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Either Higher GST Or Hike In Income Tax
Jul 4th, 2014 at 6:05am
 
Abbott Government to deliver message that tax reform imminent — either higher GST or hike in income tax

    Renee Viellaris
    The Courier-Mail
    July 04, 2014


AUSTRALIANS will be softened up in the coming months to accept changes to the GST or face paying more income tax.

The Federal Treasury Department has exclusively told The Courier-Mail that if Australians wanted to keep receiving government services they needed to make a choice – pay more income and company tax or take more pain at the bowser and supermarkets.      Sad




“If Australians continue to demand/expect the same or a greater level of services from government, revenue to fund these services will need to be found from somewhere,’’ a Treasury spokesman said.


“If we do not change our tax mix, Australians will need to pay more income tax. That is, given we are seeing a decline in the proportion of indirect taxes (such as) excises and the GST, and absent any other tax changes, income taxation will need to be larger.’’

The comments have gone further than the speech by Treasury Secretary Martin Parkinson to the Association of Mining and Exploration Companies on Wednesday.

Dr Parkinson urged for tax reform, signalling without change the system could have dire consequences for the states and the public. Speculation is mounting the Abbott Government’s white papers on tax and federation reform, due by the end of next year, will include broadening the GST, and encouraging the states to dump inefficient taxes such as stamp duty.

Finance Minister Mathias Cormann told The Courier-Mail yesterday revenue had to be raised the most efficient way.



“We are also committed to a review of our tax system to ensure government revenue is raised in the most efficient way possible,’’ he said.


A spokeswoman for the Newman Government said, “The Premier has made it clear he believes Australians pay enough tax”.

“His push is to ensure a fair share of the tax Queenslanders pay comes back to the state to fund the infrastructure and services a growing state needs.’’

Dr Parkinson hinted in his speech on Wednesday that the public would be regularly massaged about the need for broader-based taxes.

He said without conscious change the economic cost of raising tax from the current tax mix would increase.

“For the community to embrace change in this area, the case for reform has to be compelling and well understood.

“Reform proposals should highlight medium-term economic pay-offs (such as) the positive impacts they will have on individual effort, investment and growth.’’
Originally published as Higher GST or income tax hike — you choose
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Reply #1 - Jul 4th, 2014 at 6:10am
 
Peter      

How else do we ensure that income in > expenditure?  Whatever decision is made, there is no doubt it is going to hurt.  But maybe we are all living beyond our means with our wants being greater than our needs.

Ben    

Raise GST as our income tax base is too small and only shrinking with an aging population. Its not sustainable. We need serious tax reform despite its political unpopularity.

Sean    

He hasn't fulfilled one pre-election promise and here he is, offering choices which we should not have to make! You had all the answers leading up to the election now start putting your money where your mouth is!

Andrew    

Why not fix the GST first? Remove the exemptions for food, health, education and government fees. Remove the exemption for Exports, why should the rest of the world pay less for Australian goods, than Australians? Make imports, particularly software, music and video subject to GST, and companies like Amazon, Google and Microsoft can pay some Company Tax.
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Reply #2 - Jul 4th, 2014 at 6:18am
 
Depends on what those 'government services' are they are discussing.  I get the more than distinct feeling that there are indeed some areas of 'government services' we could do without.

This is the same bullshit line offered by Scandal Newman in Queenslund -

>  we can sell off the farm

>  we can raise taxes

>  we can cut services

Not one word about generating revenue by putting people back into work and reducing their own expenditure on non-items, not one word about unnecessary politician perks that go on for life, not one word about overpriced public servants and 'privatised' corporations such as the submarine thing.... all digging deep enough into the public purse to feed 100-200 pensioners or unemployed at least.... and all just jobs for the cronies in reality.

Disgusting.

We need a REAL commission of audit and not the Ideas of March commission of idiots.

Cancel free trade deals that do not benefit us, impose a proper taxation regime on resources investment and a proper taxation regime on development, cancel the perks of the rich, mandatory local investment percentage in all such resource developments... you know the list by now....

I say boot the lot out now and let's start again....
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Reply #3 - Jul 4th, 2014 at 6:34am
 
How about we get business moving by ditching the GST and thus allowing them to generate more revenue and thus pay more tax... oh - sorry - the big boys don't pay tax..... back to the drawing board....

Maybe ditching the GST would encourage business to employ more people and thus generate a larger income tax base.... no.. that wouldn't work.. business would just soak in the warm sunshine of greater profits....

Nope - we don't need a tax change - we need a change of government to the style of government that actually works for the people in the long term and develops genuine industrial etc infrastructure so as to ensure stability, security and prosperity for its own FIRST... off-shore business last... you listening, Andrei?

I'd have my line of retreat organised if I were you... the days of wine and roses are over here.... Tony said so, but he didn't understand the full ramifications of his mindless rhetoric.... it's over for ALL of you.. fat cats first.
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Reply #4 - Jul 4th, 2014 at 6:36am
 
has anyone ever asked..

can we eat our cake and have it too.??..

thats the way aussies think..

the real saying is..

you cannot have your cake

and eat it too...

get real we want more and more and more.....
but we want to do less and less to get it..

and we also dont want to pay for it...

$7 for a doctor visit... to save god knows how many from terminal illness...

and the world comes crashing in...

we are a nasty greedy  grabbing b unch of parasites.
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Reply #5 - Jul 4th, 2014 at 6:44am
 
Dear cods,  please explain' 'having your cake and eating it too' in terms of what we the people are currently receiving from government. 

Governments present and past have been making the rules - for the simple reason that those rules suit them best - and now that they find their efforts of the past thirty years have been a total and abject failure, they want to keep their cake while eating yours.

That's a more apt use of words there.

Do you really think that the only way out of this government generated impasse for government is to beat up on the pensioners and the unemployed while feeding their fat mates?  Are you serious?

How about:-  Continuing to pump, push and promote women into the workforce by giving them every advantage including huge payouts for sitting at home with the kid while whining about 'keeping talented women in work' etc even when they are already doing well when countless hundreds of thousands have little to nothing... how about THAT 'entitlement'?

THAT one, my dove , is one entitlement long overdue for the scrapheap - it has been the most damaging impact on Western society, culture and economies in history, ans shows no signs of any 'sunset clause' yet, just more endless whining over 'oppression' and 'victim status'.

How is being a fat cat woman handed privilege after privilege more 'oppressive' than having no future, no job and no hope because the job market is flooded with entitlement princes and princesses who want double all while others get nothing?
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Reply #6 - Jul 4th, 2014 at 6:49am
 
We don't want a $7 GP co payment.  Mr Abbott, we don't want your doctor tax.      Sad
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Reply #7 - Jul 4th, 2014 at 6:52am
 
What is this 'more and more' that pensioners and unemployed want?  Costs of living are running away from them almost daily - you are condemning them for wanting to keep up?  And you're happy to pay some Corrmanator from Belgium with his failed European ideas $350k a year plus perks plus his incomes from his other 'work' to tell you you need to tighten your belts?  And pay Tony half a lazy mill to hum and har his way through any question put to him?  And Joe to stand there and utter banalities and rubbish and strut neo-Fascist mindset to everyone publicly daily and cop his lazy heap of spending money?

"Hello, Occupants....."
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Reply #8 - Jul 4th, 2014 at 9:40am
 
cods wrote on Jul 4th, 2014 at 6:36am:
has anyone ever asked..

can we eat our cake and have it too.??..

thats the way aussies think..

the real saying is..

you cannot have your cake

and eat it too...

get real we want more and more and more.....
but we want to do less and less to get it..

and we also dont want to pay for it...

$7 for a doctor visit... to save god knows how many from terminal illness...

and the world comes crashing in...

we are a nasty greedy  grabbing b unch of parasites.


Yes the Ochlocrats are indeed out in force with their sticky noses in the public trough.

Clive, the Greens, Labor are all offering political boiled lollies to con them over.

...

Suckers for pork barrelling..... Sad

...

Clive, the Greens and Labor all want to sweep debt under the carpet so that future generations have to pay for it.   Sad

The net tax-payer is in the minority.  The net tax payer is under represented in the parliament.  Sad

The net tax-payers are slaves to the Ochlocrats, the eco-socialists and the bums.  Sad

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Reply #9 - Jul 4th, 2014 at 10:08am
 
Well before either tax is increased, some reforms to close income tax loopholes would be appropriate.
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Reply #10 - Jul 4th, 2014 at 10:29am
 
"The Federal Treasury Department has exclusively told The Courier-Mail that if Australians wanted to keep receiving government services they needed to make a choice – pay more income and company tax or take more pain at the bowser and supermarkets.  "

If that's true the head of dept should be made resign. That's an example of public servants making political statements in the press.

That's one issue, but making purposely misleading and self servicing political statements is a hanging offense - hang the bastard  Angry.

The issue is the broadening gap between revenue and expenditure. And the govt  can close the gap in a number of ways other than more taxes including a broader and more equitable tax base - get rid of many of the concessions.
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Reply #11 - Jul 4th, 2014 at 10:34am
 
Swagman wrote on Jul 4th, 2014 at 9:40am:
cods wrote on Jul 4th, 2014 at 6:36am:
has anyone ever asked..

can we eat our cake and have it too.??..

thats the way aussies think..

the real saying is..

you cannot have your cake

and eat it too...

get real we want more and more and more.....
but we want to do less and less to get it..

and we also dont want to pay for it...

$7 for a doctor visit... to save god knows how many from terminal illness...

and the world comes crashing in...

we are a nasty greedy  grabbing b unch of parasites.


Yes the Ochlocrats are indeed out in force with their sticky noses in the public trough.

Clive, the Greens, Labor are all offering political boiled lollies to con them over.

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b76/timbo2530/snouts_in_the_trough-1.jpg

Suckers for pork barrelling..... Sad

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b76/timbo2530/Futuretaxpayers.jpg

Clive, the Greens and Labor all want to sweep debt under the carpet so that future generations have to pay for it.   Sad

The net tax-payer is in the minority.  The net tax payer is under represented in the parliament.  Sad

The net tax-payers are slaves to the Ochlocrats, the eco-socialists and the bums.  Sad


Swaggy, saying the same thing time and time again is a sign of insanity  Cheesy  Grin.
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Reply #12 - Jul 4th, 2014 at 11:58am
 
OldnCrusty wrote on Jul 4th, 2014 at 10:29am:
"The Federal Treasury Department has exclusively told The Courier-Mail that if Australians wanted to keep receiving government services they needed to make a choice – pay more income and company tax or take more pain at the bowser and supermarkets.  "

If that's true the head of dept should be made resign. That's an example of public servants making political statements in the press.



That is not a political statement. A political statement would say "only the Coalition will do that for you'" or "only Labor can do it for you".

That statement is reality. You choose your level of taxation and budget for that level of taxation. You want more from your taxes- you have to increase them.
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Reply #13 - Jul 4th, 2014 at 12:23pm
 
lee wrote on Jul 4th, 2014 at 11:58am:
OldnCrusty wrote on Jul 4th, 2014 at 10:29am:
"The Federal Treasury Department has exclusively told The Courier-Mail that if Australians wanted to keep receiving government services they needed to make a choice – pay more income and company tax or take more pain at the bowser and supermarkets.  "

If that's true the head of dept should be made resign. That's an example of public servants making political statements in the press.



That is not a political statement. A political statement would say "only the Coalition will do that for you'" or "only Labor can do it for you".

That statement is reality. You choose your level of taxation and budget for that level of taxation. You want more from your taxes- you have to increase them.


That is not the reality; "The issue is the broadening gap between revenue and expenditure. And the govt  can close the gap in a number of ways other than more taxes including a broader and more equitable tax base - get rid of many of the concessions. "

The statement and its intention are not fair statement and are meant to mislead.
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Reply #14 - Jul 4th, 2014 at 12:32pm
 
OldnCrusty wrote on Jul 4th, 2014 at 10:34am:
Swagman wrote on Jul 4th, 2014 at 9:40am:
cods wrote on Jul 4th, 2014 at 6:36am:
has anyone ever asked..

can we eat our cake and have it too.??..

thats the way aussies think..

the real saying is..

you cannot have your cake

and eat it too...

get real we want more and more and more.....
but we want to do less and less to get it..

and we also dont want to pay for it...

$7 for a doctor visit... to save god knows how many from terminal illness...

and the world comes crashing in...

we are a nasty greedy  grabbing b unch of parasites.


Yes the Ochlocrats are indeed out in force with their sticky noses in the public trough.

Clive, the Greens, Labor are all offering political boiled lollies to con them over.

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b76/timbo2530/snouts_in_the_trough-1.jpg

Suckers for pork barrelling..... Sad

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b76/timbo2530/Futuretaxpayers.jpg

Clive, the Greens and Labor all want to sweep debt under the carpet so that future generations have to pay for it.   Sad

The net tax-payer is in the minority.  The net tax payer is under represented in the parliament.  Sad

The net tax-payers are slaves to the Ochlocrats, the eco-socialists and the bums.  Sad


Swaggy, saying the same thing time and time again is a sign of insanity  Cheesy  Grin.


The message is the same Crustyone.

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Either Higher GST Or Hike In Income Tax


They didn't add going into more debt by paying the bills with the credit card.....

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