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Dnarever Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 58161 Here Gender:	Re: Gillard's apologists ignore the truth! Reply #75 - Jul 2^nd, 2014 at 9:09pm Gillard's apologists ignore the truth! Reported from a source which is a stranger to the truth.
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Reply #76 - Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 11:29am

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2014 at 8:42pm:

I think that was one of their problems.
Trying to "get their message out".
Had they just concentrated on "governing Australia" a MUCH better "message" would have "got out"

They actually were. Australia recorded the highest GDP growth in the OECD during the Labor governments. Australia did not have a recession unlike every other Western government in the developed world. Australians enjoyed unprecedented levels of prosperity. How can you argue against these truths?

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eg, the Libs are not interested in "getting their message out." They have stopped the boats. That does not need to be sold.
I understand that message loud and clear.

That message like everything else the Mad Monk claims must be examined closely and when you do, you find it is a lie. Boats are coming, they're just being turned back or the refugees are being refouled to the regimes they are fleeing. Australia is breaking the treaties it is signatory to. And you're proud of your Xenophobia! Disgusting! Grin

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Reply #77 - Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 11:34am

I agree with sprint to some degree here - and say the same with this lot . they are spending all their efforts trying to 'sell' their budget - a forlorn hope - instead of actually running the country for its people.

Better to come out and say - OK - you lot don't want this - let us take a look at it without our commission of idiots and get back to you.

They should always have had a backup plan in place - not just some thrust to the heart and then a refusal to back down when challenged over it.

Shows the paucity of government here.. no planning and lot of rhetoric.

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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: Gillard's apologists ignore the truth! Reply #79 - Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 11:14pm \|dev\|null wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 1:03pm: They assume their mandate means everybody agrees with them! Idiots! No they assume, like Labor did that since they won the election, they have a mandate to implement their policies.
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Reply #80 - Jul 4^th, 2014 at 2:10am

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 11:34am:

I agree with sprint to some degree here - and say the same with this lot . they are spending all their efforts trying to 'sell' their budget - a forlorn hope - instead of actually running the country for its people.

Better to come out and say - OK - you lot don't want this - let us take a look at it without our commission of idiots and get back to you.

They should always have had a backup plan in place - not just some thrust to the heart and then a refusal to back down when challenged over it.

Shows the paucity of government here.. no planning and lot of rhetoric.

yes, the talk about 'selling a budget' is wasted effort.
Lay down the budget, let the public and chat rooms say whatever they want. Budgets are not set down by twitter feeds.
See how it goes through parliament, that is how budgets proceed.
I don't think this govt has put big resources into selling it. they shouldn't. Lots of people dislike it, that's how it is.
We have a debt and deficit to wrestle with.

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Reply #81 - Jul 4^th, 2014 at 7:04am

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 2:10am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 11:34am:

I agree with sprint to some degree here - and say the same with this lot . they are spending all their efforts trying to 'sell' their budget - a forlorn hope - instead of actually running the country for its people.

Better to come out and say - OK - you lot don't want this - let us take a look at it without our commission of idiots and get back to you.

They should always have had a backup plan in place - not just some thrust to the heart and then a refusal to back down when challenged over it.

Shows the paucity of government here.. no planning and lot of rhetoric.

yes, the talk about 'selling a budget' is wasted effort.
Lay down the budget, let the public and chat rooms say whatever they want. Budgets are not set down by twitter feeds.
See how it goes through parliament, that is how budgets proceed.
I don't think this govt has put big resources into selling it. they shouldn't. Lots of people dislike it, that's how it is.
We have a debt and deficit to wrestle with.

I think the question is how to go about dealing with debt and deficit - not always bad things in themselves - every household has them, and it depends on the balance between debt and income. Sensible government organises that in advance, same as sensible households..... which latter, by the way, fund their own breeding programs....

I prefer generating genuine prosperity with genuine forward-looking policies - re-development of genuine industrial base and farming etc - government here either prefer to push their ideology or put their fingers in the dyke of cash (nasty budgets, banana republicanism with resources etc) without materially altering one substantial thing that affects revenue and outgo.

Someone posted figures that showed the net effect of this Budget of Evil was the same as not having it at all.

Paying Richie to rob Poor will never work.. nor should it. These are not the medieval days of the lord in the castle....

Hang 'em and hang 'em high! After a fair trial, of course.

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Reply #82 - Jul 4^th, 2014 at 8:17am

Grendel wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 11:14pm:

|dev|null wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 1:03pm:

They assume their mandate means everybody agrees with them! Idiots!

No they assume, like Labor did that since they won the election, they have a mandate to implement their policies.

They have no mandate to implement the opposite to their pre election commitments.

Mandate does not extend to the point of being obligated to support lies.

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Reply #83 - Jul 4^th, 2014 at 8:23am

Dnarever wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 8:17am:

Grendel wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 11:14pm:

|dev|null wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 1:03pm:

They assume their mandate means everybody agrees with them! Idiots!

No they assume, like Labor did that since they won the election, they have a mandate to implement their policies.

They have no mandate to implement the opposite to their pre election commitments.

Mandate does not extend to the point of being obligated to support lies.

Even if their policies were in line with what they promised before the election, whilst the libs have a mandate to try and pass their legislation, the opposition have NO SUCH MANDATE ... in fact, their mandate is to those that voted for THEM

If Grendel knew anything about our electoral system and how it works he would know that

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Reply #84 - Jul 4^th, 2014 at 8:43am

Dnarever wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 8:17am:

Grendel wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 11:14pm:

|dev|null wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 1:03pm:

They assume their mandate means everybody agrees with them! Idiots!

No they assume, like Labor did that since they won the election, they have a mandate to implement their policies.

They have no mandate to implement the opposite to their pre election commitments.

Mandate does not extend to the point of being obligated to support lies.

Based on that, you must agree Gillard had to mandate to introduce the carbon tax, right ?

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Reply #85 - Jul 4^th, 2014 at 8:57am

Dnarever wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 8:17am:

Grendel wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 11:14pm:

|dev|null wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 1:03pm:

They assume their mandate means everybody agrees with them! Idiots!

No they assume, like Labor did that since they won the election, they have a mandate to implement their policies.

They have no mandate to implement the opposite to their pre election commitments.

Mandate does not extend to the point of being obligated to support lies.

So they have a mandate to stop the boats and repeal the carbon tax.... the latter which is ALP POLICY and which the ALP have been stopping them from doing.... Cheesy

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Reply #86 - Jul 4^th, 2014 at 8:58am

John Smith wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 8:23am:

Dnarever wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 8:17am:

Grendel wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 11:14pm:

|dev|null wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 1:03pm:

They assume their mandate means everybody agrees with them! Idiots!

No they assume, like Labor did that since they won the election, they have a mandate to implement their policies.

They have no mandate to implement the opposite to their pre election commitments.

Mandate does not extend to the point of being obligated to support lies.

Even if their policies were in line with what they promised before the election, whilst the libs have a mandate to try and pass their legislation, the opposition have NO SUCH MANDATE ... in fact, their mandate is to those that voted for THEM

If Grendel knew anything about our electoral system and how it works he would know that

You are an idiot, go troll someone else with your stupidity.

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Reply #87 - Jul 4^th, 2014 at 9:50am

Grendel wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 8:58am:

John Smith wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 8:23am:

Dnarever wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 8:17am:

Grendel wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 11:14pm:

|dev|null wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 1:03pm:

They assume their mandate means everybody agrees with them! Idiots!

No they assume, like Labor did that since they won the election, they have a mandate to implement their policies.

They have no mandate to implement the opposite to their pre election commitments.

Mandate does not extend to the point of being obligated to support lies.

Even if their policies were in line with what they promised before the election, whilst the libs have a mandate to try and pass their legislation, the opposition have NO SUCH MANDATE ... in fact, their mandate is to those that voted for THEM

If Grendel knew anything about our electoral system and how it works he would know that

You are an idiot, go troll someone else with your stupidity.

and yet your the one who thinks the opposition is somehow duty bound by some imaginary mandate to pass all the coalitions legislation

and you call me an idiot? Grin

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Reply #88 - Jul 4^th, 2014 at 10:58am

John Smith wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 9:50am:

Grendel wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 8:58am:

John Smith wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 8:23am:

Dnarever wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 8:17am:

Grendel wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 11:14pm:

|dev|null wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 1:03pm:

They assume their mandate means everybody agrees with them! Idiots!

No they assume, like Labor did that since they won the election, they have a mandate to implement their policies.

They have no mandate to implement the opposite to their pre election commitments.

Mandate does not extend to the point of being obligated to support lies.

Even if their policies were in line with what they promised before the election, whilst the libs have a mandate to try and pass their legislation, the opposition have NO SUCH MANDATE ... in fact, their mandate is to those that voted for THEM

If Grendel knew anything about our electoral system and how it works he would know that

You are an idiot, go troll someone else with your stupidity.

and yet your the one who thinks the opposition is somehow duty bound by some imaginary mandate to pass all the coalitions legislation

and you call me an idiot? Grin

He does appear somewhat touched! Grin

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Reply #89 - Jul 4^th, 2014 at 11:00am

|dev|null wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 10:58am:

John Smith wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 9:50am:

Grendel wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 8:58am:

John Smith wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 8:23am:

Dnarever wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 8:17am:

Grendel wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 11:14pm:

|dev|null wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 1:03pm:

They assume their mandate means everybody agrees with them! Idiots!

No they assume, like Labor did that since they won the election, they have a mandate to implement their policies.

They have no mandate to implement the opposite to their pre election commitments.

Mandate does not extend to the point of being obligated to support lies.

Even if their policies were in line with what they promised before the election, whilst the libs have a mandate to try and pass their legislation, the opposition have NO SUCH MANDATE ... in fact, their mandate is to those that voted for THEM

If Grendel knew anything about our electoral system and how it works he would know that

You are an idiot, go troll someone else with your stupidity.

and yet your the one who thinks the opposition is somehow duty bound by some imaginary mandate to pass all the coalitions legislation

and you call me an idiot? Grin

He does appear somewhat touched! Grin

hey Bwian... that is you right?
Love the pointless ad hom you and Johnboy go well together.

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