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Reply #150 - Jul 5^th, 2014 at 6:26pm

hermoine wrote on Jul 5^th, 2014 at 11:52am:

Stratos wrote on Jul 5^th, 2014 at 11:45am:

hermoine wrote on Jul 5^th, 2014 at 11:38am:

Who made it concrete that every Tamil in the world is under threat of death?

Nobody, and I doubt you will find anyone arguing this. However, Tamils are a persecuted minority and I believe their claims (like anyone) should be assessed, and that handing them back to a government which is known to persecute them without conducting the proper checks is wrong.

As I understand their backgrounds are being checked and many just don't have grounds to stay in Australia.

Really? Care to provide evidence? Roll Eyes

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Reply #151 - Jul 5^th, 2014 at 6:28pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 5^th, 2014 at 1:43pm:

Stratos wrote on Jul 5^th, 2014 at 11:32am:

Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 5^th, 2014 at 11:11am:

And then once again, if you place no credibility upon Australia's recent Labor Foreign Minister declaring openly that these Sri Lankans are economic migrants, then perhaps you should take it up with him, and not me.

Bob Carr has never come out with any evidence, and I have provided you with three fact finding sources, all of which say that his claim is devoid of evidence.

I'll trust Bob Carr on this one. He had sources that don't get typed up as URL's for the general public to access on the Internet. And he would have had phone calls from well-placed people who were close to the action.

Not everything gets written down. He was right there with Ministerial Clearance to hear everything that was being said by ASIO and other insiders.

If it isn't written down, Herbie, then it is hearsay and as such cannot be validated or be used in a court of law. Roll Eyes

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Reply #152 - Jul 5^th, 2014 at 6:28pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 5^th, 2014 at 6:26pm:

hermoine wrote on Jul 5^th, 2014 at 11:52am:

Stratos wrote on Jul 5^th, 2014 at 11:45am:

hermoine wrote on Jul 5^th, 2014 at 11:38am:

Who made it concrete that every Tamil in the world is under threat of death?

Nobody, and I doubt you will find anyone arguing this. However, Tamils are a persecuted minority and I believe their claims (like anyone) should be assessed, and that handing them back to a government which is known to persecute them without conducting the proper checks is wrong.

As I understand their backgrounds are being checked and many just don't have grounds to stay in Australia.

Really? Care to provide evidence? Roll Eyes

$5 says we'll see no evidence.

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Andrei.Hicks Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 23818 Carlsbad, CA Gender:	Re: Abbott Mob Illegally Processing Refugees @ Sea Reply #153 - Jul 5^th, 2014 at 6:31pm Both the former and current Foreign Ministers of Australia have declared Sri Lanka safe now. Any shown in their background checks to be Lankan will be a bogus asylum seeker.
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Reply #154 - Jul 5^th, 2014 at 6:32pm

ian wrote on Jul 5^th, 2014 at 3:03pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 5^th, 2014 at 1:52pm:

Stratos wrote on Jul 5^th, 2014 at 11:32am:

Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 5^th, 2014 at 11:11am:

In case you missed my post before.

[quote author=Herbert link=1404330771/110#110 date=1404522676]I do not consider there's any Sri Lankan should leave Sri Lankan shores and ask for refugee status in any country.

And like that he's lost me That statement is completely farcical.

And then, of course ~ and most tellingly ~ there is the huge mainland Indian state of Tamil Nadu just across the water from Sri Lanka.

Refugees from Sri Lanka go to Tamil Nadu if they haven't been involved in war crimes.

Refugees who are escaping from trial for war crimes go to ... Australia.

seems logical to me herbert.

Why do you assume that Tamils from Sri Lanka will not suffer persecution in Tamil Nadu? Roll Eyes

You do realise that India is not a signatory of the 1951 UN Refugee Convention and without the protection that officially recognised Asylum under that convention offers to an Asylum Seeker, the Asylum Seeker can be persecuted, be subject to arbitrary detention and deportation and of course, has no protection against exploitation. Seems like a good reason not to see Asylum in India or any other non-signatory. Roll Eyes

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Reply #155 - Jul 5^th, 2014 at 6:33pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 5^th, 2014 at 6:31pm:

Both the former and current Foreign Ministers of Australia have declared Sri Lanka safe now.
Any shown in their background checks to be Lankan will be a bogus asylum seeker.

Reality is somewhat different from the delusions they and it appears many here wish to live in. Roll Eyes

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Reply #156 - Jul 5^th, 2014 at 6:39pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 5^th, 2014 at 6:31pm:

Both the former and current Foreign Ministers of Australia have declared Sri Lanka safe now.

"Exercise a high degree of caution"

"We advise you to exercise a high degree of caution in Sri Lanka at this time because of the unpredictable security environment. Australians could inadvertently become victims of violence directed at others.

"Security forces maintain a visible presence throughout the country. Military and police checkpoints are present along some roads and road closures can occur without warning.

"You should avoid all demonstrations and large public gatherings as they may turn violent or be a target for politically-motivated attacks. Police have used tear gas in response to protests.

"In the Northern Province of Sri Lanka, which includes Mannar, Vavuniya, Mullaitivu, Kilinochichi and Jaffna Districts, post-conflict security force activity is ongoing.

"In both the Northern and Eastern Provinces you should stay on main roads and pay close attention to signs warning of danger from landmines."

http://www.smartraveller.gov.au/zw-cgi/view/Advice/Sri_Lanka#

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Reply #157 - Jul 5^th, 2014 at 6:46pm

You'll find that for Morocco, Ecuador, Tunisia and South Africa.

Travel advice and accepting bogus asylum seekers is quite different.

Bob Carr was impressed with the work done by the Sri Lankans on reconciliation.
They are just economic migrants now. They aren't fleeing persecution at all.
I certainly don't want that lot coming anymore.

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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 40700 Gender:	Re: Abbott Mob Illegally Processing Refugees @ Sea Reply #158 - Jul 5^th, 2014 at 6:50pm the illegals are headed fro NZ now Wonder how long before NZ takes an effective position on illegals
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Reply #159 - Jul 5^th, 2014 at 6:54pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 5^th, 2014 at 6:46pm:

Travel advice and accepting bogus asylum seekers is quite different.

You said, and I quote, "both the former and current Foreign Ministers of Australia have declared Sri Lanka safe now."

I've provided evidence from the Government's web site clearly stating that it is not safe.

Man up, and admit when you and your Lib mates are wrong.

"We advise you to exercise a high degree of caution in Sri Lanka at this time because of the unpredictable security environment. Australians could inadvertently become victims of violence directed at others."

Would you like to take a guess at who the "others" are?

I'll give you a hint, it's not the tourists.

Do you need some thinking music?

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Andrei.Hicks Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 23818 Carlsbad, CA Gender:	Re: Abbott Mob Illegally Processing Refugees @ Sea Reply #160 - Jul 5^th, 2014 at 6:59pm It's not a Liberal thing. Bob Carr eased the policy on Sri Lanka on his visit. He was right too. We don't them coming anymore.
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Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 38527 Gender:	Re: Abbott Mob Illegally Processing Refugees @ Sea Reply #161 - Jul 5^th, 2014 at 7:04pm Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 5^th, 2014 at 6:59pm: It's not a Liberal thing. Bob Carr eased the policy on Sri Lanka on his visit. He was right too. We don't them coming anymore. Why? What is your problem with Sri Lankans?
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Reply #162 - Jul 5^th, 2014 at 7:22pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 5^th, 2014 at 6:59pm:

It's not a Liberal thing.
Bob Carr eased the policy on Sri Lanka on his visit.

He was right too. We don't them coming anymore.

I see the Royal pronoun being utilised. Who's this "we"? I have no problem with Asylum Seekers from Sri Lanka or anywhere else applying for Asylum in Australia, on the high seas or at any Australian Government office anywhere else.

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 136426 Gender:	Re: Abbott Mob Illegally Processing Refugees @ Sea Reply #163 - Jul 5^th, 2014 at 7:26pm Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 5^th, 2014 at 6:59pm: It's not a Liberal thing. Bob Carr eased the policy on Sri Lanka on his visit. He was right too. We don't them coming anymore. Too dark?
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Andrei.Hicks Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 23818 Carlsbad, CA Gender:	Re: Abbott Mob Illegally Processing Refugees @ Sea Reply #164 - Jul 5^th, 2014 at 7:27pm greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 5^th, 2014 at 7:26pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 5^th, 2014 at 6:59pm: It's not a Liberal thing. Bob Carr eased the policy on Sri Lanka on his visit. He was right too. We don't them coming anymore. Too dark? Race and skin colour are irrelevant to asylum views.
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