'help' to be divided and at each other's throat for the slightest little reason. They have been murdering each other since the day Mohammed died - they still live under the storm cloud of the 7th century and their utter inability to live with each other in peace. 



Except of course, the Hamas - Fatah split was all about politics and dealing with the "Zionist entity" rather than schismatic religious beliefs.  Most Palestinians are primarily Sunni, so it's likely most Hamas and most Fatah supporters share the same doctrinal beliefs.

Your comment, if you merely changed a few words could just as equally describe Christians, Soren.   They've been at each other's throats since it came to predominate in Europe.  Forgotten the various religious wars and "crusades" conducted there over the last millennia?  Roll Eyes



Last millennium, Brain.  NOT NOW. I live NOW and so do you.


Yet as the Balkan Wars showed, we still live with the effects of those religious wars from so long ago, Soren.   Roll Eyes

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Muslims must be really, really stupid to make the mistakes Christians did 300 years ago. They are too thick to learn from other people's mistakes so the killing must go on until they learn from their OWN mistakes.


Forgotten Matthew 7:3, Soren?   Roll Eyes

Christians today repeat the same mistakes over and over from their own religion's history, yet you seem to think this is a problem isolated to only Muslims.  I wonder why?   Roll Eyes

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And you, of course, are clapping for that because you are yourself that kind of guy. It's no lesson until your own nose is rubbed into it.


Boring, Soren.  Unoriginal and boring.   I clap for no one, however I believe you persecute Muslims for things which other religions are just as guilty of.    Roll Eyes
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Reply #183 - Jul 25th, 2014 at 11:33pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 25th, 2014 at 10:06pm:
Forgotten Matthew 7:3, Soren?   

Christians today repeat the same mistakes over and over from their own religion's history, yet you seem to think this is a problem isolated to only Muslims.  I wonder why?   



It doesn't. There are no religious wars between Christians.
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 25th, 2014 at 10:06pm:
I believe you persecute Muslims for things which other religions are just as guilty of.


Bollocks. There is no religious strife like Muslim religious strife. Reflex equivocation just makes you look stupid and shallow.

Protestants and Catholics are not killing each other across the globe over the interpretation of the New Testament.

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 25th, 2014 at 10:06pm:
Yet as the Balkan Wars showed, we still live with the effects of those religious wars from so long ago, Soren. 


It involved Muslims on one side. The only war in Europe since WWII. Rest my case.

And who saved the Muslims there? The US.

Please explain.

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Reply #184 - Jul 26th, 2014 at 12:15am
 
Soren wrote on Jul 25th, 2014 at 11:33pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 25th, 2014 at 10:06pm:
Forgotten Matthew 7:3, Soren?   

Christians today repeat the same mistakes over and over from their own religion's history, yet you seem to think this is a problem isolated to only Muslims.  I wonder why?   



It doesn't. There are no religious wars between Christians.


Forgotten the Balkan Wars of the 1990s?  The Irish Troubles from ~1968 thru to ~1998?  Both in recent memory, the effects still being lived with, Soren.  Oh, what a short memory and perhaps shall we say, convenient memory you suffer from...   Roll Eyes

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Brian Ross wrote on Jul 25th, 2014 at 10:06pm:
I believe you persecute Muslims for things which other religions are just as guilty of.


Bollocks. There is no religious strife like Muslim religious strife.


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"Religious hostilities increased in every major region of the world except the Americas," Pew said in its report, the latest such survey in a series based on data back to 2007.

The Washington-based center, which is non-partisan and takes no policy position in its reports, gave no reason for the rises noted in hostility against Christians, Muslims, Jews and an "other" category including Sikhs, Bah'ais and atheists.

Hindus, Buddhists and folk religions saw lower levels of hostility and little change in the past six years, according to the report's extensive data.

As some restrictive countries such as China, Indonesia, Russia and Egypt also have large populations, Pew estimated that 76 percent of the total global population faces some sort of official or informal restriction on their faith.

A report last week by the Christian group Open Doors said documented cases of Christians killed for their faith last year had doubled to 2,123 around the world, with Syria accounting for more than the entire global total in 2012.

Results for strong social hostility such as anti-Semitic attacks, Islamist assaults on churches and Buddhist agitation against Muslims were the highest seen since the series began, reaching 33 percent of surveyed countries in 2012 after 29 percent in 2011 and 20 percent in mid-2007

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Protestants and Catholics are not killing each other across the globe over the interpretation of the New Testament.


They were, quite recently though, now weren't they, Soren?   Roll Eyes

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Brian Ross wrote on Jul 25th, 2014 at 10:06pm:
Yet as the Balkan Wars showed, we still live with the effects of those religious wars from so long ago, Soren. 


It involved Muslims on one side. The only war in Europe since WWII. Rest my case.


Actually, it also involved Catholics against Eastern Orthodox but of course I'd expect you not to remember that, Soren.  As for it involving "Muslims" they were, at the start, ethnically, not religiously "Muslim".  Most had never even seen the inside of a Mosque before the Serbs and Croats started killing them. The Christians actually drove them into the arms of the Islamists who were the only groups who actively aided them when the Christians were rounding them up and shooting them...   Roll Eyes

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And who saved the Muslims there? The US.

Please explain.


The US was faced with a choice - let the Iranians do it or do it themselves.  Guess they decided to do it themselves, Soren.  It wasn't altruism nor their religion which which guided them in this case.  Roll Eyes
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Reply #185 - Jul 26th, 2014 at 2:28pm
 
Israel's rank and rotten fruit is being called fascism


Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/comment/israels-rank-and-rotten-fruit-is-being-called-fascism-20140724-zwd2t.html#ixzz38Xspdpgv

The images from Gaza are searing, a gallery of death and horror. A dishevelled Palestinian man cries out in agony, his blood-soaked little brother dead in his arms. On a filthy hospital bed a boy of perhaps five or six screams for his father, his head and body lacerated by shrapnel. A teenage girl lies on a torn stretcher, her limbs awry, her face and torso blackened like a burnt steak. Mourners weep over a family of 18 men, women and children laid side by side in bloodied shrouds. Four boys of a fishing family named Bakr, all less than 12 years old, are killed on a beach by rockets from Israeli aircraft.

As I write, after just over a week of this invasion, the death toll of Palestinians is climbing towards 1000. Most are civilians, many are children. Assaulting Gaza by land, air and sea, Israel has destroyed homes and reduced entire city blocks to rubble. It has attacked schools, mosques and hospitals. Tens of thousands of people have fled, although there is nowhere safe for them to go in this wretched strip of land just 40 kilometres long and about 10 kilometres wide. There are desperate shortages of food and water, of medical and surgical supplies.

In an open letter to US President Barack Obama, Dr Mads Gilbert, a Norwegian surgeon working at Gaza's al-Shifa hospital, writes of "the incomprehensible chaos of bodies, sizes, limbs, walking, not walking, breathing, not breathing, bleeding, not bleeding humans. Humans!

"Ashy grey faces – Oh no! Not one more load of tens of maimed and bleeding. We still have lakes of blood on the floor in the emergency room, piles of dripping, blood-soaked bandages to clear out ... the cleaners, everywhere, swiftly shovelling the blood and discarded tissues, hair, clothes, cannulas – the leftovers from death – all taken away... to be prepared again, to be repeated all over."

The onslaught is indiscriminate and unrelenting, with but one possible conclusion: Israel is not fighting the terrorists of Hamas. In defiance of the laws of war and the norms of civilised behaviour, it is waging its own war of terror on the entire Gaza population of about 1.7 million people. Call it genocide, call it ethnic cleansing: the aim is to kill Arabs.

As none other than Malcolm Fraser tweeted this week: "If any other country went to war killing as many civilians, women and children, it would be named a war crime." But it is not, although the UN is asking the question of both sides.

Yes, Hamas is also trying to kill Israeli civilians, with a barrage of rockets and guerilla border attacks. It, too, is guilty of terror and grave war crimes. But Israeli citizens and their homes and towns have been effectively shielded by the nation's Iron Dome defence system, and so far only three of its civilians have died in this latest conflict. The Israeli response has been out of all proportion, a monstrous distortion of the much-vaunted right of self defence.

It is a breathtaking irony that these atrocities can be committed by a people with a proud liberal tradition of scholarship and culture, who hold the Warsaw Ghetto and the six million dead of the Holocaust at the centre of their race memory. But this is a new and brutal Israel dominated by the hardline, right-wing Likud Party of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and his coalition. As one observer puts it: "All the seeds of the incitement of the past few years, all the nationalistic, racist legislation and the incendiary propaganda, the scare campaigns and the subversion of democracy by the right-wing camp – all these have borne fruit, and that fruit is rank and rotten. The nationalist right has now sunk to a new level, with almost the whole country following in its wake. The word 'fascism', which I try to use as little as possible, finally has its deserved place in the Israeli political discourse."

Fascism in Israel? At this point the Australian Likudniks, as Bob Carr calls them, will be lunging for their keyboards. There will be the customary torrent of abusive emails calling me a Nazi, an anti-Semite, a Holocaust denier, an ignoramus.  As usual they will demand my resignation, my sacking. As it's been before, some of this will be pornographic or threatening violence.

In fact, that paragraph within the quotation marks was written by an Israeli. Gideon Levy is a columnist and editorial board member of the daily newspaper Ha’aretz. Born in Tel Aviv to parents who fled the Nazi occupation of Czechoslovakia in 1939, he despairs of what his country has become and the catastrophe its armed forces are visiting upon Gaza. After a recent column calling on Israeli pilots to stop bombing and rocketing civilians, his life was threatened and he now has a bodyguard day and night. It has come to that. In the worst insult of all, Levy is branded "a self-hating Jew".

Israeli propaganda is subtle and skillfully put. "If Israel were to lay down its arms tomorrow, she would be destroyed; but if Hamas were to lay down their arms, there would be peace," goes the line, parroted endlessly.

But in all these long and agonising decades, Israel has never offered the Palestinians a just and equitable peace. They would have only a splintered, vassal state, their polity and economy and even their borders and freedom of travel and trade managed and determined by Isr
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Reply #186 - Jul 26th, 2014 at 3:28pm
 
Soren wrote on Jul 25th, 2014 at 11:33pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 25th, 2014 at 10:06pm:
Forgotten Matthew 7:3, Soren?   

Christians today repeat the same mistakes over and over from their own religion's history, yet you seem to think this is a problem isolated to only Muslims.  I wonder why?   



It doesn't. There are no religious wars between Christians.
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 25th, 2014 at 10:06pm:
I believe you persecute Muslims for things which other religions are just as guilty of.


Bollocks. There is no religious strife like Muslim religious strife. Reflex equivocation just makes you look stupid and shallow.

Protestants and Catholics are not killing each other across the globe over the interpretation of the New Testament.

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 25th, 2014 at 10:06pm:
Yet as the Balkan Wars showed, we still live with the effects of those religious wars from so long ago, Soren. 


It involved Muslims on one side.


And Catholics versus Serbian Orthodox on the other. The only European war since WWII?

Oh, old boy, you really are a tease. Always, absolutely, never ever, remember?

You’ve forgotten already. Never mind, old chap, you’re in good hands with us.

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Reply #187 - Jul 27th, 2014 at 12:00am
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 26th, 2014 at 12:15am:
Soren wrote on Jul 25th, 2014 at 11:33pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 25th, 2014 at 10:06pm:
Forgotten Matthew 7:3, Soren?   

Christians today repeat the same mistakes over and over from their own religion's history, yet you seem to think this is a problem isolated to only Muslims.  I wonder why?   



It doesn't. There are no religious wars between Christians.


Forgotten the Balkan Wars of the 1990s?  The Irish Troubles from ~1968 thru to ~1998?  Both in recent memory, the effects still being lived with, Soren.  Oh, what a short memory and perhaps shall we say, convenient memory you suffer from...   Roll Eyes

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Brian Ross wrote on Jul 25th, 2014 at 10:06pm:
I believe you persecute Muslims for things which other religions are just as guilty of.


Bollocks. There is no religious strife like Muslim religious strife.


Really? 
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"Religious hostilities increased in every major region of the world except the Americas," Pew said in its report, the latest such survey in a series based on data back to 2007.

The Washington-based center, which is non-partisan and takes no policy position in its reports, gave no reason for the rises noted in hostility against Christians, Muslims, Jews and an "other" category including Sikhs, Bah'ais and atheists.

Hindus, Buddhists and folk religions saw lower levels of hostility and little change in the past six years, according to the report's extensive data.

As some restrictive countries such as China, Indonesia, Russia and Egypt also have large populations, Pew estimated that 76 percent of the total global population faces some sort of official or informal restriction on their faith.

A report last week by the Christian group Open Doors said documented cases of Christians killed for their faith last year had doubled to 2,123 around the world, with Syria accounting for more than the entire global total in 2012.

Results for strong social hostility such as anti-Semitic attacks, Islamist assaults on churches and Buddhist agitation against Muslims were the highest seen since the series began, reaching 33 percent of surveyed countries in 2012 after 29 percent in 2011 and 20 percent in mid-2007

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Protestants and Catholics are not killing each other across the globe over the interpretation of the New Testament.


They were, quite recently though, now weren't they, Soren?   Roll Eyes

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Brian Ross wrote on Jul 25th, 2014 at 10:06pm:
Yet as the Balkan Wars showed, we still live with the effects of those religious wars from so long ago, Soren. 


It involved Muslims on one side. The only war in Europe since WWII. Rest my case.


Actually, it also involved Catholics against Eastern Orthodox but of course I'd expect you not to remember that, Soren.  As for it involving "Muslims" they were, at the start, ethnically, not religiously "Muslim".  Most had never even seen the inside of a Mosque before the Serbs and Croats started killing them. The Christians actually drove them into the arms of the Islamists who were the only groups who actively aided them when the Christians were rounding them up and shooting them...   Roll Eyes

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And who saved the Muslims there? The US.

Please explain.


The US was faced with a choice - let the Iranians do it or do it themselves.  Guess they decided to do it themselves, Soren.  It wasn't altruism nor their religion which which guided them in this case.  Roll Eyes



By your STUPID reckoning, the first and second world wars were religious wars - because the various sides had, inter alia,  a religion.

Never mind that they were not fighting for religious reasons. You are too stupid to see that. As is Paki Bvgger.
I am simply floored by how stupid you are. Just reeling. Are you both 10 years old? You can't possibly be grown-ups.i
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Reply #188 - Jul 27th, 2014 at 12:16am
 
Soren wrote on Jul 27th, 2014 at 12:00am:
By your STUPID reckoning, the first and second world wars were religious wars - because the various sides had, inter alia,  a religion.


Did they?  I understand you've been trying to claim elsewhere that if a nation has no established, state religion, it cannot therefore be considered a religious nation.  While the UK had and still has, an established state religion, Germany never has, nor did the USA, Russia or Italy or Japan.  Therefore, how could either the first or second world wars be considered religious wars?

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Never mind that they were not fighting for religious reasons. You are too stupid to see that. As is Paki Bvgger.


I agree, Soren so, why do you assume I disagree?  Do you enjoy thatching as a hobby or are you going to take it up professionally?   Roll Eyes

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I am simply floored by how stupid you are. Just reeling. Are you both 10 years old? You can't possibly be grown-ups.


You really don't seem to be doing too well with logic yourself, Soren so I'd be careful about projecting your own failings onto others...   Roll Eyes
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Reply #189 - Jul 27th, 2014 at 12:17am
 
Don’t worry, old chap, no matter what happens, we’ll leave the respirator on.

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Reply #190 - Jul 28th, 2014 at 11:34am
 
Soren wrote on Jul 25th, 2014 at 5:27pm:
|dev|null wrote on Jul 25th, 2014 at 2:50pm:
You really do have problems with reality and logical thinking, don't you?   Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy

You mean you have no answer other than the usual eye swivelling.


Works for me.  Shows how derisively I view your posts! Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy
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Reply #191 - Jul 28th, 2014 at 11:35am
 
Soren wrote on Jul 25th, 2014 at 5:34pm:
|dev|null wrote on Jul 22nd, 2014 at 2:38pm:
Israel helped create Hamas to split the PLO which was united against it.  If you want to blame anybody for what is going on, look to the Israeli Government which has been trying to prevent a rapprochement between the P.A. and Hamas ever since they helped create Hamas.




Grin Grin Grin Grin

Zif the Muslim Arabs needed ANY outside 'help' to be divided and at each other's throat for the slightest little reason. They have been murdering each other since the day Mohammed died - they still live under the storm cloud of the 7th century and their utter inability to live with each other in peace. 


You mean like how Christians have been murdering each since the first schism in their religion?   Grin Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #192 - Jul 28th, 2014 at 1:01pm
 
|dev|null wrote on Jul 28th, 2014 at 11:35am:
Soren wrote on Jul 25th, 2014 at 5:34pm:
|dev|null wrote on Jul 22nd, 2014 at 2:38pm:
Israel helped create Hamas to split the PLO which was united against it.  If you want to blame anybody for what is going on, look to the Israeli Government which has been trying to prevent a rapprochement between the P.A. and Hamas ever since they helped create Hamas.




Grin Grin Grin Grin

Zif the Muslim Arabs needed ANY outside 'help' to be divided and at each other's throat for the slightest little reason. They have been murdering each other since the day Mohammed died - they still live under the storm cloud of the 7th century and their utter inability to live with each other in peace. 


You mean like how Christians have been murdering each since the first schism in their religion?   Grin Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin Grin

Look around you, bozo. There has been no Christian civil war since the Thirty Year War in 17th century.

Muslims are fighting each other in Labia, Egypt, Syria, Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan, Somalia, Bankstown.
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Reply #193 - Jul 28th, 2014 at 1:50pm
 
Soren wrote on Jul 28th, 2014 at 1:01pm:
Look around you, bozo. There has been no Christian civil war since the Thirty Year War in 17th century.


Surely the Troubles in Ireland count as a "Christian civil war" and they were a lot more recent that the Thirty Years War?  Protestants attacking Catholics, Catholics attacking Protestants...   Grin Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #194 - Jul 28th, 2014 at 2:24pm
 
|dev|null wrote on Jul 28th, 2014 at 1:50pm:
Soren wrote on Jul 28th, 2014 at 1:01pm:
Look around you, bozo. There has been no Christian civil war since the Thirty Year War in 17th century.


Surely the Troubles in Ireland count as a "Christian civil war" and they were a lot more recent that the Thirty Years War?  Protestants attacking Catholics, Catholics attacking Protestants...   Grin Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin Grin

It wasn't about religion, it was about union with Ireland or union with the UK.

The Catholics want to be part of Ireland, the Protestants of the UK. They are not at each other over Christian dogma.


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