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Re: Gillard's apologists ignore the truth!
Reply #45 - Jul 1^st, 2014 at 1:02am

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 1^st, 2014 at 12:26am:

Grendel wrote on Jun 30^th, 2014 at 10:27pm:

NDIS? The Libs were going to bring it in too Bwian...

Yes but only after considerable prodding of the then Opposition leader, Beowulf. Roll Eyes

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Also I doubt Wong and others voted her out because she was a woman BTW Cheesy

Penny may not have but then how do you explain the attitudes of the then Opposition towards her supposed "barrenness", etc.? Roll Eyes

Irrelevant really - stupid thing to even bring in to the discussion, like saying Christopher Pine Coffin (did you know there was a colonel in the Brit Para 1st Brigade in WWII named Pine-Coffin? Trivia question of the day. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Geoffrey_Pine-Coffin) has dry balls..... may be true but who cares - it's his lack of a mind that is the worry.

As I pointed out elsewhere, though, she did make big noises about 'Asians will become middle class consumer of high quality finished goods!" - as if we actually made any such thing and we should all be tap-dancing on the roof at our looming mega-prosperity...... when the reality was the banana skins were beginning to slide on the decks of the boats leaving our shores....

Like the rest of them she had and has no idea what she is talking about in the real world, and was severely limited to sound bites, far too often for the purported 'feminist' lobby that we've all seen far to much of already. Must be the water in the bubblers up there in Canberra...

Oh and two Wongs don't make a Right.....

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\|dev\|null Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4434 Gender:	Re: Gillard's apologists ignore the truth! Reply #46 - Jul 1^st, 2014 at 10:57am I don't think anyone disputes that she had her failings as a politician but as a PM she did much better than her opponents have claimed.
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King FriYAY II Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2109	Re: Gillard's apologists ignore the truth! Reply #47 - Jul 1^st, 2014 at 11:02am I'd take Gillard before Kevin O'lemon or Tony "let's create the dumbest budget in history and only last 1 term" Abbott.
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Re: Gillard's apologists ignore the truth!
Reply #48 - Jul 1^st, 2014 at 11:17am

Honestly, who cares about Julia Gillard anymore? Fact is she was the best PM we had since Howard. People should be concerned about Tony Abbott, he is by far the most unpopular and dangerous PM in Australian history. I have no doubt this latest budget is about 'punishing' the electorate due to the collective bruised egos of the Coalition having had to sit in opposition so long and tolerate the Rudd/Gillard fiasco. This is basically blackmail, making the people pay for their democratic indulgences. It will be worse for you if you don't cooperate, etc.

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: Gillard's apologists ignore the truth! Reply #49 - Jul 1^st, 2014 at 11:34am what an absurd leap in logic: labor MPs feared for their own seats because labor was doing so badly in the polls - therefore Gillard's overthrow had nothing to do with misogyny. Why was labor doing badly in the polls?
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Re: Gillard's apologists ignore the truth!
Reply #50 - Jul 1^st, 2014 at 11:34am

Winston Smith wrote on Jul 1^st, 2014 at 11:17am:

Honestly, who cares about Julia Gillard anymore? Fact is she was the best PM we had since Howard. People should be concerned about Tony Abbott, he is by far the most unpopular and dangerous PM in Australian history. I have no doubt this latest budget is about 'punishing' the electorate due to the collective bruised egos of the Coalition having had to sit in opposition so long and tolerate the Rudd/Gillard fiasco. This is basically blackmail, making the people pay for their democratic indulgences. It will be worse for you if you don't cooperate, etc.

Agreed Abbott hates the Australian punter don't swoon to him, he needs to prove he's a man and so takes it out upon those he thinks cant fight back, he hate being a half time Australian more in love with England than Australia, which is all Australians fault and they must be crippled to show the world he such a man!

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Dnarever Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 58161 Here Gender:	Re: Gillard's apologists ignore the truth! Reply #51 - Jul 1^st, 2014 at 11:39am Quote: Gillard's apologists ignore the truth! Referring to something printed in the Telegraph ??? Won't find the truth there.
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Kat Gold Member Offline Socialism IS the answer. Posts: 17709 Everywhere and no-where Gender:	Re: Gillard's apologists ignore the truth! Reply #52 - Jul 1^st, 2014 at 2:06pm Gillard's detractors can't RECOGNISE the truth. Still pushing the CT misquote after all this time, for example. Or 'Swann, the world's worst treasurer'. Funny, the rest of the world don't think so. And the 'biased ABC' bullsh1t. Tell 'em the sky is blue, they'd insist it was red and call you a liar.
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labor are corrupt Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1501	Re: Gillard's apologists ignore the truth! Reply #53 - Jul 1^st, 2014 at 7:07pm Gillard the biggest liar in australian politics. She made a few beds and lay in them.
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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 74255 Gender:	Re: Gillard's apologists ignore the truth! Reply #54 - Jul 1^st, 2014 at 8:04pm labor are corrupt wrote on Jul 1^st, 2014 at 7:07pm: Gillard the biggest liar in australian politics. She made a few beds and lay in them. take off your blinkers
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Dnarever Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 58161 Here Gender:	Re: Gillard's apologists ignore the truth! Reply #55 - Jul 1^st, 2014 at 8:05pm labor are corrupt wrote on Jul 1^st, 2014 at 7:07pm: Gillard the biggest liar in australian politics. She made a few beds and lay in them. She inadvertently broke 1 promise ? Abbott broke about 15 just in the budget ??? I think we all know who the bigger liar is and it's not Gillard.
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Re: Gillard's apologists ignore the truth!
Reply #56 - Jul 1^st, 2014 at 8:17pm

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 1^st, 2014 at 1:02am:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 1^st, 2014 at 12:26am:

Grendel wrote on Jun 30^th, 2014 at 10:27pm:

NDIS? The Libs were going to bring it in too Bwian...

Yes but only after considerable prodding of the then Opposition leader, Beowulf. Roll Eyes

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Also I doubt Wong and others voted her out because she was a woman BTW Cheesy

Penny may not have but then how do you explain the attitudes of the then Opposition towards her supposed "barrenness", etc.? Roll Eyes

Irrelevant really - stupid thing to even bring in to the discussion, like saying Christopher Pine Coffin (did you know there was a colonel in the Brit Para 1st Brigade in WWII named Pine-Coffin? Trivia question of the day. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Geoffrey_Pine-Coffin) has dry balls..... may be true but who cares - it's his lack of a mind that is the worry.

The question of his fertility wouldn't even be mentioned yet it was, recurringly about Gillard. That is IMO sexism.

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As I pointed out elsewhere, though, she did make big noises about 'Asians will become middle class consumer of high quality finished goods!" - as if we actually made any such thing and we should all be tap-dancing on the roof at our looming mega-prosperity...... when the reality was the banana skins were beginning to slide on the decks of the boats leaving our shores....

Like the rest of them she had and has no idea what she is talking about in the real world, and was severely limited to sound bites, far too often for the purported 'feminist' lobby that we've all seen far to much of already. Must be the water in the bubblers up there in Canberra...

Oh and two Wongs don't make a Right.....

*YAWN*, you aiming for a soundgrab?

Gillard wasn't perfect, far from it. She was quite successful as a PM. She was a poor performer in front of the cameras and allowed the Opposition to seize the initiative and retain control of it. However, in the ways in which PM's success is measured, she excelled. She never had a no-confidence motion moved against her, despite the Opposition's rhetoric and all her legislative agenda was passed.

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Re: Gillard's apologists ignore the truth!
Reply #57 - Jul 1^st, 2014 at 10:08pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 1^st, 2014 at 8:17pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 1^st, 2014 at 1:02am:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 1^st, 2014 at 12:26am:

Grendel wrote on Jun 30^th, 2014 at 10:27pm:

NDIS? The Libs were going to bring it in too Bwian...

Yes but only after considerable prodding of the then Opposition leader, Beowulf. Roll Eyes

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Also I doubt Wong and others voted her out because she was a woman BTW Cheesy

Penny may not have but then how do you explain the attitudes of the then Opposition towards her supposed "barrenness", etc.? Roll Eyes

Irrelevant really - stupid thing to even bring in to the discussion, like saying Christopher Pine Coffin (did you know there was a colonel in the Brit Para 1st Brigade in WWII named Pine-Coffin? Trivia question of the day. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Geoffrey_Pine-Coffin) has dry balls..... may be true but who cares - it's his lack of a mind that is the worry.

The question of his fertility wouldn't even be mentioned yet it was, recurringly about Gillard. That is IMO sexism.

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As I pointed out elsewhere, though, she did make big noises about 'Asians will become middle class consumer of high quality finished goods!" - as if we actually made any such thing and we should all be tap-dancing on the roof at our looming mega-prosperity...... when the reality was the banana skins were beginning to slide on the decks of the boats leaving our shores....

Like the rest of them she had and has no idea what she is talking about in the real world, and was severely limited to sound bites, far too often for the purported 'feminist' lobby that we've all seen far to much of already. Must be the water in the bubblers up there in Canberra...

Oh and two Wongs don't make a Right.....

*YAWN*, you aiming for a soundgrab?

Gillard wasn't perfect, far from it. She was quite successful as a PM. She was a poor performer in front of the cameras and allowed the Opposition to seize the initiative and retain control of it. However, in the ways in which PM's success is measured, she excelled. She never had a no-confidence motion moved against her, despite the Opposition's rhetoric and all her legislative agenda was passed.

" She never had a no-confidence motion moved against her,"

Lol that's because she got knifed by bill shorten who I may add agreed with everything she said.

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Re: Gillard's apologists ignore the truth!
Reply #58 - Jul 1^st, 2014 at 10:17pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 1^st, 2014 at 12:23am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 30^th, 2014 at 7:40pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 30^th, 2014 at 7:05pm:

cods wrote on Jun 30^th, 2014 at 4:02pm:

Kat wrote on Jun 30^th, 2014 at 3:43pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 30^th, 2014 at 3:36pm:

Link not included as I'm posting from my iPhone for the first time. Article from Daily Telegraph.

And it shows.

Spiteful, baseless comment, lots of lies, and the barest smattering of half-truths.

Yellow gutter-journalism at its pathetic worst.

And no, I wasn't a Gillard supporter, so don't even bother going there.

how about you tell us the REAL truth then kat??>..

has the smh done a review yet?

|dev|null wrote on Jun 30^th, 2014 at 3:45pm:

And the Daily Telegraph is of course unbiased on the matter of Julia Gillard, isn't it?

Gillard was a much better PM than the idiot we presently have as our Dear Leader. She never attacked disabled Australians! Grin

thats right SHE ONLY ATTACKED SINGLE MOTHERS... from memory.....ooops didnt she vote against a pay increase for pensioners as well>>oooops Roll Eyes

own goal.

Gillard introduced the NDIS, which rather proves her credentials compared to Tone Rabbit as far as regard for the disabled goes, I think.

Gillard was actually a skilled negotiator. During her term as PM of a minority government she retained the confidence of the House and has all her legislative agenda passed, often it should be noted with the support of the Coalition.

The Coalition, despite all it's histrionics was unable to garner the numbers in the House to pass a vote of no-confidence and in fact never tried. Instead all they did was disrupt proceedings and insult her as much as possible. The only thing we've seen change is that they are the Government and they use the "c" word to describe the Leader of the Opposition, something no one in Labor ever has.

I think she deserves a lot more credit than she necessarily gets. Indeed, most of the criticism of her performance centres around her femininity which is IMO sexism. Roll Eyes

First of all, the NDIS wasn't fully funded and secondly her gender had zero to do with her downfall.

Actually, it had a great deal to do with it. The attitudes of many on both sides of politics was that she was "barren" and that had "sacrificed her potential child bearing to her political ambitions", things which have never been mentioned about her male predecessors or successors. Perhaps if Tim had been able to have kids, all would have been right? Roll Eyes

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It was all about her policies and her incompetence - the same reasons for Rudd's downfall TWICE!!!

Yet, as I pointed out, despite her supposed "incompetence", Gilliard got all her legislation through both houses of Parliament despite leading a minority government. She also retained the confidence of the House. Compare that with Tone's performance leading a majority government... Roll Eyes

yes Bwian most of it was allowed through by the opposition unopposed and unamended. Wassup bwian logic and reason and facts left you completely these days?

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labor are corrupt Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1501	Re: Gillard's apologists ignore the truth! Reply #59 - Jul 1^st, 2014 at 10:33pm Gillard lied her way into government and bought her stay there with taxpayers money.
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