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hermoine Senior Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 364	Re: muslim pioneers? Reply #60 - Jul 5^th, 2014 at 10:43pm Thats the same bloke who said we'd never again see significant rainfal in this country.
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Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 42348	Re: muslim pioneers? Reply #61 - Jul 6^th, 2014 at 12:37am hermoine wrote on Jul 5^th, 2014 at 10:43pm: Thats the same bloke who said we'd never again see significant rainfal in this country. As the book quotes from diaries and newspaper articles of the day, I rather think meteorological predications of the author have no relevance really to the topic, don't you?
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hermoine Senior Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 364	Re: muslim pioneers? Reply #62 - Jul 6^th, 2014 at 8:07am It just illuminates the fact that Flannery's another leftist puppet that thinks it knows more than it does. Treat EVERYTHING he says with suspicion.
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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 96482	Re: muslim pioneers? Reply #63 - Jul 6^th, 2014 at 11:11am Easy. The reference to the primary source should be in.the back of Flannery’s book. Quote that, and Hermoine will do the decent thing and apologise for getting her facts wrong again.
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hermoine Senior Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 364	Re: muslim pioneers? Reply #64 - Jul 6^th, 2014 at 12:01pm Flannery blurts out inflammatory slogans for publicity. I don't rate anything that so-called academic/historian says/prints, regardless of how much the luvvies worship him.
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Reply #65 - Jul 6^th, 2014 at 1:14pm

hermoine wrote on Jul 6^th, 2014 at 12:01pm:

Flannery blurts out inflammatory slogans for publicity. I don't rate anything that so-called academic/historian says/prints, regardless of how much the luvvies worship him.

Checking his reference to First Fleet records is easy to do, dear. If he’s made them up, you can have a chuckle.

If they’re found to be accurate (and why would he lie?), you’ll need to do the decent thing and suck Brain’s slug.

They’re your rules, dear.

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hermoine Senior Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 364	Re: muslim pioneers? Reply #66 - Jul 6^th, 2014 at 1:19pm Why would he lie? Let me see. Oh, yeah, why would anyone buy his crap-manifesto if it didn't have a few 'sensational' claims in it, like muslims were on the first fleet. Pleeeeaaassseee.
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Reply #67 - Jul 6^th, 2014 at 1:25pm

hermoine wrote on Jul 6^th, 2014 at 8:07am:

It just illuminates the fact that Flannery's another leftist puppet that thinks it knows more than it does. Treat EVERYTHING he says with suspicion.

Yet again, I will point out, he quotes from primary sources. Are you denying those primary sources? If someone wrote in 1789 there were Muslims on the First Fleet, you don't think they should be believed? Roll Eyes

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hermoine Senior Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 364	Re: muslim pioneers? Reply #68 - Jul 6^th, 2014 at 1:31pm If you look at the first fleet manifesto you'll find a lot of Mahmouds and Mustaphas among all the Edwards and Annes!
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Reply #69 - Jul 6^th, 2014 at 1:44pm

hermoine wrote on Jul 6^th, 2014 at 1:31pm:

If you look at the first fleet manifesto you'll find a lot of Mahmouds and Mustaphas among all the Edwards and Annes!
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I think the word you're looking for, Hermoine is "manifest", not "manifesto".

It is also the wrong word, as a "manifest" refers to goods carried by a ship, not the personnel. The actual words you're after are "ship's roll" and yes, there were not insignificant numbers of ship crew who were Laskers (from modern day Pakistan), Malays and other Muslim regions. This was not uncommon on the ships of the day, including those of the Royal Navy. If you look at the Nelson Column memorial in Trafalgar Square in London, you'll discover a frieze carved into it's base depicting scenes from the Battle of Trafalgar, amongst the seamen depicted there are Negro and Asian faces.

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hermoine Senior Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 364	Re: muslim pioneers? Reply #70 - Jul 6^th, 2014 at 1:47pm Who cares about the battle of trafalgar? There were no muslims on the first fleet, the first fleet manifest (ok manifest) states it in black and white. Then again do-gooders dont care about facts.
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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 96482	Re: muslim pioneers? Reply #71 - Jul 6^th, 2014 at 2:53pm Kindly check the reference, BR. It would seem poor Hermoine expects them to lie about Mohammedans in the manifest.
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hermoine Senior Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 364	Re: muslim pioneers? Reply #72 - Jul 6^th, 2014 at 3:00pm If you douches really believe that there were mussos on the first fleet then put it up. You won't because it's a known fact that there weren't any Mussos don't start up civilisations, they turn them to crap and finish them.
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hermoine Senior Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 364	Re: muslim pioneers? Reply #73 - Jul 6^th, 2014 at 3:14pm I wouldn't believe a thing you say regarding Australian history Karnal going by your track record. The First Fleet got their water from waterholes the aborigines led them to. That's primary school history. See you wogs know bugger all about Australians.
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Adamant Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1892 Brisbane	Re: muslim pioneers? Reply #74 - Jul 6^th, 2014 at 5:54pm Bump
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