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Re: Fightback against Islamisation wins a victory
Reply #30 - Jul 11th, 2014 at 7:15pm
 
Lionel Edriess wrote on Jul 11th, 2014 at 7:06pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11th, 2014 at 6:45pm:
... But that means there is nearly a 50% chance they won't be, now doesn't it, Lionel? 


'Nearly' only counts with shotguns and hand grenades, Brian. You should know that. I 'nearly' missed him means what?


Yet you discount the nearly as equal probability that the person won't be Muslim, Lionel.  Tsk, tsk and you claim you're not bigoted.   Roll Eyes

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,,, I've known Lebanese, Syrians, Jordanians, Egyptians, Yemenis, Somalis, Saudis, Malaysians, Indonesians, Indians, Turks, Cypriots - all Muslims, Lionel.  Never had a problem with any of them except one Turkish fellow but that wasn't 'cause he was Muslim, he was just a dickhead.


I've had similar life experiences. Almost all the decent Aboriginals I've met have been in a work environment. You know, married with kids, a car, a mortgage, the whole nine yards.

I've also met a lot of the other sort outside work.

On what, then, should I form preconceptions or attitudes towards Aboriginal people when I have researched, read widely, read the news and possess an open mind?

I've also had contact with most of those 'breeds' you mentioned.

It's just lately I've gained an insight into some of their occasionally 'out there' behaviour. It's called Islam.

I've had Australian mates that exhibited 'out there' behaviour. Sometimes we could put it down to Vietnam.

I can foresee the same 'instances' recurring.



Yet none of the Muslims I've known have ever displayed any "out there" behavior, Lionel.  All have been intelligent, interesting people (except that one Turk) who got on well with people socially and at work.   Yet, according to you, 'cause they're Muslim, they all should be violent psychopaths intent on blowing everybody up!   Roll Eyes

So, did your Indigenous work mates get on the piss and crap in the corner all the time?  Did they beat their wives and rape their kids?  'cause thats the sort of stereotypes most people have about Indigenes, Lionel in Australia.   Roll Eyes
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Re: Fightback against Islamisation wins a victory
Reply #31 - Jul 11th, 2014 at 7:23pm
 
Lionel Edriess wrote on Jul 11th, 2014 at 7:06pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11th, 2014 at 6:45pm:
... But that means there is nearly a 50% chance they won't be, now doesn't it, Lionel? 


'Nearly' only counts with shotguns and hand grenades, Brian. You should know that. I 'nearly' missed him means what?

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11th, 2014 at 6:45pm:
,,, I've known Lebanese, Syrians, Jordanians, Egyptians, Yemenis, Somalis, Saudis, Malaysians, Indonesians, Indians, Turks, Cypriots - all Muslims, Lionel.  Never had a problem with any of them except one Turkish fellow but that wasn't 'cause he was Muslim, he was just a dickhead.


I've had similar life experiences. Almost all the decent Aboriginals I've met have been in a work environment. You know, married with kids, a car, a mortgage, the whole nine yards.

I've also met a lot of the other sort outside work.

On what, then, should I form preconceptions or attitudes towards Aboriginal people when I have researched, read widely, read the news and possess an open mind?

I've also had contact with most of those 'breeds' you mentioned.

It's just lately I've gained an insight into some of their occasionally 'out there' behaviour. It's called Islam.

I've had Australian mates that exhibited 'out there' behaviour. Sometimes we could put it down to Vietnam.

I can foresee the same 'instances' recurring.



brian seems to be an extreme islam sympathiser.

lionel - people who are extreme are drawn to islam, that;s what it requires.

From my experiences, muslims are extremists.
I have discussed matters with a few of them over months and they are very extreme once you get past their false exteriors.
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Re: Fightback against Islamisation wins a victory
Reply #32 - Jul 11th, 2014 at 7:31pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11th, 2014 at 7:15pm:
... So, did your Indigenous work mates get on the piss and crap in the corner all the time?  Did they beat their wives and rape their kids?  'cause thats the sort of stereotypes most people have about Indigenes, Lionel in Australia. 


To be perfectly honest, the subject never came up. They never gave me a reason to even suspect such behaviour.

However, I'd have been delighted if you'd ever asked me that same question in front of them.


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Reply #33 - Jul 11th, 2014 at 7:37pm
 

note also, brian ross has chosen a very Australian name.

His real name might well be 'mohammad islam  mohammad wifebeater mohammad bomb mohammad'
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Re: Fightback against Islamisation wins a victory
Reply #34 - Jul 11th, 2014 at 7:57pm
 
wally1 wrote on Jul 11th, 2014 at 11:47am:
actually havent you heard, people need tattoos to show there toughness cause they got small doodles.

Isnt it why you got heart problems cause of all the viagra you were taking?


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Re: Fightback against Islamisation wins a victory
Reply #35 - Jul 11th, 2014 at 7:58pm
 
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brian seems to be an extreme islam sympathiser.

lionel - people who are extreme are drawn to islam, that;s what it requires.

From my experiences, muslims are extremists.
I have discussed matters with a few of them over months and they are very extreme once you get past their false exteriors.


Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 11th, 2014 at 7:37pm:
note also, brian ross has chosen a very Australian name.

His real name might well be 'mohammad islam  mohammad wifebeater mohammad bomb mohammad'


Sprint, Brian Ross is a very Australian name, isn't it?  It's also my real name.  When I first logged onto AusNet back in 1987, people used their real names when posting to USENet newsgroups.  In those days, our little world of discussion was contributed to by primarily Academics and Students and as in my case, Research Assistants, Programmers and other employees of Universities and academic institutions.  We stood by our opinions and didn't hide behind anonymous pseudonyms.   We knew each other by name and reputation.  In those days, there were only a couple of dozen contributors to the aus.* hierarchy in USENet.  Even fewer to aus.politics, where I enjoyed hanging out. 

I am not an extreme anything in reality.  My views are those of the centre.  I believe in moderation, understanding and tolerance.  I oppose racism and bigotry.  I believe in giving people a "fair go" and accepting them, not on the basis of ignorance and bigoted stereotypes but rather what they have done, as individuals.  I don't believe in guilt by association.

Of course these concepts run counter to your views.  You'd prefer to discriminate against people on the basis of their religious beliefs and their origins, perhaps even their "race" and sexual orientation?  Your own position is so far out in the outfield of society as far as your views go, you can't even perceive the real centre of opinion, except as being an "extreme".   Roll Eyes
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Re: Fightback against Islamisation wins a victory
Reply #36 - Jul 11th, 2014 at 8:01pm
 
Lionel Edriess wrote on Jul 11th, 2014 at 7:31pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11th, 2014 at 7:15pm:
... So, did your Indigenous work mates get on the piss and crap in the corner all the time?  Did they beat their wives and rape their kids?  'cause thats the sort of stereotypes most people have about Indigenes, Lionel in Australia. 


To be perfectly honest, the subject never came up. They never gave me a reason to even suspect such behaviour.

However, I'd have been delighted if you'd ever asked me that same question in front of them.


And my situation with my Muslim friends and workmates was exactly the same, Lionel.  I've never heard any of them utter a single, "Allahu Akbar!"  Funny that.  If you were to claim the many things claimed here and elsewhere on the net by the ignorant and the foolish, they'd look at you with surprise and hurt.  Funny that, people react in similar ways to similar insults and intolerance despite not sharing anything other than their humanity.   Roll Eyes
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Re: Fightback against Islamisation wins a victory
Reply #37 - Jul 11th, 2014 at 8:04pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11th, 2014 at 7:58pm:
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brian seems to be an extreme islam sympathiser.

lionel - people who are extreme are drawn to islam, that;s what it requires.

From my experiences, muslims are extremists.
I have discussed matters with a few of them over months and they are very extreme once you get past their false exteriors.


Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 11th, 2014 at 7:37pm:
note also, brian ross has chosen a very Australian name.

His real name might well be 'mohammad islam  mohammad wifebeater mohammad bomb mohammad'


Sprint, Brian Ross is a very Australian name, isn't it?  It's also my real name.  When I first logged onto AusNet back in 1987, people used their real names when posting to USENet newsgroups.  In those days, our little world of discussion was contributed to by primarily Academics and Students and as in my case, Research Assistants, Programmers and other employees of Universities and academic institutions.  We stood by our opinions and didn't hide behind anonymous pseudonyms.   We knew each other by name and reputation.  In those days, there were only a couple of dozen contributors to the aus.* hierarchy in USENet.  Even fewer to aus.politics, where I enjoyed hanging out. 

I am not an extreme anything in reality.  My views are those of the centre.  I believe in moderation, understanding and tolerance.  I oppose racism and bigotry.  I believe in giving people a "fair go" and accepting them, not on the basis of ignorance and bigoted stereotypes but rather what they have done, as individuals.  I don't believe in guilt by association.

Of course these concepts run counter to your views.  You'd prefer to discriminate against people on the basis of their religious beliefs and their origins, perhaps even their "race" and sexual orientation?  Your own position is so far out in the outfield of society as far as your views go, you can't even perceive the real centre of opinion, except as being an "extreme".   Roll Eyes
So in your view Australians should be happy with the forced mass immigration of the worlds people that will ultimately lead to the diminishment of their culture. The rest of the world thinks the same. Are they then bigots too???
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Re: Fightback against Islamisation wins a victory
Reply #38 - Jul 11th, 2014 at 8:34pm
 
hermoine wrote on Jul 11th, 2014 at 8:04pm:
So in your view Australians should be happy with the forced mass immigration of the worlds people that will ultimately lead to the diminishment of their culture. The rest of the world thinks the same. Are they then bigots too???


Perhaps you'd care to provide a quote where I have suggested any such thing about "forced migration", Hermoine?  Stop erecting a strawman argument.  It just makes you look more foolish than you already are.    Roll Eyes
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Reply #39 - Jul 11th, 2014 at 8:49pm
 
Karnal wrote on Jul 11th, 2014 at 6:38pm:
hermoine wrote on Jul 11th, 2014 at 10:27am:
It is interesting that everywhere  muslims live side by side with other peoples in Australia they end up disliked. You tell me why??


There’s a Muslim prayer hall on my sleepy street. No one seems to care either way. The council sent out a letter recently to assess any objections to a Development Application to do up the front of the prayer hall.

I didn’t bother replying. From what I could make out, it won’t significantly change the existing building. No one in the area seems to care.

Recently, a nice old man from the prayer hall visited to ask if any of the neighbours are Muslims. I told him none of my neighbours are. He left a Muslim pamphlet, which I didn’t take much inspiration from. It said Muhammed is the final prophet in all history. It seemed a bit Jehova Witness-like to me.

None of my non-Muslim neighbours care about living with Muslims. To be honest, I envy the prayer hall’s sense of community. The local Anglican church, a sandstone cathedral, has been taken over by a Chinese minister with services in Mandarin. There’s a mega-church around the corner that looks like a drive-in. That’s filled largely with Arabs. The Town Hall, a grandiose Victorian building, is used solely for Indian weddings.

There’s no NIMBYs where I live. People just get on with their lives. I’ve lived in predominantly Anglo neighbourhoods, and I’ve lived in very multicultural areas like my current place. From my own experience, the race, religion and ethnicity of neighbours make absolutely no difference to their willingness to live together. 

If anyone else has any personal experience, I’d love to hear it.


The Muslims have the force of conviction, the rest are apathetic and indifferent.
So the former will prevail and the latter will be swept aside.

Social construct, innit.



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Reply #40 - Jul 11th, 2014 at 8:51pm
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 11th, 2014 at 7:37pm:
note also, brian ross has chosen a very Australian name.

His real name might well be 'mohammad islam  mohammad wifebeater mohammad bomb mohammad'


Looks like you have made a fool of yourself just like the other thousands time on this forum.

Eevn if brian Ross is a muslim he doesnt need to change his name he can keep his name.
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Reply #41 - Jul 11th, 2014 at 8:54pm
 
hermoine wrote on Jul 11th, 2014 at 8:04pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 11th, 2014 at 7:58pm:
Quote:
[quote author=sprintcyclist link=1404256707/31#31
brian seems to be an extreme islam sympathiser.

lionel - people who are extreme are drawn to islam, that;s what it requires.

From my experiences, muslims are extremists.
I have discussed matters with a few of them over months and they are very extreme once you get past their false exteriors.


Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 11th, 2014 at 7:37pm:
note also, brian ross has chosen a very Australian name.

His real name might well be 'mohammad islam  mohammad wifebeater mohammad bomb mohammad'


Sprint, Brian Ross is a very Australian name, isn't it?  It's also my real name.  When I first logged onto AusNet back in 1987, people used their real names when posting to USENet newsgroups.  In those days, our little world of discussion was contributed to by primarily Academics and Students and as in my case, Research Assistants, Programmers and other employees of Universities and academic institutions.  We stood by our opinions and didn't hide behind anonymous pseudonyms.   We knew each other by name and reputation.  In those days, there were only a couple of dozen contributors to the aus.* hierarchy in USENet.  Even fewer to aus.politics, where I enjoyed hanging out. 

I am not an extreme anything in reality.  My views are those of the centre.  I believe in moderation, understanding and tolerance.  I oppose racism and bigotry.  I believe in giving people a "fair go" and accepting them, not on the basis of ignorance and bigoted stereotypes but rather what they have done, as individuals.  I don't believe in guilt by association.

Of course these concepts run counter to your views.  You'd prefer to discriminate against people on the basis of their religious beliefs and their origins, perhaps even their "race" and sexual orientation?  Your own position is so far out in the outfield of society as far as your views go, you can't even perceive the real centre of opinion, except as being an "extreme".   Roll Eyes
So in your view Australians should be happy with the forced mass immigration of the worlds people that will ultimately lead to the diminishment of their culture. The rest of the world thinks the same. Are they then bigots too???


How would you define culture?

Do muslims stop people from going to the footy, going to the pub and getting drunk?

Do they stop you having a barbeque with your mates?

Do they stop you earning money or getting a root?
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Reply #42 - Jul 11th, 2014 at 8:58pm
 
I have had very positive interactions with Muslim (observing them is something else). I have also had very unpleasant interaction with them.

I think Islam was motivating the Muslims in both sets of experiences.

I do not see why I should attribute the positive experiences to Islam but not the negative ones.



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Reply #43 - Jul 11th, 2014 at 8:59pm
 
wally1 wrote on Jul 11th, 2014 at 8:51pm:
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 11th, 2014 at 7:37pm:
note also, brian ross has chosen a very Australian name.

His real name might well be 'mohammad islam  mohammad wifebeater mohammad bomb mohammad'


Looks like you have made a fool of yourself just like the other thousands time on this forum.

Eevn if brian Ross is a muslim he doesnt need to change his name he can keep his name.


Whereas you will be a wally, whatever you are called.

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Reply #44 - Jul 11th, 2014 at 9:03pm
 
Soren wrote on Jul 11th, 2014 at 8:58pm:
I have had very positive interactions with Muslim (observing them is something else). I have also had very unpleasant interaction with them.

I think Islam was motivating the Muslims in both sets of experiences.

I do not see why I should attribute the positive experiences to Islam but not the negative ones.


Perhaps the point is you attribute all experiences to a uniform, monolithic faith you call Islam rather than understanding that different people interpret things differently.  One Muslim may accept one part of the Q'ran and place emphasis on it, and another Muslim a different part.  Rather as how most Christian fundamentalists place emphasis on the Old Testament and most happy-clappy Christians place emphasis on the New.
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