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Re: Multiculturalism is an anti-Western ideology
Reply #360 - Mar 7^th, 2015 at 6:35pm

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 6^th, 2015 at 7:33pm:

Soren wrote on Mar 4^th, 2015 at 10:35pm:

The worst thing about European colonialism is that, in the case of thirdy worldy colonies, it ended too soon.
The third world was not and is not ready for independence and proper self-governance. They remain prey to tribal, clannish and brutish forces, corruption, nepotism, violent sectarianism.

Of course your comments ignore the reality of history, Soren. European nations still are subject to those very same forces, despite not being subject to colonialism. Australia is increasingly hearing of all of them, as the crooked ways of many of it's citizens and residents are uncovered.

Indeed, your very comment reveals the inherent racism in your thinking, Soren. "Not European" equates to inferior in your views, right? Roll Eyes

Right.

In your views as well, I hasten to add. Everyone knolws, from Japan, to Mexico that European ideas
are what can pull them out ofg their mysery and that their local ideas kan keep them there.

You don't have to have European skin - it is not about the depth of your tan. It is about the ideas of the freedom of the individual a profoundly European idea, that makes the difference in the world. Anyone who wants to put the clan or tribe ahead of the individual is a reactionary ethno-fascist, as seen across the ARab and SE Asian world and eslewhere, even in some Eastern European places.

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Re: Multiculturalism is an anti-Western ideology
Reply #361 - Mar 7^th, 2015 at 8:10pm

Soren wrote on Mar 7^th, 2015 at 6:35pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 6^th, 2015 at 7:33pm:

Soren wrote on Mar 4^th, 2015 at 10:35pm:

The worst thing about European colonialism is that, in the case of thirdy worldy colonies, it ended too soon.
The third world was not and is not ready for independence and proper self-governance. They remain prey to tribal, clannish and brutish forces, corruption, nepotism, violent sectarianism.

Of course your comments ignore the reality of history, Soren. European nations still are subject to those very same forces, despite not being subject to colonialism. Australia is increasingly hearing of all of them, as the crooked ways of many of it's citizens and residents are uncovered.

Indeed, your very comment reveals the inherent racism in your thinking, Soren. "Not European" equates to inferior in your views, right? Roll Eyes

Right.

Thanks for confirming what I said, Soren... Wink

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In your views as well, I hasten to add. Everyone knolws, from Japan, to Mexico that European ideas are what can pull them out ofg their mysery and that their local ideas kan keep them there.

Getting a bit excited and careless there, Soren...

European ideas might have helped them, to some degree but it wasn't until many of the other European ideas which had forced them into colonialism had been discarded, Soren. You've forgotten, in Mexico in particular that the entire Aztec and Mayan states had to be dismantled and destroyed by the Spanish before the Mexican state could emerge after several hundred years reborn. Today, it is because of that intermixing of the ideas of the Conquest versus that of the Revolution, you have the Drug Lords and War Lords in control of large swathes of the country... Roll Eyes

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You don't have to have European skin - it is not about the depth of your tan. It is about the ideas of the freedom of the individual a profoundly European idea, that makes the difference in the world. Anyone who wants to put the clan or tribe ahead of the individual is a reactionary ethno-fascist, as seen across the ARab and SE Asian world and eslewhere, even in some Eastern European places.

Spoken like a true reactionary, "ethno-fascist", Soren! Roll Eyes

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Re: Multiculturalism is an anti-Western ideology
Reply #362 - Mar 8^th, 2015 at 3:15pm

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 7^th, 2015 at 8:10pm:

Soren wrote on Mar 7^th, 2015 at 6:35pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 6^th, 2015 at 7:33pm:

Soren wrote on Mar 4^th, 2015 at 10:35pm:

The worst thing about European colonialism is that, in the case of thirdy worldy colonies, it ended too soon.
The third world was not and is not ready for independence and proper self-governance. They remain prey to tribal, clannish and brutish forces, corruption, nepotism, violent sectarianism.

Of course your comments ignore the reality of history, Soren. European nations still are subject to those very same forces, despite not being subject to colonialism. Australia is increasingly hearing of all of them, as the crooked ways of many of it's citizens and residents are uncovered.

Indeed, your very comment reveals the inherent racism in your thinking, Soren. "Not European" equates to inferior in your views, right? Roll Eyes

Right.

Thanks for confirming what I said, Soren... Wink

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In your views as well, I hasten to add. Everyone knolws, from Japan, to Mexico that European ideas are what can pull them out ofg their mysery and that their local ideas kan keep them there.

Getting a bit excited and careless there, Soren...

European ideas might have helped them, to some degree but it wasn't until many of the other European ideas which had forced them into colonialism had been discarded, Soren. You've forgotten, in Mexico in particular that the entire Aztec and Mayan states had to be dismantled and destroyed by the Spanish before the Mexican state could emerge after several hundred years reborn. Today, it is because of that intermixing of the ideas of the Conquest versus that of the Revolution, you have the Drug Lords and War Lords in control of large swathes of the country... Roll Eyes

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You don't have to have European skin - it is not about the depth of your tan. It is about the ideas of the freedom of the individual a profoundly European idea, that makes the difference in the world. Anyone who wants to put the clan or tribe ahead of the individual is a reactionary ethno-fascist, as seen across the ARab and SE Asian world and eslewhere, even in some Eastern European places.

Spoken like a true reactionary, "ethno-fascist", Soren! Roll Eyes

Except, of course, these European ideas of the enlightenment are universal and not at all ethnically based.
They are like Christianity in that sense. Both Christianity and the European enlightenment "call you OUT of your nation" into universal humanity. This is why both Christianity and European Enlightenment are seen as attacks on li'l efnic cultural practices.

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Re: Multiculturalism is an anti-Western ideology
Reply #363 - Mar 8^th, 2015 at 3:51pm

Soren wrote on Mar 8^th, 2015 at 3:15pm:

Except, of course, these European ideas of the enlightenment are universal and not at all ethnically based.

Except, Soren, of course those European ideas of the enlightenment are not actually all that universal in practice, now are they and they have been all too often ethnically applied, now haven't they? I refer to that concepts of "Scientific Racism", founded of course again, in Europe supposedly on the ideas of the enlightenment... Roll Eyes

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Reply #364 - Mar 8^th, 2015 at 4:36pm

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 8^th, 2015 at 3:51pm:

Soren wrote on Mar 8^th, 2015 at 3:15pm:

Except, of course, these European ideas of the enlightenment are universal and not at all ethnically based.

Except, Soren, of course those European ideas of the enlightenment are not actually all that universal in practice, now are they and they have been all too often ethnically applied, now haven't they? I refer to that concepts of "Scientific Racism", founded of course again, in Europe supposedly on the ideas of the enlightenment... Roll Eyes

Even you put it in scare quotes, indicating that you don't actually believe what you are saying.

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Reply #365 - Mar 8^th, 2015 at 5:06pm

Soren wrote on Mar 8^th, 2015 at 4:36pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 8^th, 2015 at 3:51pm:

Soren wrote on Mar 8^th, 2015 at 3:15pm:

Except, of course, these European ideas of the enlightenment are universal and not at all ethnically based.

Except, Soren, of course those European ideas of the enlightenment are not actually all that universal in practice, now are they and they have been all too often ethnically applied, now haven't they? I refer to that concepts of "Scientific Racism", founded of course again, in Europe supposedly on the ideas of the enlightenment... Roll Eyes

Even you put it in scare quotes, indicating that you don't actually believe what you are saying.

Have I ever believed in "racism"? Really?

Sorry to disillusion you, Soren but no, I've never believed in "racism". I actually put into quotes to show I am quoting something... Roll Eyes

My parents raised me too well to discriminate against other people on the basis of their skin colour or their eye shape or in the case of yourself and FD, their religion.

Had an interesting discussion with my Syrian work colleague on Friday. I asked why he was working on his holy day and he replied, "My contract requires me to..." Sounded pretty fair to me, what do you think? Is he a good Muslim or not? Roll Eyes

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Re: Multiculturalism is an anti-Western ideology
Reply #366 - Mar 8^th, 2015 at 5:10pm

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 8^th, 2015 at 5:06pm:

Soren wrote on Mar 8^th, 2015 at 4:36pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 8^th, 2015 at 3:51pm:

Soren wrote on Mar 8^th, 2015 at 3:15pm:

Except, of course, these European ideas of the enlightenment are universal and not at all ethnically based.

Except, Soren, of course those European ideas of the enlightenment are not actually all that universal in practice, now are they and they have been all too often ethnically applied, now haven't they? I refer to that concepts of "Scientific Racism", founded of course again, in Europe supposedly on the ideas of the enlightenment... Roll Eyes

Even you put it in scare quotes, indicating that you don't actually believe what you are saying.

Have I ever believed in "racism"? Really?

Sorry to disillusion you, Soren but no, I've never believed in "racism". I actually put into quotes to show I am quoting something... Roll Eyes

My parents raised me too well to discriminate against other people on the basis of their skin colour or their eye shape or in the case of yourself and FD, their religion.

Had an interesting discussion with my Syrian work colleague on Friday. I asked why he was working on his holy day and he replied, "My contract requires me to..." Sounded pretty fair to me, what do you think? Is he a good Muslim or not? Roll Eyes

What would your Syrian mate say if you were going out with his sister?

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Re: Multiculturalism is an anti-Western ideology
Reply #368 - Mar 8^th, 2015 at 5:14pm

... wrote on Mar 8^th, 2015 at 5:12pm:

Doubt anybody would be too happy about Brian dating their sister. Or cousin, neighbour, work colleague, casual acquaintance...

Brian doesn't like religious discrimination but his beloved Muslims won't let a Muslim woman marry outside of her religion. Isn't that religious discrimination??

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Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 40938	Re: Multiculturalism is an anti-Western ideology Reply #369 - Mar 8^th, 2015 at 5:17pm two minutes hate wrote on Mar 8^th, 2015 at 5:10pm: What would your Syrian mate say if you were going out with his sister? I have no idea as it has never ever entered into the conversation. I will ask when I see him next...
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Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 40938	Re: Multiculturalism is an anti-Western ideology Reply #370 - Mar 8^th, 2015 at 5:17pm ... wrote on Mar 8^th, 2015 at 5:12pm: Doubt anybody would be too happy about Brian dating their sister. Or cousin, neighbour, work colleague, casual acquaintance... tsk, tsk, the usual ad hominem?
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Re: Multiculturalism is an anti-Western ideology
Reply #371 - Mar 8^th, 2015 at 5:18pm

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 8^th, 2015 at 5:17pm:

two minutes hate wrote on Mar 8^th, 2015 at 5:10pm:

What would your Syrian mate say if you were going out with his sister?

I have no idea as it has never ever entered into the conversation. I will ask when I see him next... Roll Eyes

Don't bother if you aren't a Muslim.

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Re: Multiculturalism is an anti-Western ideology
Reply #372 - Mar 8^th, 2015 at 5:18pm

two minutes hate wrote on Mar 8^th, 2015 at 5:14pm:

... wrote on Mar 8^th, 2015 at 5:12pm:

Doubt anybody would be too happy about Brian dating their sister. Or cousin, neighbour, work colleague, casual acquaintance...

Brian doesn't like religious discrimination but his beloved Muslims won't let a Muslim woman marry outside of her religion. Isn't that religious discrimination??

It may surprise you but not all Muslims are Strict in their Observance of their own religion... Roll Eyes

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Re: Multiculturalism is an anti-Western ideology
Reply #373 - Mar 8^th, 2015 at 5:20pm

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 8^th, 2015 at 5:18pm:

two minutes hate wrote on Mar 8^th, 2015 at 5:14pm:

... wrote on Mar 8^th, 2015 at 5:12pm:

Doubt anybody would be too happy about Brian dating their sister. Or cousin, neighbour, work colleague, casual acquaintance...

Brian doesn't like religious discrimination but his beloved Muslims won't let a Muslim woman marry outside of her religion. Isn't that religious discrimination??

It may surprise you but not all Muslims are Strict in their Observance of their own religion... Roll Eyes

Muslim women aren't allowed to marry outside of their religion though.

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Re: Multiculturalism is an anti-Western ideology
Reply #374 - Mar 8^th, 2015 at 6:29pm

two minutes hate wrote on Mar 8^th, 2015 at 5:20pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 8^th, 2015 at 5:18pm:

two minutes hate wrote on Mar 8^th, 2015 at 5:14pm:

... wrote on Mar 8^th, 2015 at 5:12pm:

Doubt anybody would be too happy about Brian dating their sister. Or cousin, neighbour, work colleague, casual acquaintance...

Brian doesn't like religious discrimination but his beloved Muslims won't let a Muslim woman marry outside of her religion. Isn't that religious discrimination??

It may surprise you but not all Muslims are Strict in their Observance of their own religion... Roll Eyes

Muslim women aren't allowed to marry outside of their religion though.

Generally, no, as I understand it, they aren't. However, there are always exceptions to any rule, you realise? Roll Eyes

Of course this makes them no different to the Ultra-Orthodox Jewish community, actually...

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