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ian Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 9451	Re: Abbott Mob Illegally Processing Refugees @ Sea Reply #15 - Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 10:52am why dont Tamils just seek asylum in Tamil majority populated and governed neighbouring Tamil Nadu? Its a few hundred miles from Sri lanka.
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Reply #16 - Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 11:09am

Abbott, Morrison and Bishop and all their hangers on have the blood of human sacrifice on their hands. How low can we get?

Sri Lanka thanks Australia for its 'bold' decision

The Sri Lankan government has publicly thanked Australia for its "bold" decision not to co-sponsor a UN resolution to investigate alleged human rights abuses in the south Asian nation.

According to a statement by the Sri Lankan high commission, Sri Lanka thanked Australia for the ‘‘bold decision of not co-sponsoring this year’s human rights resolution on Sri Lanka’’.

Immigration Minister Scott Morrison and the head of Operation Sovereign Borders, Lieutenant-General Angus Campbell, welcomed a Sri Lanka delegation, including Defence Secretary Gotabaya Rajapaksa, formally invited by the federal government.

“The visit shows the price this Government is willing to pay in its one-eyed obsession to stop the boats," said Emily Howie, director of Advocacy and Research Human Rights Law Centre. "Not just silence on ongoing human rights abuses in Sri Lanka, but a concerted effort to stifle international efforts at justice for victims of war crimes and crimes against humanity,” Ms Howie said.

Ms Bishop voiced her opposition to an international investigation into the alleged war crimes in March, saying she was not convinced that the UN-backed inquiry was "the best way forward", refusing to co-sponsor the UN's independent investigation.
During November's Commonwealth Heads of Government Meeting, Australia did not join other major countries that crtiticised the regime's human rights abuses. Both India and Canada boycotted the meeting, while the United Kingdom's prime minister David Cameron publicly condemned the regime.

In contrast, Prime Minister Tony Abbott presented the government with two patrol boats.

Aiding and abetting in human rights abuses.....charming!

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http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/sri-lanka-thanks-australia...

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andrei said: Great isn't it? Seeing boatloads of what is nothing more than human garbage turn up.....

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Reply #17 - Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 11:17am

ian wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 10:52am:

why dont Tamils just seek asylum in Tamil majority populated and governed neighbouring Tamil Nadu? Its a few hundred miles from Sri lanka.

Sorry Ian, simple logic just doesn't cut it in this ludicrous "asylum seeker" debate!
While I agree that we have a right to know exactly what our government is doing I by and large agree with their attitude, these illegal immigrants should NOT be admitted into Australia.
If relief from perceived threat or danger of abuse was what they were really after then there are far more easy places to run, India just for starters, but by attempting to use the UN to force their way in here they PROVE they are only economic migrants, nothing more.
As far as I'm concerned Australia could do nothing more useful and sensible than withdrawing from the UN entirely, they're nothing more than a hyper-expensive self-serving mob of ideological IDIOTS!
Show me a single good that membership of the UN has done for Australia?
Look at the $million$ it has cost us, for NO benefit and many problems!

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Reply #18 - Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 12:06pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 9:49am:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 9:38am:

We no longer have scores of illegals daily coming here ...

Incorrect (once again).

"There are 13 times more illegal immigrants than there are asylum seekers in detention who have arrived by boat.

"Figures obtained by The Advertiser from the Immigration Department and under the Freedom of Information Act show plane arrivals from the United States (5080) and Britain (3610) are near the top of the list of those in the country without a valid visa. China (8070), and Malaysia (4200) round out the top four."

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/illegal-immigrants-arrive-by-plane/story-e6fr...

if they arrive by plane they arrive legally.

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.........Emily Howie, director of Advocacy and Research Human Rights Law Centre........

What is that job ? sobbing crocodile tears over the worlds losers from a comfy chair while on a big salary.

The libs should sack that deprtment. I would

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Reply #19 - Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 12:07pm

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 7:14am:

We, the people of Australia have a right to know what our government is doing with those seeking asylum in our country.

If found guilty of unlawful activities, Abbott and Morrison should be hauled before the international court.

What country in the world would hand asylum seekers back to the very people they were fleeing? What have we become? What maniacs do we have in charge?

Rubbish.....as usual!

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Reply #20 - Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 12:12pm

ian wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 10:52am:

why dont Tamils just seek asylum in Tamil majority populated and governed neighbouring Tamil Nadu?

They do.

The guy who burned himself to death was from there - and was promised by Morrison to go, not back "home", but to Sri Lanka, where he was convinced he would be arrested and tortured.

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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #21 - Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 12:43pm

Rhet-Oracle wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 12:07pm:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 7:14am:

We, the people of Australia have a right to know what our government is doing with those seeking asylum in our country.

If found guilty of unlawful activities, Abbott and Morrison should be hauled before the international court.

What country in the world would hand asylum seekers back to the very people they were fleeing? What have we become? What maniacs do we have in charge?

Rubbish.....as usual!

Which bit is "rubbish"?

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Reply #22 - Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 12:52pm

Kytro wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 9:48am:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 9:38am:

Efficient, effective.

Well done Libs.

We no longer have scores of illegals daily coming here, risking their own lives and lives of Australians.
Everyone is safer.

It is a magnificant victory.

It's a blight on our record - if I felt any responsbility for the policy I'd be ashamed.

A government willing to treat people they way they have for political ends is dangerous and heartless.

If I believed in people deserving things, I'd say anyone who supports this policy deserves to become a refugee and have to deal with the situation first hand.

I'd be ashamed, too, if I supported the Labor way!

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Scott Morrison DID wipe the floor with Bull Shitten!!!

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Reply #23 - Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 12:56pm

austranger wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 11:17am:

ian wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 10:52am:

why dont Tamils just seek asylum in Tamil majority populated and governed neighbouring Tamil Nadu? Its a few hundred miles from Sri lanka.

Sorry Ian, simple logic just doesn't cut it in this ludicrous "asylum seeker" debate!
While I agree that we have a right to know exactly what our government is doing I by and large agree with their attitude, these illegal immigrants should NOT be admitted into Australia.
If relief from perceived threat or danger of abuse was what they were really after then there are far more easy places to run, India just for starters, but by attempting to use the UN to force their way in here they PROVE they are only economic migrants, nothing more.
As far as I'm concerned Australia could do nothing more useful and sensible than withdrawing from the UN entirely, they're nothing more than a hyper-expensive self-serving mob of ideological IDIOTS!
Show me a single good that membership of the UN has done for Australia?
Look at the $million$ it has cost us, for NO benefit and many problems!

bump
we pay them money and they give us problems.

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Reply #24 - Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 1:15pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 12:12pm:

ian wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 10:52am:

why dont Tamils just seek asylum in Tamil majority populated and governed neighbouring Tamil Nadu?

They do.

The guy who burned himself to death was from there - and was promised by Morrison to go, not back "home", but to Sri Lanka, where he was convinced he would be arrested and tortured.

Did he make a wrong turn?

The winds weren't favourable?

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Reply #25 - Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 1:26pm

Swagman wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 1:15pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 12:12pm:

ian wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 10:52am:

why dont Tamils just seek asylum in Tamil majority populated and governed neighbouring Tamil Nadu?

They do.

The guy who burned himself to death was from there - and was promised by Morrison to go, not back "home", but to Sri Lanka, where he was convinced he would be arrested and tortured.

Did he make a wrong turn?

The winds weren't favourable?

That's how stupid he was.
No wonder the left loved him.

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Reply #26 - Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 2:27pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 12:52pm:

Kytro wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 9:48am:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 9:38am:

Efficient, effective.

Well done Libs.

We no longer have scores of illegals daily coming here, risking their own lives and lives of Australians.
Everyone is safer.

It is a magnificant victory.

It's a blight on our record - if I felt any responsbility for the policy I'd be ashamed.

A government willing to treat people they way they have for political ends is dangerous and heartless.

If I believed in people deserving things, I'd say anyone who supports this policy deserves to become a refugee and have to deal with the situation first hand.

I'd be ashamed, too, if I supported the Labor way!

Absolutely.

Both the Libs and the ALP should be ashamed of the way they've treated asylum seekers.

There are no winners in this situation.

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Reply #27 - Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 2:30pm

ian wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 10:41am:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 9:25am:

Morrison officially calls boat people “illegal” in an attempt to convey the impression that they are criminals, when in fact they commit no offence at all by coming here as they do.

Clever spin but Morrison is correct. Just because no offence is committed does not make the fact of the entry legal, it is still an illegal act to enter without a valid visa. You and the author are under the illusion that an illegal act must have a penalty, this is incorrect.

Actually, it isn't. The Immigration Act officially declares it "unlawful" NOT "illegal". Grin

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Reply #28 - Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 2:35pm

|dev|null wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 2:30pm:

ian wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 10:41am:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 9:25am:

Morrison officially calls boat people “illegal” in an attempt to convey the impression that they are criminals, when in fact they commit no offence at all by coming here as they do.

Clever spin but Morrison is correct. Just because no offence is committed does not make the fact of the entry legal, it is still an illegal act to enter without a valid visa. You and the author are under the illusion that an illegal act must have a penalty, this is incorrect.

Actually, it isn't. The Immigration Act officially declares it "unlawful" NOT "illegal". Grin

"unlawful" NOT "illegal".

Care to explain the difference, especially in how it applies in this circumstance? Cool

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Reply #29 - Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 2:42pm

austranger wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 2:35pm:

|dev|null wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 2:30pm:

ian wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 10:41am:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 9:25am:

Morrison officially calls boat people “illegal” in an attempt to convey the impression that they are criminals, when in fact they commit no offence at all by coming here as they do.

Clever spin but Morrison is correct. Just because no offence is committed does not make the fact of the entry legal, it is still an illegal act to enter without a valid visa. You and the author are under the illusion that an illegal act must have a penalty, this is incorrect.

Actually, it isn't. The Immigration Act officially declares it "unlawful" NOT "illegal". Grin

"unlawful" NOT "illegal".

Care to explain the difference, especially in how it applies in this circumstance? Cool

"Illegal" assumes a judgement has been made by a properly convened judicial authority against the individual concerned. In this case, the Immigration Review Tribunal.

"Unlawful" simply states that it is against the law. No judgement has been made as to whether or not the individual is guilty of the offence they are being charged with. Grin

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