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greggerypeccary

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Re: ban any new mosque
Reply #15 - Jun 23^rd, 2014 at 11:19am

polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2014 at 11:15am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2014 at 9:20pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2014 at 8:13pm:

ban any new mosque.

Most people in there want sharia law over Australia
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Can you substantiate that claim?

Sprint doesn't do substantiation.

Ah yes, my bad.

Grendel, Sprint, et al.

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Reply #16 - Jun 23^rd, 2014 at 12:15pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2014 at 11:19am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2014 at 11:15am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2014 at 9:20pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2014 at 8:13pm:

ban any new mosque.

Most people in there want sharia law over Australia
...

Can you substantiate that claim?

Sprint doesn't do substantiation.

Ah yes, my bad.

Grendel, Sprint, et al.

Here you go peccahead-

The president of the Australian federation of Islamic councils Ikebal Patel has made numerous submissions to the government to allow unconstitutional sharia law in Australia, he calls it legal pluralism.

www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/muslims-use-multiculturalism-to-push-f...

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Leftists and the Ayatollahs have a lot in common when it comes to criticism of Islam, they don't tolerate it.

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greggerypeccary

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Reply #17 - Jun 23^rd, 2014 at 12:28pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2014 at 12:15pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2014 at 11:19am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2014 at 11:15am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2014 at 9:20pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2014 at 8:13pm:

ban any new mosque.

Most people in there want sharia law over Australia
...

Can you substantiate that claim?

Sprint doesn't do substantiation.

Ah yes, my bad.

Grendel, Sprint, et al.

Here you go peccahead-

The president of the Australian federation of Islamic councils Ikebal Patel has made numerous submissions to the government to allow unconstitutional sharia law in Australia, he calls it legal pluralism.

www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/muslims-use-multiculturalism-to-push-f...

Try to keep up. Of course there are people out there who want sharia law.

However, the claim was: "Most people in there want sharia law over Australia".

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/most

Can you substantiate that claim?

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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 40780 Gender:	Re: ban any new mosque Reply #18 - Jun 23^rd, 2014 at 12:38pm Hi Greg, There have been a number of polls taken in moques showing most from there want sharia law in Aust. threads have been here before about it.
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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 139946 Gender:	Re: ban any new mosque Reply #19 - Jun 23^rd, 2014 at 12:45pm Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2014 at 12:38pm: Hi Greg, There have been a number of polls taken in moques showing most from there want sharia law in Aust. threads have been here before about it. http://lmgtfy.com/?q=polls+taken+in+Australian+mosques
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Reply #20 - Jun 23^rd, 2014 at 1:02pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2014 at 12:15pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2014 at 11:19am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2014 at 11:15am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2014 at 9:20pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2014 at 8:13pm:

ban any new mosque.

Most people in there want sharia law over Australia
...

Can you substantiate that claim?

Sprint doesn't do substantiation.

Ah yes, my bad.

Grendel, Sprint, et al.

Here you go peccahead-

The president of the Australian federation of Islamic councils Ikebal Patel has made numerous submissions to the government to allow unconstitutional sharia law in Australia, he calls it legal pluralism.

www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/muslims-use-multiculturalism-to-push-f...

Good point about the constitution, Baron. The president of the Australian federation of Islamic councils Ikebal Patel states in your article:

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"It is important for someone who is Muslim or a practising Jew that aspects of our religion which can be incorporated within the greater legal system are introduced.

"This is about personal issues about family, and won't affect any other Australian," he said.

"It's about a system that does not impinge on the rights of any other Australian."

It sounds a bit like the dispute resolution processes, or "courts", already established by Jews. Here's an article posted by Wally:

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VICTORIA'S Jewish community has set up a special court to resolve disputes involving its members.

Specially trained rabbis will handle civil and commercial issues using a combination of Jewish and Australian law.

The court, known as a Beth Din, has previously only dealt with matters relating to divorce and the conversion to Judaism.

Rabbinical Council of Victoria president Rabbi Meir Shlomo Kluwgant said the court would offer parties arbitration and mediation to resolve disputes so they wouldn't need to go through the normal legal system.

"It's not trying to go beyond the law - quite the opposite - it's trying to support the law by creating a venue within the community to resolve disputes," he said.

As you can see - all constitutional, and all within the law. These are processes for family and civil disputes, not criminal ones. No one is arguing for separate criminal courts, which of course would be illegal under the constitution.

What is also illegal under the constitution is discriminating against different forms of worship. Banning religious organizations would require a change to the constitution. Such a change would require a majority vote in both houses of parliament to propose a referendum, followed by a majority vote by Australians to accept a change to the constitution.

The only historical precedent for such constitutional change was Menzies' 1951 referendum to ban the Communist Party. Australians overwhealmingly voted against it. It failed.

So I ask you this: who is advocating changes to our laws and way of life here - those who seek dispute resolution or mediation processes that are recommended under Australian law?

Or those who seek to overturn the constitution to ban people's freedom of worship?

I look forward to your thoughts.

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wally1 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2055 Gender:	Re: ban any new mosque Reply #21 - Jun 23^rd, 2014 at 1:06pm Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2014 at 12:38pm: Hi Greg, There have been a number of polls taken in moques showing most from there want sharia law in Aust. threads have been here before about it. Show us the poll?
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Reply #22 - Jun 23^rd, 2014 at 1:09pm

wally1 wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2014 at 1:06pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2014 at 12:38pm:

Hi Greg,

There have been a number of polls taken in moques showing most from there want sharia law in Aust.

threads have been here before about it.

Show us the poll?

I'll speed this up a bit, Wally.

polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2014 at 11:15am:

Sprint doesn't do substantiation.

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: ban any new mosque Reply #23 - Jun 23^rd, 2014 at 1:11pm Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2014 at 12:38pm: Hi Greg, There have been a number of polls taken in moques showing most from there want sharia law in Aust. threads have been here before about it. Would you mind citing one - with a link? Thanks.
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Karnal Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 96759	Re: ban any new mosque Reply #24 - Jun 23^rd, 2014 at 1:27pm Sprint doesn't do substantiation, G. Christians aren't perfect, you know, just forgiven.
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Reply #25 - Jun 23^rd, 2014 at 2:26pm

Karnal wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2014 at 1:27pm:

Sprint doesn't do substantiation, G.

Christians aren't perfect, you know, just forgiven.

When i showed a pie chart stating jews committed more terrorism than muslims, sprint called it a bogus chart.

All of a sudden he claims to have a poll stating muslims wants shariah law in australia and is happy to beleive that, if a poll does exist in bogus imagination.

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Re: ban any new mosque
Reply #26 - Jun 23^rd, 2014 at 2:29pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2014 at 1:11pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2014 at 12:38pm:

Hi Greg,

There have been a number of polls taken in moques showing most from there want sharia law in Aust.

threads have been here before about it.

Would you mind citing one - with a link?

Thanks.

You need to wait in line gandalf, im still waiting for sprints proof that the time span between Adam to Mohamed was 2500 years.

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Reply #27 - Jun 23^rd, 2014 at 4:39pm

wally1 wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2014 at 2:26pm:

Karnal wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2014 at 1:27pm:

Sprint doesn't do substantiation, G.

Christians aren't perfect, you know, just forgiven.

When i showed a pie chart stating jews committed more terrorism than muslims, sprint called it a bogus chart.

All of a sudden he claims to have a poll stating muslims wants shariah law in australia and is happy to beleive that, if a poll does exist in bogus imagination.

Yes, but Sprint must know things that aren't included in your graph. He must be going off confessions, eyewitness statements and intelligence reports. I imagine most of this is hush-hush and for Sprint's eyes only.

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Re: ban any new mosque
Reply #28 - Jun 23^rd, 2014 at 5:56pm

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.......A random survey of 100 representative mosques in the U.S. was conducted to measure the correlation between Sharia adherence and dogma calling for violence against non-believers. Of the 100 mosques surveyed, 51% had texts on site rated as severely advocating violence; 30% had texts rated as moderately advocating violence; and 19% had no violent texts at all. Mosques that presented as Sharia adherent were more likely to feature violence-positive texts on site than were their non-Sharia-adherent counterparts. In 84.5% of the mosques, the imam recommended studying violence-positive texts. The leadership at Sharia-adherent mosques was more likely to recommend that a worshipper study violence-positive texts than leadership at non-Sharia-adherent mosques. Fifty-eight percent of the mosques invited guest imams known to promote violent jihad. The leadership of mosques that featured violence-positive literature was more likely to invite guest imams who were known to promote violent jihad than was the leadership of mosques that did not feature violence-positive literature on mosque premises.......... ......

http://pamelageller.com/2011/12/study-shows-majority-of-us-mosques-repositories-...

your pie chart had no references

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: ban any new mosque Reply #29 - Jun 23^rd, 2014 at 6:42pm Do you have any evidence thats actually relevant to your claim sprint?
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