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Re: Gillard's apologists ignore the truth!
Reply #90 - Jul 4^th, 2014 at 11:07am

John Smith wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 9:50am:

Grendel wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 8:58am:

John Smith wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 8:23am:

Dnarever wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 8:17am:

Grendel wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 11:14pm:

|dev|null wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 1:03pm:

They assume their mandate means everybody agrees with them! Idiots!

No they assume, like Labor did that since they won the election, they have a mandate to implement their policies.

They have no mandate to implement the opposite to their pre election commitments.

Mandate does not extend to the point of being obligated to support lies.

Even if their policies were in line with what they promised before the election, whilst the libs have a mandate to try and pass their legislation, the opposition have NO SUCH MANDATE ... in fact, their mandate is to those that voted for THEM

If Grendel knew anything about our electoral system and how it works he would know that

You are an idiot, go troll someone else with your stupidity.

and yet your the one who thinks the opposition is somehow duty bound by some imaginary mandate to pass all the coalitions legislation

and you call me an idiot? Grin

He'll call you biased next. You'll get the tin foil helmet picture.

The Libs have no mandate on things they didn't promise. They actually promised to keep health and education funding at the current levels. They also promised "not to touch pensions".

The Libs have a mandate to enact these policies, and the opposition has a mandate to hold them to their word.

The mandate argument does, however, apply to the carbon tax. This was an ironclad promise by the Libs.

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Re: Gillard's apologists ignore the truth!
Reply #91 - Jul 4^th, 2014 at 12:30pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 8:43am:

Dnarever wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 8:17am:

Grendel wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 11:14pm:

|dev|null wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 1:03pm:

They assume their mandate means everybody agrees with them! Idiots!

No they assume, like Labor did that since they won the election, they have a mandate to implement their policies.

They have no mandate to implement the opposite to their pre election commitments.

Mandate does not extend to the point of being obligated to support lies.

Based on that, you must agree Gillard had to mandate to introduce the carbon tax, right ?

At the point that she agreed with the greens proposal to introduce a fixed carbon price I do not believe that she believed it was a tax. When she said no Tax I was thinking that she meant Tony Abbotts tax proposal which she did in fact rule out.

The fixed carbon price is in fact a tax and she did in fact break her commitment because of the way it was implemented, what she said pre election was stupid. Though it is also a fact that she did later state that she would introduce a carbon price mechanism that term if possible.

I always agreed that their was no mandate for the fixed carbon price.

In terms of it being a lie I do not believe it was deliberate as was the Howard GST lie or any of the 15 or more Abbott budget lies. But of course you have no problem at all with the Abbott lies now do you.

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Reply #92 - Jul 4^th, 2014 at 7:11pm

|dev|null wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 10:58am:

John Smith wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 9:50am:

Grendel wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 8:58am:

John Smith wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 8:23am:

Dnarever wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 8:17am:

Grendel wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 11:14pm:

|dev|null wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 1:03pm:

They assume their mandate means everybody agrees with them! Idiots!

No they assume, like Labor did that since they won the election, they have a mandate to implement their policies.

They have no mandate to implement the opposite to their pre election commitments.

Mandate does not extend to the point of being obligated to support lies.

Even if their policies were in line with what they promised before the election, whilst the libs have a mandate to try and pass their legislation, the opposition have NO SUCH MANDATE ... in fact, their mandate is to those that voted for THEM

If Grendel knew anything about our electoral system and how it works he would know that

You are an idiot, go troll someone else with your stupidity.

and yet your the one who thinks the opposition is somehow duty bound by some imaginary mandate to pass all the coalitions legislation

and you call me an idiot? Grin

He does appear somewhat touched! Grin

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Re: Gillard's apologists ignore the truth!
Reply #93 - Jul 4^th, 2014 at 10:13pm

Dnarever wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 12:30pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 8:43am:

Dnarever wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 8:17am:

Grendel wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 11:14pm:

|dev|null wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 1:03pm:

They assume their mandate means everybody agrees with them! Idiots!

No they assume, like Labor did that since they won the election, they have a mandate to implement their policies.

They have no mandate to implement the opposite to their pre election commitments.

Mandate does not extend to the point of being obligated to support lies.

Based on that, you must agree Gillard had to mandate to introduce the carbon tax, right ?

At the point that she agreed with the greens proposal to introduce a fixed carbon price I do not believe that she believed it was a tax. When she said no Tax I was thinking that she meant Tony Abbotts tax proposal which she did in fact rule out.

The fixed carbon price is in fact a tax and she did in fact break her commitment because of the way it was implemented, what she said pre election was stupid. Though it is also a fact that she did later state that she would introduce a carbon price mechanism that term if possible.

I always agreed that their was no mandate for the fixed carbon price.

In terms of it being a lie I do not believe it was deliberate as was the Howard GST lie or any of the 15 or more Abbott budget lies. But of course you have no problem at all with the Abbott lies now do you.

Wow, still with the GST lie? You know Howard was originally against it and then down the track said he'd introduce one if re-elected. He won the election and kept his promise. No lies, just a change of mind that he took to an election. Gillard lied to save her job, simple as that. You cannot spin your way out of that.

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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: Gillard's apologists ignore the truth! Reply #94 - Jul 4^th, 2014 at 10:50pm DNA got run over by that truck ages ago... problem is he's still in a coma and keeps repeating the same crap over and over again Come on DNA time to face reality. You're just making yourself look stupid on this
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Re: Gillard's apologists ignore the truth!
Reply #95 - Jul 5^th, 2014 at 7:03am

Grendel wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 10:50pm:

DNA got run over by that truck ages ago... problem is he's still in a coma and keeps repeating the same crap over and over again Roll Eyes

Come on DNA time to face reality.
You're just making yourself look stupid on this Wink

Yep, then the truck reversed over her argument and drove over it again and again and again...

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Scott Morrison DID wipe the floor with Bull Shitten!!!

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