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Reply #120 - Jul 10^th, 2014 at 12:29pm

Soren wrote on Jul 10^th, 2014 at 11:38am:

I have nothing against Germans who renounced Nazism, Russians who renounced Stalinism and Communism, or any [your nationality here] who renounce [your distasteful supremacist ideology here].

Yes, old chap, but we still haven't heard you renounce your unique school of Freudianism.

Where there was ego, there shall carpet bombing be, no?

Where there was id, there shall correllation not causation be, yes?

Marvellous stuff.

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Reply #121 - Jul 10^th, 2014 at 6:40pm

Karnal wrote on Jul 10^th, 2014 at 12:26pm:

Soren wrote on Jul 10^th, 2014 at 11:38am:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 10^th, 2014 at 12:07am:

Lionel Edriess wrote on Jul 9^th, 2014 at 9:26pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 9^th, 2014 at 8:42pm:

The first step to recovery is admitting you have a problem and if Soren admits he's a bigot, there may be hope for him afterall.

I think that's as likely as you ever admitting your own intolerance toward opposing opinions and basing your arguments on established science.

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Oh, I've always admitted I have little tolerance for racism, bigotry, intolerance, discrimination, hatred and so on, based as it is invariably on pseudoscience and bigotry, Lionel. Do you believe such should be accepted and tolerated? Roll Eyes

You simply label opposing opinions as "racism, bigotry, intolerance, discrimination, hatred" to save yourself from needing to think, let alone to make a coherent point, Brain.
Your only argument, ever, is "it's not everty single Muslim who is bad therefore Islam cannot be the reason for the bad Muslims.'

But I think the bad Muslims are motivated precisely by Islam, not least because they say so themselves, loud and clear. I take them at their word and deeds.

I say, dear boy, are there any Muslims you know who own up to racism, bigotry and intolerance?

Would you care to own up to this yourself?

In the words of your dear poetess, please explain.

I will be nice for once to you. I will explain that the muslim belief system makes them perfect in the eyes of the ummah, (muslim family/nation) they can do no wrong against the kafir (you the filth that does not believe). They will not tell you this until Australian muslims reach about 15% of the general population. When they achieve over 50% they will start to kill all who do not believe in the filth they call allah.

Please grow up! Look at Nigeria. Look at what we will become unless we say NO.

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Reply #122 - Jul 10^th, 2014 at 7:07pm

Mate Karnal is that boy at school who comes out with sarcasm and wit that only he can understand when asked to indulge in reality by his peers.
His main objective on this board is to run around after Soren like a little puppy and offer a sarcastic and irrelevant answer to any of his posts.
There are undoubtedly paid or non paid extremists on this board who are here to cause distraction.Shame really because when Karnal puts his mind to it he can come up with a good dialogue that very nearly offers an opinion.
Either that or he just copies and pastes,sadly we will never know because he quickly reverts to banal wit soon afterwards. Sad

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Reply #123 - Jul 10^th, 2014 at 7:14pm

brumbie wrote on Jul 10^th, 2014 at 7:07pm:

Mate Karnal is that boy at school who comes out with sarcasm and wit that only he can understand when asked to indulge in reality by his peers.
His main objective on this board is to run around after Soren like a little puppy and offer a sarcastic and irrelevant answer to any of his posts.
There are undoubtedly paid or non paid extremists on this board who are here to cause distraction.Shame really because when Karnal puts his mind to it he can come up with a good dialogue that very nearly offers an opinion.
Either that or he just copies and pastes,sadly we will never know because he quickly reverts to banal wit soon afterwards. Sad

Karnal's weapon of choice is humour. He uses it well.

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brumbie Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 994 Gender:	Re: muslim pioneers? Reply #124 - Jul 10^th, 2014 at 7:33pm MOTR wrote on Jul 10^th, 2014 at 7:14pm: Karnal's weapon of choice is humour. He uses it well. Perhaps it needs sharpening;he could try the blarney stone: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blarney_Stone
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Reply #125 - Jul 10^th, 2014 at 7:48pm

Soren wrote on Jul 10^th, 2014 at 11:38am:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 10^th, 2014 at 12:07am:

Lionel Edriess wrote on Jul 9^th, 2014 at 9:26pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 9^th, 2014 at 8:42pm:

The first step to recovery is admitting you have a problem and if Soren admits he's a bigot, there may be hope for him afterall.

I think that's as likely as you ever admitting your own intolerance toward opposing opinions and basing your arguments on established science.

Cool

Oh, I've always admitted I have little tolerance for racism, bigotry, intolerance, discrimination, hatred and so on, based as it is invariably on pseudoscience and bigotry, Lionel. Do you believe such should be accepted and tolerated? Roll Eyes

You simply label opposing opinions as "racism, bigotry, intolerance, discrimination, hatred" to save yourself from needing to think, let alone to make a coherent point, Brain.

Actually, no I don't, Soren. I usually carefully draw my opponent's argument out and demonstrate to them how they are being "racist/bigoted/discriminatory/hating/etc." and that is what annoys you because you know you're been trapped in your own web.

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Your only argument, ever, is "it's not everty single Muslim who is bad therefore Islam cannot be the reason for the bad Muslims.'

No, that is not my only argument and for you to attempt to claim it is merely demonstrates how poorly you've understand the numerous different points I've made, Soren. Roll Eyes

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But I think the bad Muslims are motivated precisely by Islam, not least because they say so themselves, loud and clear. I take them at their word and deeds. Islam is self-evidently an intolerant creed, both inward and outward. Pointing this out - or hearing it from Muslims - is not "racism, bigotry, intolerance, discrimination, hatred".

How interesting, yet when ever the point is made that Christian Terrorists who commit atrocities are motivated by their religion, you, amongst others, attempt to claim they aren't. Appears to be something wrong with your logic.

The reality is that Terrorists are invariably motivated by their own, private interpretations of what ever tract they are drawing inspiration from, Soren, whether it's Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism or anything else. That Muslim Terrorists are having a hard time convincing their co-religionists to support them in their madness seems to have passed you by or you're deliberately ignoring it, preferring instead to display your usual bigotry towards all Muslims and all matters Islamic. Roll Eyes

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You can look at any country's security plans, defence against ISLAMIC terrorism is central to all their plans.

Bet you I can name several nations where that isn't true, Soren. Care to take me up on that bet? Grin

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It is evidently a GOOD THING to be intolerant against Islamic terrorism, jihad, caliphate-preaching and agitation for return to the 7th century Arab standards of life.

Couldn't agree more but the problem is, you're not just intolerant against Islamic Terrorism, Soren, you're intolerant against EVERYTHING Islamic and ALL Muslims. Roll Eyes

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I have nothing against anyone or any hue who has been born Muslim and is against the Islamic teachings that have been fuelling violence, oppression, superstition and completely baseless superiority complex since Islam burst out of Araby 1400 years ago.

I am amazed, utterly amazed. How many posts, Soren and you've finally admitted that your blanket attacks on everything Islamic and all Muslims has been wrong? Shocked

If it's true, that is. Roll Eyes

Lets see if your reform lasts, shall we? It appears you've been cured of and have renounced bigotry. Perhaps.

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Reply #127 - Jul 10^th, 2014 at 10:21pm

hermoine wrote on Jul 10^th, 2014 at 9:47pm:

Karnal, if I were muslim I would sign up for the jihad so I could take advantage of the 69 circumcised, underage girls like Ayisha. What I wouldn't do is p.i.s.s off to an infidel country like Australia,,abandon my brethren, guzzle down big macs and insult said country's history and heritage

Well, you obviously do not understand the bludgerhadeen, Hermie.

PB will explain. away. He always does. It's all Marxist, Saidist, Fvckauldian sociology, don't you know.

PB, do your stuff, there's a good thirdy-worldy social theorist.

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Reply #128 - Jul 10^th, 2014 at 10:23pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 10^th, 2014 at 7:48pm:

Actually, no I don't, Soren. I usually carefully draw my opponent's argument out and demonstrate to them how they are being "racist/bigoted/discriminatory/hating/etc." and that is what annoys you because you know you're been trapped in your own web.

I have just carefully fallen off the chair, Brain.

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Reply #129 - Jul 10^th, 2014 at 10:25pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 10^th, 2014 at 7:48pm:

How interesting, yet when ever the point is made that Christian Terrorists who commit atrocities are motivated by their religion, you, amongst others, attempt to claim they aren't. Appears to be something wrong with your logic.

Example please, Brain, or be forever known as one who is speaking through your arse when squeezed.

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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: muslim pioneers? Reply #130 - Jul 10^th, 2014 at 10:33pm Brian Ross wrote on Jul 10^th, 2014 at 7:48pm: Couldn't agree more but the problem is, you're not just intolerant against Islamic Terrorism, Soren, you're intolerant against EVERYTHING Islamic and ALL Muslims. I really like Ayan Hirsi Ali, Wafa Sultan, Ibn Warraq, Salman Rushdie. Really, really like them. They are Muslims.
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Reply #131 - Jul 10^th, 2014 at 10:40pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 10^th, 2014 at 7:48pm:

I am amazed, utterly amazed. How many posts, Soren and you've finally admitted that your blanket attacks on everything Islamic and all Muslims has been wrong? Shocked

If it's true, that is. Roll Eyes

Lets see if your reform lasts, shall we? It appears you've been cured of and have renounced bigotry. Perhaps.

You are pretending to be amazed because you are an idiot who is pretending to be unable to distinguish between Islam as a religion and Islam as a political ideology.

You are not helped by Islam not making the distinction but actually making a very strong and undissolvable bond between private religious devotion and public political jihadi activism. Islam is always political,never merely devotional. The personal devotion of the hijab, for example, is political, as Carol Hanisch would have put it.

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Reply #132 - Jul 10^th, 2014 at 10:44pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 10^th, 2014 at 7:48pm:

I am amazed, utterly amazed. How many posts, Soren and you've finally admitted that your blanket attacks on everything Islamic and all Muslims has been wrong? Shocked

If it's true, that is. Roll Eyes

Lets see if your reform lasts, shall we? It appears you've been cured of and have renounced bigotry. Perhaps.

What sad little pensioner you are, Brain, imagining that you somehow occupy the high ground from which to judge, objectively in your mind, whether some views are acceptable or not.

Your delusion and lack of awareness is 'amazing'.

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Reply #133 - Jul 10^th, 2014 at 11:34pm

Soren wrote on Jul 10^th, 2014 at 10:23pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 10^th, 2014 at 7:48pm:

Actually, no I don't, Soren. I usually carefully draw my opponent's argument out and demonstrate to them how they are being "racist/bigoted/discriminatory/hating/etc." and that is what annoys you because you know you're been trapped in your own web.

I have just carefully fallen off the chair, Brain.

The wacky-backy does that I understand, Soren. Grin

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Reply #134 - Jul 10^th, 2014 at 11:35pm

Soren wrote on Jul 10^th, 2014 at 10:33pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 10^th, 2014 at 7:48pm:

Couldn't agree more but the problem is, you're not just intolerant against Islamic Terrorism, Soren, you're intolerant against EVERYTHING Islamic and ALL Muslims. Roll Eyes

I really like Ayan Hirsi Ali, Wafa Sultan, Ibn Warraq, Salman Rushdie. Really, really like them. They are Muslims.

Yes but when you spray your words of hatred against all Muslims you mean them as well, you realise? Roll Eyes

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