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\|dev\|null Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4434 Gender:	Re: Gillard's apologists ignore the truth! Reply #60 - Jul 2^nd, 2014 at 10:34am labor are corrupt wrote on Jul 1^st, 2014 at 10:33pm: Gillard lied her way into government and bought her stay there with taxpayers money. And how is this different from what the Mad Monk or any other politician has done? Forgotten "core" and "non-core" promises?
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buzzanddidj Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 14169 Eganstown, via Daylesford, VIC Gender:	Re: Gillard's apologists ignore the truth! Reply #61 - Jul 2^nd, 2014 at 2:53pm labor are corrupt wrote on Jul 1^st, 2014 at 10:33pm: Gillard lied her way into government
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Re: Gillard's apologists ignore the truth!
Reply #62 - Jul 2^nd, 2014 at 3:04pm

Julia Gillard is often condemned as a low, underhanded, conniving, back-stabbing, self-interested, ineffectual, dishonest, ideology-ridden, name-calling usurper of the People's right to choose its leader.

Tony Abbott is often condemned as a low, underhanded, conniving, back-stabbing, self-interested, ineffectual, dishonest, ideology-ridden, name-calling usurper of the People's right to choose its leader.

I see a huge difference between the two.... but I am more concerned with the demise of this country under theri 'leadership'....

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Reply #63 - Jul 2^nd, 2014 at 3:32pm

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...............For example, here’s a tearful Penny Wong explaining to Gillard why she’s abandoning her fellow feminist to support Kevin Rudd: “It’s the South Australian seats.”

Former justice minister Jason Clare was just as blunt, apparently giving an identical reason for his own switch to Rudd: “It’s about my seat.”

So forget the myth-building about the Australian electorate being unable to cope with a visionary first female prime minister. In politics, it always comes down to self-preservation.

Gillard’s ousting in 2013 had more to do with electorates like Blaxland, Hindmarsh and Wakefield than it had to do with any broader sociopolitical issues................

people wer voting against the alp because they governed poorly.
Illegals flooding in.
debt ballooning.
Govt in 'disharmony', distrusted by businesses in Aust.
Govt wrecking any international reputation we had.

Nothing was going right. It was all wrong.

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labor are corrupt Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1501	Re: Gillard's apologists ignore the truth! Reply #64 - Jul 2^nd, 2014 at 5:45pm buzzanddidj wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2014 at 2:53pm: labor are corrupt wrote on Jul 1^st, 2014 at 10:33pm: Gillard lied her way into government Check shortens rubbery figures. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BmMA1--CYAEOeo9.jpg
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adelcrow Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20133 everywhere Gender:	Re: Gillard's apologists ignore the truth! Reply #65 - Jul 2^nd, 2014 at 5:47pm Well...lets have a DD and see what the good people of Australia think
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labor are corrupt Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1501	Re: Gillard's apologists ignore the truth! Reply #66 - Jul 2^nd, 2014 at 5:56pm Gillards next book "from the inside"
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Re: Gillard's apologists ignore the truth!
Reply #67 - Jul 2^nd, 2014 at 6:32pm

Datalife wrote on Jun 30^th, 2014 at 3:43pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 30^th, 2014 at 3:41pm:

I always thought it was Gillard who her supporters attributed the "... but I am determined to put a price on carbon" statement. I guess it just proves beyond all doubt that she lied to save her considerable arse!

And many here repeated the same lie and will continue to use it after knowing it is a lie.

I suppose The Australian was lying too on teh eve of the election:

Julia Gillard's carbon price promise
JULIA Gillard says she is prepared to legislate a carbon price in the next term.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/julia-gillards-carbon-price-pro...

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Reply #68 - Jul 2^nd, 2014 at 6:39pm

labor are corrupt wrote on Jul 1^st, 2014 at 10:08pm:

" She never had a no-confidence motion moved against her,"

Lol that's because she got knifed by bill shorten who I may add agreed with everything she said.

The Opposition had the whole time she was in Government to move a no-confidence motion in the House. They huffed and they puffed and despite all their hot air, her house made supposedly of straw kept on standing. Roll Eyes

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Reply #69 - Jul 2^nd, 2014 at 6:40pm

rabbitoh08 wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2014 at 6:32pm:

Datalife wrote on Jun 30^th, 2014 at 3:43pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jun 30^th, 2014 at 3:41pm:

I always thought it was Gillard who her supporters attributed the "... but I am determined to put a price on carbon" statement. I guess it just proves beyond all doubt that she lied to save her considerable arse!

And many here repeated the same lie and will continue to use it after knowing it is a lie.

I suppose The Australian was lying too on teh eve of the election:

Julia Gillard's carbon price promise
JULIA Gillard says she is prepared to legislate a carbon price in the next term.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/julia-gillards-carbon-price-pro...

Indeed, election eve and from your link

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In an election-eve interview with The Australian, the Prime Minister revealed she would view victory tomorrow as a mandate for a carbon price, provided the community was ready for this step.

"I don't rule out the possibility of legislating a Carbon Pollution Reduction Scheme, a market-based mechanism," she said of the next parliament. "I rule out a carbon tax."

This is the strongest message Ms Gillard has sent about action on carbon pricing.

While any carbon price would not be triggered until after the 2013 election, Ms Gillard would have two potential legislative partners next term - the Coalition or the Greens. She would legislate the carbon price next term if sufficient consensus existed.

Earlier this year, then prime minister Kevin Rudd ditched Labor's plans to introduce a carbon price for the next term after the bills failed to pass the Senate.

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adelcrow Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20133 everywhere Gender:	Re: Gillard's apologists ignore the truth! Reply #70 - Jul 2^nd, 2014 at 6:41pm If things are so much better under the Liar King he should keep one of his promises and call a DD election.
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Reply #71 - Jul 2^nd, 2014 at 7:02pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2014 at 3:32pm:

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...............For example, here’s a tearful Penny Wong explaining to Gillard why she’s abandoning her fellow feminist to support Kevin Rudd: “It’s the South Australian seats.”

Former justice minister Jason Clare was just as blunt, apparently giving an identical reason for his own switch to Rudd: “It’s about my seat.”

So forget the myth-building about the Australian electorate being unable to cope with a visionary first female prime minister. In politics, it always comes down to self-preservation.

Gillard’s ousting in 2013 had more to do with electorates like Blaxland, Hindmarsh and Wakefield than it had to do with any broader sociopolitical issues................

people wer voting against the alp because they governed poorly.
Illegals flooding in.
debt ballooning.
Govt in 'disharmony', distrusted by businesses in Aust.
Govt wrecking any international reputation we had.

Nothing was going right. It was all wrong.

No, that was how the Opposition and the Media portrayed them, Sprint. The reality was that much better than they allowed and unfortunately Gillard and her advisors were useless at getting their message out in the face of the concerted attack being made on them by Tone Rabbit and Rupert Murdoch. Roll Eyes

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Someone said we could not judge a person's Aboriginality on their skin colour. Why isn't that applied in the matter of Pascoe? Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Re: Gillard's apologists ignore the truth!
Reply #72 - Jul 2^nd, 2014 at 7:09pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2014 at 7:02pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2014 at 3:32pm:

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...............For example, here’s a tearful Penny Wong explaining to Gillard why she’s abandoning her fellow feminist to support Kevin Rudd: “It’s the South Australian seats.”

Former justice minister Jason Clare was just as blunt, apparently giving an identical reason for his own switch to Rudd: “It’s about my seat.”

So forget the myth-building about the Australian electorate being unable to cope with a visionary first female prime minister. In pgolitics, it always comes down to self-preservation.

Gillard’s ousting in 2013 had more to do with electorates like Blaxland, Hindmarsh and Wakefield than it had to do with any broader sociopolitical issues................

people wer voting against the alp because they governed poorly.
Illegals flooding in.
debt ballooning.
Govt in 'disharmony', distrusted by businesses in Aust.
Govt wrecking any international reputation we had.

Nothing was going right. It was all wrong.

No, that was how the Opposition and the Media portrayed them, Sprint. The reality was that much better than they allowed and unfortunately Gillard and her advisors were useless at getting their message out in the face of the concerted attack being made on them by Tone Rabbit and Rupert Murdoch. Roll Eyes

Even. WD40 won't help you brian

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Re: Gillard's apologists ignore the truth!
Reply #73 - Jul 2^nd, 2014 at 8:42pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2014 at 7:02pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2014 at 3:32pm:

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...............For example, here’s a tearful Penny Wong explaining to Gillard why she’s abandoning her fellow feminist to support Kevin Rudd: “It’s the South Australian seats.”

Former justice minister Jason Clare was just as blunt, apparently giving an identical reason for his own switch to Rudd: “It’s about my seat.”

So forget the myth-building about the Australian electorate being unable to cope with a visionary first female prime minister. In politics, it always comes down to self-preservation.

Gillard’s ousting in 2013 had more to do with electorates like Blaxland, Hindmarsh and Wakefield than it had to do with any broader sociopolitical issues................

people wer voting against the alp because they governed poorly.
Illegals flooding in.
debt ballooning.
Govt in 'disharmony', distrusted by businesses in Aust.
Govt wrecking any international reputation we had.

Nothing was going right. It was all wrong.

No, that was how the Opposition and the Media portrayed them, Sprint. The reality was that much better than they allowed and unfortunately Gillard and her advisors were useless at getting their message out in the face of the concerted attack being made on them by Tone Rabbit and Rupert Murdoch. Roll Eyes

I think that was one of their problems.
Trying to "get their message out".
Had they just concentrated on "governing Australia" a MUCH better "message" would have "got out"

eg, the Libs are not interested in "getting their message out." They have stopped the boats. That does not need to be sold.
I understand that message loud and clear.

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Dnarever Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 58161 Here Gender:	Re: Gillard's apologists ignore the truth! Reply #74 - Jul 2^nd, 2014 at 9:08pm labor are corrupt wrote on Jul 1^st, 2014 at 10:33pm: Gillard lied her way into government and bought her stay there with taxpayers money. You don't seem to mind that Abbott deliberatly told a hundred times more lies to do the same thing ?
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