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Reply #75 - Jul 4^th, 2014 at 8:56pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 8:43pm:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 9:25am:

Stop the lies Morriscum!

Silence on missing asylum seeker boat a disgrace to the nation

I never knew there were so many rats in the nation's silos! Self-hating anti-Westerners who can't wait for the International Socialists to tear down the national borders and allow the Third and Fourth World to come swamping the West like a biblical plague.

I'm thinking of setting up a little candle-lit shrine in the corner of the lounge-room to Abbott and Scott Morrison for the miracles they have performed in just their short time in office.

Little translucent red glass cups with flickering candles inside. Scrolls with gold lettering proclaiming their divine status as miracle workers. Joss-sticks, incense and myrrh. The Whole 9 yards.

Come on Walter! Turn it up! Mr Abbott's sole interest and intent is to save women, children and families drowning in Achmed's leaky boat while they take the risky voyage to Australia. That is what this is all about, yeas?

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Reply #76 - Jul 4^th, 2014 at 8:56pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 8:43pm:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 9:25am:

Stop the lies Morriscum!

Silence on missing asylum seeker boat a disgrace to the nation

I never knew there were so many rats in the nation's silos! Self-hating anti-Westerners who can't wait for the International Socialists to tear down the national borders and allow the Third and Fourth World to come swamping the West like a biblical plague.

I'm thinking of setting up a little candle-lit shrine in the corner of the lounge-room to Abbott and Scott Morrison for the miracles they have performed in just their short time in office.

Little translucent red glass cups with flickering candles inside. Scrolls with gold lettering proclaiming their divine status as miracle workers. Joss-sticks, incense and myrrh. The Whole 9 yards.

Tell us, Larry, why do you think denying asylum seekers asylum is a good thing?

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Reply #77 - Jul 4^th, 2014 at 8:57pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 8:11pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 7:53pm:

ian wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 7:22pm:

|dev|null wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 5:04pm:

We are not talking about "an act" we are talking about how the perpetrator is described.

You may have noticed how the ABC describes a person who has allegedly committed a criminal act - they use the word "allegedly" for a reason, a legal reason. You cannot describe a person as a criminal unless they have been convicted of a criminal offence, otherwise they'll sue the pants off you.

Same goes for Asylum Seekers. They have not been convicted of any illegal act. They may have committed an "unlawful" act but they haven't been convicted of anything.

As it is, coming to Australia and seeking Asylum as you have been told many times is not an illegal act. Arriving by boat without documentation, is an unlawful act. If you fail to produce the documentation required and your claim for Asylum is disallowed, then you can be described as an "illegal immigrant". NOT BEFORE. This is basic law. Go put the Dunce's Hat on, sit on the stool in the corner. Grin

any person who enters australia without a valid visa does so illegally, this may not make them a criminal however it is still an illegal act.

Incorrect.

Entering without a visa is not proscribed in any piece of Australian legislation.

In order for something to be illegal, it must be proscribed in an Act. This is a simple fact. Not my opinion: a legal fact.

That's the way it is. I thought we were all clear on this.

Actually it IS proscribed by UN legislation...

Continue ...

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Reply #78 - Jul 4^th, 2014 at 9:02pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 8:43pm:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 9:25am:

Stop the lies Morriscum!

Silence on missing asylum seeker boat a disgrace to the nation

I never knew there were so many rats in the nation's silos! Self-hating anti-Westerners who can't wait for the International Socialists to tear down the national borders and allow the Third and Fourth World to come swamping the West like a biblical plague.

I'm thinking of setting up a little candle-lit shrine in the corner of the lounge-room to Abbott and Scott Morrison for the miracles they have performed in just their short time in office.

Little translucent red glass cups with flickering candles inside. Scrolls with gold lettering proclaiming their divine status as miracle workers. Joss-sticks, incense and myrrh. The Whole 9 yards.

Worshipping false idols, Herbie? You'll be drummed out of the Judeo-Christian Defence League! Grin

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Someone said we could not judge a person's Aboriginality on their skin colour. Why isn't that applied in the matter of Pascoe? Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Reply #79 - Jul 4^th, 2014 at 9:05pm

The Abbott government has drawn up an additional little proviso to the matter of Australia accepting asylum-seekers who arrive here conventionally or by 'irregular' means ~ which effectively says that if the culture of the person is deemed to be incompatible with Australian values, the option to refuse permanent residence may then be exercised.

Okay, I confess! I've lost my copy of the relevant piece that showed this new inclusion in the rules.

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Reply #80 - Jul 4^th, 2014 at 9:11pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 9:05pm:

The Abbott government has drawn up an additional little proviso to the matter of Australia accepting asylum-seekers who arrive here conventionally or by 'irregular' means ~ which effectively says that if the culture of the person is deemed to be incompatible with Australian values, the option to refuse permanent residence may then be exercised.

Okay, I confess! I've lost my copy of the relevant piece that showed this new inclusion in the rules.

Why would they bother doing that?
Everybody knows they shot them and dumped them overboard days ago.

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"You're just one lucky motherf-cker" - Someone, 5th February 2013

Num num num num.

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Reply #82 - Jul 4^th, 2014 at 9:20pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 8:56pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 8:43pm:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 9:25am:

Stop the lies Morriscum!

Silence on missing asylum seeker boat a disgrace to the nation

I never knew there were so many rats in the nation's silos! Self-hating anti-Westerners who can't wait for the International Socialists to tear down the national borders and allow the Third and Fourth World to come swamping the West like a biblical plague.

I'm thinking of setting up a little candle-lit shrine in the corner of the lounge-room to Abbott and Scott Morrison for the miracles they have performed in just their short time in office.

Little translucent red glass cups with flickering candles inside. Scrolls with gold lettering proclaiming their divine status as miracle workers. Joss-sticks, incense and myrrh. The Whole 9 yards.

Tell us, Larry, why do you think denying asylum seekers asylum is a good thing?

If they were, it would be a bad thing. They are not, though. There is no civil war in Sri Lanka. In any case, if they boarded those boats in Tamil Nadu in India, they are country shoppers.
That's why they are booted back.

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Reply #83 - Jul 4^th, 2014 at 9:22pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 8:37pm:

austranger wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 8:31pm:

So far as I'm aware the immigration act requires that anyone entering Oz must have a current visa, and that those seeking to settle here permanently must first be assessed and granted right of entry.
Therefore those forcing a landing anywhere here without such visa or approval are contravening the act, which is against the law, thus, illegal.

Could you please provide a link to the Section of the relevant Act that proscribes entering without a visa?

Not too much to ask, surely.

If you can provide that, it would indeed show that entering without a visa is illegal.

Because, as we all know, in order for something to be illegal it must be proscribed by an Act. Agreed?

So, over to you ...

So why do you think they ask for your passport and visa at airport, Prickadonna, if such things are redundant?

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Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 38526 Gender:	Re: Abbott Mob Illegally Processing Refugees @ Sea Reply #84 - Jul 4^th, 2014 at 10:26pm Yeas. Tony's on the money here. No refoulment at all. Onya Tone, you bewdy. Link. Quote: The Tamil Refugee Council claims at least 11 people who Australia has reportedly handed over to the Sri Lankan navy have been tortured by that country's intelligence services.
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Reply #85 - Jul 4^th, 2014 at 10:32pm

Soren wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 9:20pm:

If they were, it would be a bad thing. They are not, though. There is no civil in Sri Lanka..

And that is why every country not currently undergoing a civil war cannot possibly have any legitimate refugees. Sorry every international conflict, not good enough for Ozpol forums poster Soren.

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Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 15^th, 2014 at 11:24pm:

Thus killing those Canaanite babies while they were still innocent, was a particularly merciful act

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Reply #86 - Jul 4^th, 2014 at 11:31pm

Soren wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 9:20pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 8:56pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 8:43pm:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2014 at 9:25am:

Stop the lies Morriscum!

Silence on missing asylum seeker boat a disgrace to the nation

I never knew there were so many rats in the nation's silos! Self-hating anti-Westerners who can't wait for the International Socialists to tear down the national borders and allow the Third and Fourth World to come swamping the West like a biblical plague.

I'm thinking of setting up a little candle-lit shrine in the corner of the lounge-room to Abbott and Scott Morrison for the miracles they have performed in just their short time in office.

Little translucent red glass cups with flickering candles inside. Scrolls with gold lettering proclaiming their divine status as miracle workers. Joss-sticks, incense and myrrh. The Whole 9 yards.

Tell us, Larry, why do you think denying asylum seekers asylum is a good thing?

If they were, it would be a bad thing. They are not, though. There is no civil in Sri Lanka. In any case, if they boarded those boats in Tamil Nadu in India, they are country shoppers.
That's why they are booted back.

They are claiming asylum.

What part of that don't you understand?

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Reply #87 - Jul 4^th, 2014 at 11:33pm

Soren wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 9:22pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 8:37pm:

austranger wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 8:31pm:

So far as I'm aware the immigration act requires that anyone entering Oz must have a current visa, and that those seeking to settle here permanently must first be assessed and granted right of entry.
Therefore those forcing a landing anywhere here without such visa or approval are contravening the act, which is against the law, thus, illegal.

Could you please provide a link to the Section of the relevant Act that proscribes entering without a visa?

Not too much to ask, surely.

If you can provide that, it would indeed show that entering without a visa is illegal.

Because, as we all know, in order for something to be illegal it must be proscribed by an Act. Agreed?

So, over to you ...

So why do you think they ask for your passport and visa at airport, Prickadonna, if such things are redundant?

Nobody has ever said that passports and visas are redundant.

What on earth are you talking about, Soren?

What have you been drinking tonight?

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Reply #88 - Jul 4^th, 2014 at 11:47pm

Aussie wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 10:26pm:

Yeas. Tony's on the money here. No refoulment at all. Onya Tone, you bewdy.

Link.

Quote:

The Tamil Refugee Council claims at least 11 people who Australia has reportedly handed over to the Sri Lankan navy have been tortured by that country's intelligence services.

yes, lets delve in to this claim made by Quote:

Tamil Refugee Council spokesman Aran Mylvaganam says he has spoken to a relative of people who were on the boat.

He has spoken to a relative of one of these people and knows all about their current circumstances. But when asked about other claims Quote:

Asked if any on board were Tamil Tigers, Mr Mylvaganam said that was unclear.

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Reply #89 - Jul 4^th, 2014 at 11:56pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 11:33pm:

Soren wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 9:22pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 8:37pm:

austranger wrote on Jul 4^th, 2014 at 8:31pm:

So far as I'm aware the immigration act requires that anyone entering Oz must have a current visa, and that those seeking to settle here permanently must first be assessed and granted right of entry.
Therefore those forcing a landing anywhere here without such visa or approval are contravening the act, which is against the law, thus, illegal.

Could you please provide a link to the Section of the relevant Act that proscribes entering without a visa?

Not too much to ask, surely.

If you can provide that, it would indeed show that entering without a visa is illegal.

Because, as we all know, in order for something to be illegal it must be proscribed by an Act. Agreed?

So, over to you ...

So why do you think they ask for your passport and visa at airport, Prickadonna, if such things are redundant?

Nobody has ever said that passports and visas are redundant.

What on earth are you talking about, Soren?

What have you been drinking tonight?

Sorry, that was me. I made a deposit in the milk bottle. It must have fermented.

The old boy should feel better in the morning.

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