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Reply #210 - Jul 6th, 2014 at 12:07pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 6th, 2014 at 11:55am:
aquascoot wrote on Jul 6th, 2014 at 11:49am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 6th, 2014 at 11:30am:
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 5th, 2014 at 11:18pm:
Abbott mob winning over the illegals



Nope.

They come in by plane, every single day.

Every.  Single.  Day.



Thats fine.



"That's fine"?

You're "fine" with illegal immigrants?

Now we're starting to see the real aquaboy.





At the cattle sales, you can usually cast your eye over them as they are penned up and it doesnt take long for anyone with a good eye to pick good stock that will enhance your herd from sickly runts who will just weaken your position.

So, a bunch of young fit virile irish backpackers or swedish tourists who want to come by plane and overstay their visa.
great stuff.
Sort of like if a couple of prime angus heiffers turned up in my paddock uninvited.

A bunch of whiney whingey pushy sri lankans with centrelink on speed dial.
No thanks.
That would be like a few old diseased jersey cows with TB and brucellosis breaching my perimeter.
Out with bikes and drive em back through the fence.

see, no one minds migrants. i like rich chinese, i like energetic south africans, i want german engineers and tech guys from seoul.


I just think as the owner of the land, i have the say in how we stock it.
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Re: Abbott Mob Illegally Processing Refugees @ Sea
Reply #211 - Jul 6th, 2014 at 12:07pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Jul 6th, 2014 at 11:49am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 6th, 2014 at 11:30am:
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 5th, 2014 at 11:18pm:
Abbott mob winning over the illegals



Nope.

They come in by plane, every single day.

Every.  Single.  Day.



Thats fine.
People who come by plane have learnt to respect queues.
Boat arrivals havent



Just to recap:

aquaboy is "fine" with "illegals", as long as they form an orderly queue.

How about murderers and rapists, aqua?  All OK, as long as they form an orderly queue in order to get to their victims?

If Rolf Harris had taken a ticket, would his crimes be "fine"?

It's interesting seeing the real aquaboy.  Very interesting.

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Reply #212 - Jul 6th, 2014 at 12:21pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Jul 6th, 2014 at 12:07pm:
So, a bunch of young fit virile irish backpackers or swedish tourists who want to come by plane and overstay their visa.
great stuff.



"fine"   "great stuff" 

Your Führer doesn't agree:

"Illegal workers create a number of problems within the Australian community.

"They:

"reduce employment opportunities for those with permission to work in Australia

"place an additional burden on the taxpayer in terms of costs associated with locating and removing illegal workers, uncollected taxes and fraudulently claimed government benefits

"disadvantage employers who employ legal workers because they may not be able to compete with those who employ and under-pay illegal workers

"may be subject to exploitation and organised criminal activity

"may not meet the stringent health and character tests undertaken by holders of a visa with permission to work."

https://www.immi.gov.au/media/fact-sheets/87illegal.htm

All "fine" and "great" with you, because they formed an orderly queue.

This is turning out to be a most revealing Sunday morning.

To anyone else, I would suggest putting down the shovel and walking away.  However, I'm enjoying seeing you dig this hole so much that I'm not going to say a word.

Please, continue ...
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Re: Abbott Mob Illegally Processing Refugees @ Sea
Reply #213 - Jul 6th, 2014 at 12:35pm
 
we are in a good position to learn from the mistakes of the european countries. the disaster of multiculti in places like holland and france and the mother country Wink Wink.

so, immigration is good.and we need to open our borders to those who are useful to us.

as i said, smart people, those who will improve our national stock (people are our greatest asset, gweg, or in your case a liability).

anyway , we invite in smart people , just like John Howard said.
"we will decide who comes to our country and the circumstances under which they come"
now, i think the australian people (the "we" to which john refers) would "decide" that a few overstaying canadians or swedes are welcome to stay.
centrelink seeking country shoppers , maybe not so much Wink Wink
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Reply #214 - Jul 6th, 2014 at 12:46pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Jul 6th, 2014 at 12:07pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 6th, 2014 at 11:55am:
[quote author=aquascoot link=1404330771/205#205 date=1404611342][quote author=greggerypeccary link=1404330771/204#204 date=1404610258][quote author=sprintcyclist link=1404330771/192#192 date=1404566327]




At the cattle sales, you can usually cast your eye over them as they are penned up and it doesnt take long for anyone with a good eye to pick good stock that will enhance your herd from sickly runts who will just weaken your position.

So, a bunch of young fit virile irish backpackers or swedish tourists who want to come by plane and overstay their visa.
great stuff.
Sort of like if a couple of prime angus heiffers turned up in my paddock uninvited.

A bunch of whiney whingey pushy sri lankans with centrelink on speed dial.
No thanks.
That would be like a few old diseased jersey cows with TB and brucellosis breaching my perimeter.
Out with bikes and drive em back through the fence.

see, no one minds migrants. i like rich chinese, i like energetic south africans, i want german engineers and tech guys from seoul.


I just think as the owner of the land, i have the say in how we stock it.
good point. i dont know about the irish backpackers though, we have enough professional drunkards in this country already in  my opinion. And inadvertantly Howards push on immigrants with english language capabilites and education has backfired on us, the largest group on immigrants at the moment are native english speaking Indians with worthless Indian uni degrees but they tick the boxes. inbred, congenitally physically lazy middle caste class Indians are the last people you want flooding into this country but this is what is ocurring currently. so our immigration debate always has to have a racial component to it and we as australians need to get over the cries of racism and accept that race is a big factor.
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Re: Abbott Mob Illegally Processing Refugees @ Sea
Reply #215 - Jul 6th, 2014 at 12:52pm
 
ian wrote on Jul 6th, 2014 at 12:46pm:
aquascoot wrote on Jul 6th, 2014 at 12:07pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 6th, 2014 at 11:55am:
[quote author=aquascoot link=1404330771/205#205 date=1404611342][quote author=greggerypeccary link=1404330771/204#204 date=1404610258][quote author=sprintcyclist link=1404330771/192#192 date=1404566327]




At the cattle sales, you can usually cast your eye over them as they are penned up and it doesnt take long for anyone with a good eye to pick good stock that will enhance your herd from sickly runts who will just weaken your position.

So, a bunch of young fit virile irish backpackers or swedish tourists who want to come by plane and overstay their visa.
great stuff.
Sort of like if a couple of prime angus heiffers turned up in my paddock uninvited.

A bunch of whiney whingey pushy sri lankans with centrelink on speed dial.
No thanks.
That would be like a few old diseased jersey cows with TB and brucellosis breaching my perimeter.
Out with bikes and drive em back through the fence.

see, no one minds migrants. i like rich chinese, i like energetic south africans, i want german engineers and tech guys from seoul.


I just think as the owner of the land, i have the say in how we stock it.
good point. i dont know about the irish backpackers though, we have enough professional drunkards in this country already in  my opinion. And inadvertantly Howards push on immigrants with english language capabilites and education has backfired on us, the largest group on immigrants at the moment are native english speaking Indians with worthless Indian uni degrees but they tick the boxes. inbred, congenitally physically lazy middle caste class Indians are the last people you want flooding into this country but this is what is ocurring currently. so our immigration debate always has to have a racial component to it and we as australians need to get over the cries of racism and accept that race is a big factor.


Seem's to be a lot of call centre worker arriving  Angry Angry Angry Angry
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Reply #216 - Jul 6th, 2014 at 1:06pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Jul 6th, 2014 at 12:07pm:
Sort of like if a couple of prime angus heiffers turned up in my paddock uninvited.



And we all know which one would get to stay:


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Reply #217 - Jul 6th, 2014 at 1:08pm
 
ian wrote on Jul 6th, 2014 at 1:04am:
Most of that map looks green to me. What does green mean?


Signatory.  Yet most of the nations being discussed as "half-way stops" are grey.   So, what advantage would there be for refugees to stay in them?   Roll Eyes
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Reply #218 - Jul 6th, 2014 at 1:10pm
 
Soren wrote on Jul 6th, 2014 at 11:09am:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 6th, 2014 at 12:58am:
ian wrote on Jul 5th, 2014 at 10:32pm:
John Smith wrote on Jul 5th, 2014 at 10:08pm:
ian wrote on Jul 5th, 2014 at 9:36pm:
Aussie wrote on Jul 5th, 2014 at 7:55pm:

There are other relevant comments/questions already asked, but I'll add this.  Do you really reckon some rich bugger would (either alone or with his family) jump on board some leaky boat and risk their life thereon while sailing the high seas if they were not in greater fear of not leaving.  Use your head, Andrei.
but they do, they are in no threat in Indonesia yet they risk their lives making the boat trip. so I would be interested in why you think they risk their lives to get here if they are coming from a place where they are not under threat or persecution. Ideas?


In Indonesia they can never work, never own property, never educate their children,  .... Indonesia is simply not an option.
not true. But even if it is, why then make their way to Indonesia when there are other, closer places where they will not be persecuted?



Closer to where?  As the map below shows (the nations in Grey) are not signatories to the UN Convention on Refugees.  Refugees seeking asylum in such countries are subject to arbitrary detention, persecution and deportation back to the nations they are fleeing.  Indonesia is merely a rest stop on their journey to seek Asylum.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3c/Refugeeconvention.PNG/1...



So you cannot see any green countries closer to Afghanistan, Iran, Iraq, Syria than Australia?

Really?



That was not the point being made, Soren but I'm not surprised you'd twist it to your own purposes.  Try again.  You might figure it out...eventually.   Roll Eyes
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Reply #219 - Jul 6th, 2014 at 1:12pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 6th, 2014 at 1:08pm:
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Signatory.  Yet most of the nations being discussed as "half-way stops" are grey.   So, what advantage would there be for refugees to stay in them?   Roll Eyes
what is the advantage for them to go there when there are plenty of other signatory countries closer? Can you guess?
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Reply #220 - Jul 6th, 2014 at 1:14pm
 
BigOl64 wrote on Jul 6th, 2014 at 11:58am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 6th, 2014 at 11:30am:
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 5th, 2014 at 11:18pm:
Abbott mob winning over the illegals



Nope.

They come in by plane, every single day.

Every.  Single.  Day.




And they get caught and ejected. 


Every. Single. Day


number of visa overstayers in Australia was around 53,900

Average amount of time a visa overstayer stays in Australia varies from a few days to years.   If they are here for years, they aren't getting caught, now are they?  When they overstay their visa, they do become illegal immigrants.  Yet you and your fellow Xenophobes expend so much energy on a much smaller number of Asylum Seekers who arrive by boat.  I wonder why?   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #221 - Jul 6th, 2014 at 1:17pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 6th, 2014 at 1:14pm:
BigOl64 wrote on Jul 6th, 2014 at 11:58am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 6th, 2014 at 11:30am:
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 5th, 2014 at 11:18pm:
Abbott mob winning over the illegals



Nope.

They come in by plane, every single day.

Every.  Single.  Day.




And they get caught and ejected. 


Every. Single. Day


number of visa overstayers in Australia was around 53,900

Average amount of time a visa overstayer stays in Australia varies from a few days to years.   If they are here for years, they aren't getting caught, now are they?  When they overstay their visa, they do become illegal immigrants.  Yet you and your fellow Xenophobes expend so much energy on a much smaller number of Asylum Seekers who arrive by boat.  I wonder why?   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



Apparently, it's all about queues.

Aquaboy has no problem with people breaking the law, as long as they form an orderly queue.

(Oh, and he doesn't like the tinted ones much - queue or no queue).

The funny thing is, the ones coming by plane are actually "illegals", while those who come by boat are not (and of course, there's no queue to join in order to become an asylum seeker).

One day, aquaboy might learn the difference between asylum seekers and illegal immigrants.  I wouldn't hold my breath waiting though (he's not exactly the sharpest tool in the farm shed).
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Reply #222 - Jul 6th, 2014 at 1:23pm
 
ian wrote on Jul 6th, 2014 at 1:12pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 6th, 2014 at 1:08pm:
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Signatory.  Yet most of the nations being discussed as "half-way stops" are grey.   So, what advantage would there be for refugees to stay in them?   Roll Eyes
what is the advantage for them to go there when there are plenty of other signatory countries closer? Can you guess?


It depends upon many factors but the biggest single one usually mentioned by Asylum seekers is perceptions of safety.  Remember, they are fleeing persecution or had you, in your broad brush attempt to blacken them, forgotten that?   Roll Eyes
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Reply #223 - Jul 6th, 2014 at 1:25pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 6th, 2014 at 1:23pm:
ian wrote on Jul 6th, 2014 at 1:12pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 6th, 2014 at 1:08pm:
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Signatory.  Yet most of the nations being discussed as "half-way stops" are grey.   So, what advantage would there be for refugees to stay in them?   Roll Eyes
what is the advantage for them to go there when there are plenty of other signatory countries closer? Can you guess?


It depends upon many factors but the biggest single one usually mentioned by Asylum seekers is perceptions of safety.  Remember, they are fleeing persecution or had you, in your broad brush attempt to blacken them, forgotten that?   Roll Eyes

Perhaps, but im not seeing it. Why pick Indonesia?
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Reply #224 - Jul 6th, 2014 at 1:29pm
 
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Fairfax Media reports the asylum seekers are being asked their name, country of origin, where they had come from and why they had left before their claim for asylum is considered, but lawyer Julian Burnside says Australia could be guilty of refoulement.

Non-refoulement is a key facet of refugee law, regarding protection of refugees from being returned to areas where their lives or freedoms could be threatened.



... and ANYONE in support of this
Abbott regime
- is JUST as guilty of condoning murder, torture and rape as the
Sinhalese perpetrators



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