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Reply #120 - Jul 5^th, 2014 at 1:03pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 11:33pm:

Soren wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 9:22pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 8:37pm:

austranger wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 8:31pm:

So far as I'm aware the immigration act requires that anyone entering Oz must have a current visa, and that those seeking to settle here permanently must first be assessed and granted right of entry.
Therefore those forcing a landing anywhere here without such visa or approval are contravening the act, which is against the law, thus, illegal.

Could you please provide a link to the Section of the relevant Act that proscribes entering without a visa?

Not too much to ask, surely.

If you can provide that, it would indeed show that entering without a visa is illegal.

Because, as we all know, in order for something to be illegal it must be proscribed by an Act. Agreed?

So, over to you ...

So why do you think they ask for your passport and visa at airport, Prickadonna, if such things are redundant?

Nobody has ever said that passports and visas are redundant.

Good.

That's why they are not allwed in without them.

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Reply #121 - Jul 5^th, 2014 at 1:43pm

Stratos wrote on Jul 5^th, 2014 at 11:32am:

Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 5^th, 2014 at 11:11am:

And then once again, if you place no credibility upon Australia's recent Labor Foreign Minister declaring openly that these Sri Lankans are economic migrants, then perhaps you should take it up with him, and not me.

Bob Carr has never come out with any evidence, and I have provided you with three fact finding sources, all of which say that his claim is devoid of evidence.

I'll trust Bob Carr on this one. He had sources that don't get typed up as URL's for the general public to access on the Internet. And he would have had phone calls from well-placed people who were close to the action.

Not everything gets written down. He was right there with Ministerial Clearance to hear everything that was being said by ASIO and other insiders.

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Reply #122 - Jul 5^th, 2014 at 1:52pm

Stratos wrote on Jul 5^th, 2014 at 11:32am:

Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 5^th, 2014 at 11:11am:

In case you missed my post before.

[quote author=Herbert link=1404330771/110#110 date=1404522676]I do not consider there's any Sri Lankan should leave Sri Lankan shores and ask for refugee status in any country.

And like that he's lost me That statement is completely farcical.

And then, of course ~ and most tellingly ~ there is the huge mainland Indian state of Tamil Nadu just across the water from Sri Lanka.

Refugees from Sri Lanka go to Tamil Nadu if they haven't been involved in war crimes.

Refugees who are escaping from trial for war crimes go to ... Australia.

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Reply #123 - Jul 5^th, 2014 at 2:30pm

Veterans who have patrolled Australia's borders looking for asylum seekers are among those who can now get online counselling if they are traumatised by their experience.Veterans' Affairs Minister Michael Ronaldson launched the 24-hour counselling website at the South Australian RSL congress on Saturday. (Sky-News)

Only problem is, it not exist! It not have a name! It Ministers bullshit!

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Reply #124 - Jul 5^th, 2014 at 2:31pm

Veterans who have patrolled Australia's borders looking for asylum seekers are among those who can now get online counselling if they are traumatised by their experience.Veterans' Affairs Minister Michael Ronaldson launched the 24-hour counselling website at the South Australian RSL congress on Saturday. (Sky-News)

Only problem is, it not exist! It not have a name! It Ministers bullshit!

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Reply #125 - Jul 5^th, 2014 at 2:40pm

Soren wrote on Jul 5^th, 2014 at 1:03pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 11:33pm:

Soren wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 9:22pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 8:37pm:

austranger wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 8:31pm:

So far as I'm aware the immigration act requires that anyone entering Oz must have a current visa, and that those seeking to settle here permanently must first be assessed and granted right of entry.
Therefore those forcing a landing anywhere here without such visa or approval are contravening the act, which is against the law, thus, illegal.

Could you please provide a link to the Section of the relevant Act that proscribes entering without a visa?

Not too much to ask, surely.

If you can provide that, it would indeed show that entering without a visa is illegal.

Because, as we all know, in order for something to be illegal it must be proscribed by an Act. Agreed?

So, over to you ...

So why do you think they ask for your passport and visa at airport, Prickadonna, if such things are redundant?

Nobody has ever said that passports and visas are redundant.

Good.

That's why they are not allwed in without them.

... unless they're seeking asylum, of course.

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Re: Abbott Mob Illegally Processing Refugees @ Sea
Reply #127 - Jul 5^th, 2014 at 2:57pm

____ wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 5:52am:

Asylum seekers are reportedly being secretly screened at sea via video link, potentially breaching international law.

One Sri Lankan naval official has confirmed that some hopeful refugees will be transferred into Sri Lankan custody at sea after being asked just four basic questions, although another Sri Lankan official denied the procedure.

Fairfax Media reports the asylum seekers are being asked their name, country of origin, where they had come from and why they had left before their claim for asylum is considered, but lawyer Julian Burnside says Australia could be guilty of refoulement.

Non-refoulement is a key facet of refugee law, regarding protection of refugees from being returned to areas where their lives or freedoms could be threatened.

"It is very clear the department is screening people to get them out as fast as possible and not with a view to assess whether they are refugees," Mr Burnside said.

Director of Human Rights Watch Elaine Pearson also questioned the practice, calling it "not only highly disturbing, but probably unlawful".

Christmas Island local councillor Gordon Thomson on Wednesday called on the federal government to confirm the accuracy of reports that asylum seekers had been transferred from Australian custody.

"It's a very, very, very disturbing story, if it's true," he told AAP.

https://au.news.yahoo.com/nsw/a/24374328/australia-assessing-refugees-at-sea/

Good job Abbott.
You know your on the right track when the head left wing handwringer from HRW is "disturbed".
And I suspect she is going to be "disturbed" for some years whilst the Coalition continues to put people smugglers out of business.
I believe that asking foreigners those four questions is an exercise in basic common sense given their lack of ID.
It's a bit hard to process someone if you don't know who they are or where they come from.
And given Labor's benefit of the doubt policy was sensibly removed by Scott Morrison, the questions are reasonable under the circumstances.
And the sooner these country shoppers are choofed off elsewhere, the sooner the government can get back to looking after the country.

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Reply #128 - Jul 5^th, 2014 at 3:02pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 5^th, 2014 at 2:40pm:

Soren wrote on Jul 5^th, 2014 at 1:03pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 11:33pm:

Soren wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 9:22pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 8:37pm:

austranger wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 8:31pm:

So far as I'm aware the immigration act requires that anyone entering Oz must have a current visa, and that those seeking to settle here permanently must first be assessed and granted right of entry.
Therefore those forcing a landing anywhere here without such visa or approval are contravening the act, which is against the law, thus, illegal.

Could you please provide a link to the Section of the relevant Act that proscribes entering without a visa?

Not too much to ask, surely.

If you can provide that, it would indeed show that entering without a visa is illegal.

Because, as we all know, in order for something to be illegal it must be proscribed by an Act. Agreed?

So, over to you ...

So why do you think they ask for your passport and visa at airport, Prickadonna, if such things are redundant?

Nobody has ever said that passports and visas are redundant.

Good.

That's why they are not allwed in without them.

... unless they're seeking asylum, of course.

Incorrect, there is no law which states asylum seekers are legally or lawfully allowed to enter australia. You must have a sore arse by now with all the kicking I have been giving it but you dont seem to learn.

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Re: Abbott Mob Illegally Processing Refugees @ Sea
Reply #129 - Jul 5^th, 2014 at 3:03pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 5^th, 2014 at 1:52pm:

Stratos wrote on Jul 5^th, 2014 at 11:32am:

Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 5^th, 2014 at 11:11am:

In case you missed my post before.

[quote author=Herbert link=1404330771/110#110 date=1404522676]I do not consider there's any Sri Lankan should leave Sri Lankan shores and ask for refugee status in any country.

And like that he's lost me That statement is completely farcical.

And then, of course ~ and most tellingly ~ there is the huge mainland Indian state of Tamil Nadu just across the water from Sri Lanka.

Refugees from Sri Lanka go to Tamil Nadu if they haven't been involved in war crimes.

Refugees who are escaping from trial for war crimes go to ... Australia.

seems logical to me herbert.

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Reply #130 - Jul 5^th, 2014 at 3:05pm

ian wrote on Jul 5^th, 2014 at 3:02pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 5^th, 2014 at 2:40pm:

Soren wrote on Jul 5^th, 2014 at 1:03pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 11:33pm:

Soren wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 9:22pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 8:37pm:

austranger wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 8:31pm:

So far as I'm aware the immigration act requires that anyone entering Oz must have a current visa, and that those seeking to settle here permanently must first be assessed and granted right of entry.
Therefore those forcing a landing anywhere here without such visa or approval are contravening the act, which is against the law, thus, illegal.

Could you please provide a link to the Section of the relevant Act that proscribes entering without a visa?

Not too much to ask, surely.

If you can provide that, it would indeed show that entering without a visa is illegal.

Because, as we all know, in order for something to be illegal it must be proscribed by an Act. Agreed?

So, over to you ...

So why do you think they ask for your passport and visa at airport, Prickadonna, if such things are redundant?

Nobody has ever said that passports and visas are redundant.

Good.

That's why they are not allwed in without them.

... unless they're seeking asylum, of course.

Incorrect, there is no law which states asylum seekers are legally or lawfully allowed to enter australia.

And nobody said there was.

Back in your box.

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Reply #131 - Jul 5^th, 2014 at 3:28pm

ian wrote on Jul 5^th, 2014 at 3:03pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 5^th, 2014 at 1:52pm:

And then, of course ~ and most tellingly ~ there is the huge mainland Indian state of Tamil Nadu just across the water from Sri Lanka.

Refugees from Sri Lanka go to Tamil Nadu if they haven't been involved in war crimes.

Refugees who are escaping from trial for war crimes go to ... Australia.

seems logical to me herbert.

Australia is the final destination of a ratline escape route for Sri Lankan war criminals. The High Commissioner to Australia said this around two years ago when the Sri Lankan boat people began to arrive.

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Reply #132 - Jul 5^th, 2014 at 3:39pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 5^th, 2014 at 2:40pm:

Soren wrote on Jul 5^th, 2014 at 1:03pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 11:33pm:

Soren wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 9:22pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 8:37pm:

austranger wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 8:31pm:

So far as I'm aware the immigration act requires that anyone entering Oz must have a current visa, and that those seeking to settle here permanently must first be assessed and granted right of entry.
Therefore those forcing a landing anywhere here without such visa or approval are contravening the act, which is against the law, thus, illegal.

Could you please provide a link to the Section of the relevant Act that proscribes entering without a visa?

Not too much to ask, surely.

If you can provide that, it would indeed show that entering without a visa is illegal.

Because, as we all know, in order for something to be illegal it must be proscribed by an Act. Agreed?

So, over to you ...

So why do you think they ask for your passport and visa at airport, Prickadonna, if such things are redundant?

Nobody has ever said that passports and visas are redundant.

Good.

That's why they are not allwed in without them.

... unless they're seeking asylum, of course.

Bullshit.

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Re: Abbott Mob Illegally Processing Refugees @ Sea
Reply #133 - Jul 5^th, 2014 at 3:39pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 5^th, 2014 at 2:40pm:

Soren wrote on Jul 5^th, 2014 at 1:03pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 11:33pm:

Soren wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 9:22pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 8:37pm:

austranger wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 8:31pm:

So far as I'm aware the immigration act requires that anyone entering Oz must have a current visa, and that those seeking to settle here permanently must first be assessed and granted right of entry.
Therefore those forcing a landing anywhere here without such visa or approval are contravening the act, which is against the law, thus, illegal.

Could you please provide a link to the Section of the relevant Act that proscribes entering without a visa?

Not too much to ask, surely.

If you can provide that, it would indeed show that entering without a visa is illegal.

Because, as we all know, in order for something to be illegal it must be proscribed by an Act. Agreed?

So, over to you ...

So why do you think they ask for your passport and visa at airport, Prickadonna, if such things are redundant?

Nobody has ever said that passports and visas are redundant.

Good.

That's why they are not allwed in without them.

... unless they're seeking asylum, of course.

Bullshit.

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Reply #134 - Jul 5^th, 2014 at 3:41pm

DaS Energy wrote on Jul 5^th, 2014 at 3:39pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 5^th, 2014 at 2:40pm:

Soren wrote on Jul 5^th, 2014 at 1:03pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 11:33pm:

Soren wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 9:22pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 8:37pm:

austranger wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 8:31pm:

So far as I'm aware the immigration act requires that anyone entering Oz must have a current visa, and that those seeking to settle here permanently must first be assessed and granted right of entry.
Therefore those forcing a landing anywhere here without such visa or approval are contravening the act, which is against the law, thus, illegal.

Could you please provide a link to the Section of the relevant Act that proscribes entering without a visa?

Not too much to ask, surely.

If you can provide that, it would indeed show that entering without a visa is illegal.

Because, as we all know, in order for something to be illegal it must be proscribed by an Act. Agreed?

So, over to you ...

So why do you think they ask for your passport and visa at airport, Prickadonna, if such things are redundant?

Nobody has ever said that passports and visas are redundant.

Good.

That's why they are not allwed in without them.

... unless they're seeking asylum, of course.

Bullshit.

No, quite true.

Are you suggesting that no asylum seeker has ever made it into Australia without a passport and visa?

You wouldn't be that silly, would you?

I can assure you many have been allowed in.

Would you like to reconsider your response?

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