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Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 40938	Re: Abbott Mob Illegally Processing Refugees @ Sea Reply #195 - Jul 6^th, 2014 at 12:51am miketrees wrote on Jul 6^th, 2014 at 12:11am: The Libs have done the right thing, no question about it. Consider the alternative, its not worth thinking about. What, showing mercy to those who need it? Giving help to those that request it? Yeah, terrible alternatives, Mike, real terrible.
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Reply #196 - Jul 6^th, 2014 at 12:55am

ian wrote on Jul 5^th, 2014 at 9:36pm:

Aussie wrote on Jul 5^th, 2014 at 7:55pm:

There are other relevant comments/questions already asked, but I'll add this. Do you really reckon some rich bugger would (either alone or with his family) jump on board some leaky boat and risk their life thereon while sailing the high seas if they were not in greater fear of not leaving. Use your head, Andrei.

but they do, they are in no threat in Indonesia yet they risk their lives making the boat trip. so I would be interested in why you think they risk their lives to get here if they are coming from a place where they are not under threat or persecution. Ideas?

Neither India nor Indonesia are signatories to the 1951 UN Convention on Refugees. As a consequence, any refugee seeking Asylum there can be arbitrarily refused. Further, they can be subject to arbitrary detention and petty persecution. They have no legal rights. They can be deported back to the country which they were originally fleeing.

We are signatories yet we appear to be doing the same things. Our membership of the Convention used to at one time mean something and made us a world leader on Human Rights. Xenophobia seems to have destroyed that. Think about it the next time you want to criticise another nation for it's Human Rights record. Roll Eyes

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Reply #197 - Jul 6^th, 2014 at 12:58am

ian wrote on Jul 5^th, 2014 at 10:32pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 5^th, 2014 at 10:08pm:

ian wrote on Jul 5^th, 2014 at 9:36pm:

Aussie wrote on Jul 5^th, 2014 at 7:55pm:

There are other relevant comments/questions already asked, but I'll add this. Do you really reckon some rich bugger would (either alone or with his family) jump on board some leaky boat and risk their life thereon while sailing the high seas if they were not in greater fear of not leaving. Use your head, Andrei.

but they do, they are in no threat in Indonesia yet they risk their lives making the boat trip. so I would be interested in why you think they risk their lives to get here if they are coming from a place where they are not under threat or persecution. Ideas?

In Indonesia they can never work, never own property, never educate their children, .... Indonesia is simply not an option.

not true. But even if it is, why then make their way to Indonesia when there are other, closer places where they will not be persecuted?

Closer to where? As the map below shows (the nations in Grey) are not signatories to the UN Convention on Refugees. Refugees seeking asylum in such countries are subject to arbitrary detention, persecution and deportation back to the nations they are fleeing. Indonesia is merely a rest stop on their journey to seek Asylum.

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Reply #198 - Jul 6^th, 2014 at 1:04am

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 6^th, 2014 at 12:58am:

ian wrote on Jul 5^th, 2014 at 10:32pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 5^th, 2014 at 10:08pm:

ian wrote on Jul 5^th, 2014 at 9:36pm:

Aussie wrote on Jul 5^th, 2014 at 7:55pm:

There are other relevant comments/questions already asked, but I'll add this. Do you really reckon some rich bugger would (either alone or with his family) jump on board some leaky boat and risk their life thereon while sailing the high seas if they were not in greater fear of not leaving. Use your head, Andrei.

but they do, they are in no threat in Indonesia yet they risk their lives making the boat trip. so I would be interested in why you think they risk their lives to get here if they are coming from a place where they are not under threat or persecution. Ideas?

In Indonesia they can never work, never own property, never educate their children, .... Indonesia is simply not an option.

not true. But even if it is, why then make their way to Indonesia when there are other, closer places where they will not be persecuted?

Closer to where? As the map below shows (the nations in Grey) are not signatories to the UN Convention on Refugees. Refugees seeking asylum in such countries are subject to arbitrary detention, persecution and deportation back to the nations they are fleeing. Indonesia is merely a rest stop on their journey to seek Asylum.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3c/Refugeeconvention.PNG/1...

Most of that map looks green to me. What does green mean?

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Reply #199 - Jul 6^th, 2014 at 10:28am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 5^th, 2014 at 7:44pm:

I don't want to share my country with a bunch of cowards.

The Sri Lankans leaving were described a Lankan work colleague to me as useless, trouble makers who wouldn't be missed.

So were taking in other peoples garbage in other words?

Interesting most are men in those boats. So they fled and left the women and children behind?
Like I said cowards. Just what I'd expect from them.

My grandad served in India during the unrest in 1946-48. He told me what they are like on the subcontinent.
Running away and leaving their women is about right for that lot.

I don't want to share my country with cowards.

Thats some classy racism there Andrei.

"My granpapa told me those tinted ones are despicable cowards - sounds about right to me"

Marvelous stuff

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Reply #200 - Jul 6^th, 2014 at 11:07am

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 5^th, 2014 at 3:41pm:

DaS Energy wrote on Jul 5^th, 2014 at 3:39pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 5^th, 2014 at 2:40pm:

Soren wrote on Jul 5^th, 2014 at 1:03pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 11:33pm:

Soren wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 9:22pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 8:37pm:

austranger wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 8:31pm:

So far as I'm aware the immigration act requires that anyone entering Oz must have a current visa, and that those seeking to settle here permanently must first be assessed and granted right of entry.
Therefore those forcing a landing anywhere here without such visa or approval are contravening the act, which is against the law, thus, illegal.

Could you please provide a link to the Section of the relevant Act that proscribes entering without a visa?

Not too much to ask, surely.

If you can provide that, it would indeed show that entering without a visa is illegal.

Because, as we all know, in order for something to be illegal it must be proscribed by an Act. Agreed?

So, over to you ...

So why do you think they ask for your passport and visa at airport, Prickadonna, if such things are redundant?

Nobody has ever said that passports and visas are redundant.

Good.

That's why they are not allwed in without them.

... unless they're seeking asylum, of course.

Bullshit.

No, quite true.

Are you suggesting that no asylum seeker has ever made it into Australia without a passport and visa?

You wouldn't be that silly, would you?

I can assure you many have been allowed in.

Would you like to reconsider your response?

The suggestion is that Labor stupidly allowed them.

But that's over. Now you are not entering illegally, no matter what you pretend to be.

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Reply #201 - Jul 6^th, 2014 at 11:09am

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 6^th, 2014 at 12:58am:

ian wrote on Jul 5^th, 2014 at 10:32pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 5^th, 2014 at 10:08pm:

ian wrote on Jul 5^th, 2014 at 9:36pm:

Aussie wrote on Jul 5^th, 2014 at 7:55pm:

There are other relevant comments/questions already asked, but I'll add this. Do you really reckon some rich bugger would (either alone or with his family) jump on board some leaky boat and risk their life thereon while sailing the high seas if they were not in greater fear of not leaving. Use your head, Andrei.

but they do, they are in no threat in Indonesia yet they risk their lives making the boat trip. so I would be interested in why you think they risk their lives to get here if they are coming from a place where they are not under threat or persecution. Ideas?

In Indonesia they can never work, never own property, never educate their children, .... Indonesia is simply not an option.

not true. But even if it is, why then make their way to Indonesia when there are other, closer places where they will not be persecuted?

Closer to where? As the map below shows (the nations in Grey) are not signatories to the UN Convention on Refugees. Refugees seeking asylum in such countries are subject to arbitrary detention, persecution and deportation back to the nations they are fleeing. Indonesia is merely a rest stop on their journey to seek Asylum.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3c/Refugeeconvention.PNG/1...

So you cannot see any green countries closer to Afghanistan, Iran, Iraq, Syria than Australia?

Really?

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Reply #202 - Jul 6^th, 2014 at 11:25am

Soren wrote on Jul 6^th, 2014 at 11:09am:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 6^th, 2014 at 12:58am:

ian wrote on Jul 5^th, 2014 at 10:32pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 5^th, 2014 at 10:08pm:

ian wrote on Jul 5^th, 2014 at 9:36pm:

Aussie wrote on Jul 5^th, 2014 at 7:55pm:

There are other relevant comments/questions already asked, but I'll add this. Do you really reckon some rich bugger would (either alone or with his family) jump on board some leaky boat and risk their life thereon while sailing the high seas if they were not in greater fear of not leaving. Use your head, Andrei.

but they do, they are in no threat in Indonesia yet they risk their lives making the boat trip. so I would be interested in why you think they risk their lives to get here if they are coming from a place where they are not under threat or persecution. Ideas?

In Indonesia they can never work, never own property, never educate their children, .... Indonesia is simply not an option.

not true. But even if it is, why then make their way to Indonesia when there are other, closer places where they will not be persecuted?

Closer to where? As the map below shows (the nations in Grey) are not signatories to the UN Convention on Refugees. Refugees seeking asylum in such countries are subject to arbitrary detention, persecution and deportation back to the nations they are fleeing. Indonesia is merely a rest stop on their journey to seek Asylum.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3c/Refugeeconvention.PNG/1...

So you cannot see any green countries closer to Afghanistan, Iran, Iraq, Syria than Australia?

Really?

Perhaps none with Centrelink offices Soren.

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Reply #203 - Jul 6^th, 2014 at 11:29am

Soren wrote on Jul 6^th, 2014 at 11:07am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 5^th, 2014 at 3:41pm:

DaS Energy wrote on Jul 5^th, 2014 at 3:39pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 5^th, 2014 at 2:40pm:

Soren wrote on Jul 5^th, 2014 at 1:03pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 11:33pm:

Soren wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 9:22pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 8:37pm:

austranger wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 8:31pm:

So far as I'm aware the immigration act requires that anyone entering Oz must have a current visa, and that those seeking to settle here permanently must first be assessed and granted right of entry.
Therefore those forcing a landing anywhere here without such visa or approval are contravening the act, which is against the law, thus, illegal.

Could you please provide a link to the Section of the relevant Act that proscribes entering without a visa?

Not too much to ask, surely.

If you can provide that, it would indeed show that entering without a visa is illegal.

Because, as we all know, in order for something to be illegal it must be proscribed by an Act. Agreed?

So, over to you ...

So why do you think they ask for your passport and visa at airport, Prickadonna, if such things are redundant?

Nobody has ever said that passports and visas are redundant.

Good.

That's why they are not allwed in without them.

... unless they're seeking asylum, of course.

Bullshit.

No, quite true.

Are you suggesting that no asylum seeker has ever made it into Australia without a passport and visa?

You wouldn't be that silly, would you?

I can assure you many have been allowed in.

Would you like to reconsider your response?

The suggestion is that Labor stupidly allowed them.

But that's over. Now you are not entering illegally, no matter what you pretend to be.

Correct: they're not entering illegally.

Took you a while to figure it out.

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 136426 Gender:	Re: Abbott Mob Illegally Processing Refugees @ Sea Reply #204 - Jul 6^th, 2014 at 11:30am Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 5^th, 2014 at 11:18pm: Abbott mob winning over the illegals Nope. They come in by plane, every single day. Every. Single. Day.
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aquascoot Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 34360 Gender:	Re: Abbott Mob Illegally Processing Refugees @ Sea Reply #205 - Jul 6^th, 2014 at 11:49am greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 6^th, 2014 at 11:30am: Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 5^th, 2014 at 11:18pm: Abbott mob winning over the illegals Nope. They come in by plane, every single day. Every. Single. Day. Thats fine. People who come by plane have learnt to respect queues. Boat arrivals havent
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Reply #206 - Jul 6^th, 2014 at 11:53am

aquascoot wrote on Jul 6^th, 2014 at 11:49am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 6^th, 2014 at 11:30am:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 5^th, 2014 at 11:18pm:

Abbott mob winning over the illegals

Nope.

They come in by plane, every single day.

Every. Single. Day.

Thats fine.
People who come by plane have learnt to respect queues.
Boat arrivals havent

There is no queue to become an asylum seeker.

Larry and Andrew lied to you.

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Reply #207 - Jul 6^th, 2014 at 11:55am

aquascoot wrote on Jul 6^th, 2014 at 11:49am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 6^th, 2014 at 11:30am:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 5^th, 2014 at 11:18pm:

Abbott mob winning over the illegals

Nope.

They come in by plane, every single day.

Every. Single. Day.

Thats fine.

"That's fine"?

You're "fine" with illegal immigrants?

Now we're starting to see the real aquaboy.

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BigOl64 Gold Member Offline Posts: 14438 Townsville QLD Gender:	Re: Abbott Mob Illegally Processing Refugees @ Sea Reply #208 - Jul 6^th, 2014 at 11:58am greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 6^th, 2014 at 11:30am: Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 5^th, 2014 at 11:18pm: Abbott mob winning over the illegals Nope. They come in by plane, every single day. Every. Single. Day. And they get caught and ejected. Every. Single. Day
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Reply #209 - Jul 6^th, 2014 at 12:04pm

BigOl64 wrote on Jul 6^th, 2014 at 11:58am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 6^th, 2014 at 11:30am:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 5^th, 2014 at 11:18pm:

Abbott mob winning over the illegals

Nope.

They come in by plane, every single day.

Every. Single. Day.

And they get caught and ejected.

Every. Single. Day

I don't remember anyone saying anything to the contrary Undecided

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