|dev|null wrote on Jul 9^th, 2014 at 5:23pm:


Terrorism isn’t about body counts, it’s about having beards and balaclavas and looking scary.

That’s why your Muselman is the perfect terrorist - him, and your Antarctic explorer.

Sinister.

Karnal wrote on Jul 9^th, 2014 at 6:02pm:


You will Shi'ite it in then, been issued with your AK 47 yet?

Lionel Edriess wrote on Jul 9^th, 2014 at 8:23pm:


You imply it in your unequal condemnation only of Palestinians.  You only condemn the Israelis when prodded but are more than willing to condemn the Palestinians.  Ever consider the provocations that Palestinians put up with on a daily basis compared to the Israelis?

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Children and women are generally considered non-combatants by most people.  How can the be guilty of anything if they are not participating in the conflict?   Yet, invariably they figure heavily in the casualty statistics.  Logically, therefore, they are innocent of being anything other than bystanders, caught in the crossfire.   

There are no words to describe the horror allegedly done by six Jews to Mohammed Abu Khdeir of Shoafat. Although a gag order bars publication of details of the terrible murder and the identities of its alleged perpetrators, the account of Abu Khdeir’s family — according to which the boy was burned alive — would horrify any mortal. Anyone who is not satisfied with this description, can view the horror movie in which members of Israel’s Border Police are seen brutally beating Tariq Abu Khdeir, the murder victim’s 15-year-old cousin.

The Israel Police was quick to label the murderers “Jewish extremists,” meaning they aren’t part of the herd, they are outliers, “wild weeds.” This is the police’s way of trying to justify a sin, to “make the vermin kosher.” But the vermin is huge, and many-legged. It has embraced the soldiers and other young Israelis who overran the social media networks with calls for revenge and with hatred for Arabs. The vermin was welcomed by Knesset members, rabbis and public figures who demanded revenge. Nor did it skip over the prime minister, who declared “Vengeance for the blood of a small child, Satan has not yet created.”

Abu Khdeir’s murderers are not “Jewish extremists.” They are the descendants and builders of a culture of hate and vengeance that is nurtured and fertilized by the guides of “the Jewish state”: Those for whom every Arab is a bitter enemy, simply because they are Arab; those who were silent at the Beitar Jerusalem games when the team’s fans shouted “death to Arabs” at Arab players; those who call for cleansing the state of its Arab minority, or at least to drive them out of the homes and cities of the Jews.

No less responsible for the murder are those who did not halt, with an iron hand, violence by Israeli soldiers against Palestinian civilians, and who failed to investigate complaints “due to lack of public interest.” The term “Jewish extremists” actually seems more appropriate for the small Jewish minority that is still horrified by these acts of violence and murder. But they too recognize, unfortunately, that they belong to a vengeful, vindictive Jewish tribe whose license to perpetrate horrors is based on the horrors that were done to it.

Prosecuting the murderers is no longer sufficient. There must be a cultural revolution in Israel. Its political leaders and military officers must recognize this injustice and right it. They must begin raising the next generation, at least, on humanist values, and foster a tolerant public discourse. Without these, the Jewish tribe will not be worthy of its own state.

Adamant wrote on Jul 10^th, 2014 at 6:14pm:


Why?   

An act of Terrorism is still an act of Terrorism, no matter who commits it, Lionel.  The Israelis have used terror as a tactic to terrify their opponents, just as Hamas, Hizballah and other Islamic Terrorist organisations.   Yet, as usual, Israel gets let off the hook and we have apologists who attempt to obscure and excuse their acts of Terrorism.   

Lionel Edriess wrote on Jul 11^th, 2014 at 6:38pm:


Except it seems when it's the Israelis? 

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Murder is still murder whether the victim is smothered or their throat is cut, Lionel.  We are discussing a criminal act and the moral revulsion towards it that civilised people feel, not how it occurred or why or where.  Stop attempting to excuse and apologise for it.   

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If the cap fits...

I am using the same logic which so many here display when discussing Islamic Terrorism, Lionel.   If it's good for the goose, it must be good for the gander as well!   

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So, Israel never engages in provocation, Lionel?  Really, yet one of your own sources lists several episodes of it.  Are you contradicting your own source?  We have the recent example of the Palestinian teenager, burnt to death.   As HB suggested, "now that will really calm things down, now won't it"...   

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Perhaps you'd care to explain why Palestinians must remain insensitive to the provocations of the Israelis?

If it is criminal for one side to engage in Terrorism, then it must, ipso facto be criminal for all sides to engage in it, Lionel.