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chicken_lipsforme Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 7090 Townsville NQ Gender:	Re: Economic Refugees? Reply #15 - Jul 8^th, 2014 at 5:48pm adelcrow wrote on Jul 8^th, 2014 at 3:33pm: We have a govt that shed crocodile tears for refugees being sent to Malaysia who are now willing to send refugees to Sri Lanka to be imprisoned and tortured. This crooked mob need to go...Abbott must keep his promise and call a DD election now. Agreed. Labor needs more pain.
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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: Economic Refugees? Reply #16 - Jul 8^th, 2014 at 6:04pm John Smith wrote on Jul 8^th, 2014 at 3:36pm: what does it matter how they get here? It is for Australia to decide who comes to Australia and how they come here. That's why it matters. Settlement in Australia is NOT for those who self-select by paying illegal people smugglers.
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Reply #17 - Jul 8^th, 2014 at 6:30pm

Soren wrote on Jul 8^th, 2014 at 6:04pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 8^th, 2014 at 3:36pm:

what does it matter how they get here?

It is for Australia to decide who comes to Australia and how they come here.

That's why it matters.

Settlement in Australia is NOT for those who self-select by paying illegal people smugglers.

You'd be right if Abbott repudiated the 1951 UN Convention. Until he does, you are wrong.

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Reply #18 - Jul 8^th, 2014 at 6:37pm

Fit of Absent Mindeness wrote on Jul 8^th, 2014 at 2:39pm:

woof woof wrote on Jul 8^th, 2014 at 9:57am:

how many asylum seekers should we accept?
Give me a yearly figure, the absolute maximum you think??
No answer means no credibility.

According to this:

http://unhcr.org.au/unhcr/images/Global%20Trends%202013.pdf

51.2 million forcibly displaced orcibly displaced worldwide
16.7 million refugees
33.3 million internally
displaced persons
1.2 million asylum-seekers

More than half (53%) of all refugees worldwide came from just three countries:
Afghanistan (2.56 million), the Syrian Arab
Republic (2.47 million), and Somalia (1.12 million)

The Worlds population is 7 billion.

Australia's population is 23 million or 0.33%.

This means for every 1 person in Australia, there is another 307 elsewhere.

So If Australia was to take 0.33% of refugees, my number would be 165,000 or so.

If we gave each of these the newstart allowance it would cost Australia 2.1 billion.

This is what it costs every year with our current "solution" anyway.

Of course I will be attacked by those who think we will be over run.

How many refugees do you think we should take every year?

We should restrict the entire immigration intake to beautiful, compliant women and allow polygamy.... except for Catholics like Tone...

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Reply #19 - Jul 8^th, 2014 at 7:04pm

Fit of Absent Mindeness wrote on Jul 8^th, 2014 at 2:39pm:

woof woof wrote on Jul 8^th, 2014 at 9:57am:

how many asylum seekers should we accept?
Give me a yearly figure, the absolute maximum you think??
No answer means no credibility.

According to this:

http://unhcr.org.au/unhcr/images/Global%20Trends%202013.pdf

51.2 million forcibly displaced orcibly displaced worldwide
16.7 million refugees
33.3 million internally
displaced persons
1.2 million asylum-seekers

More than half (53%) of all refugees worldwide came from just three countries:
Afghanistan (2.56 million), the Syrian Arab
Republic (2.47 million), and Somalia (1.12 million)

The Worlds population is 7 billion.

Australia's population is 23 million or 0.33%.

This means for every 1 person in Australia, there is another 307 elsewhere.

So If Australia was to take 0.33% of refugees, my number would be 165,000 or so.

If we gave each of these the newstart allowance it would cost Australia 2.1 billion.

This is what it costs every year with our current "solution" anyway.

Of course I will be attacked by those who think we will be over run.

How many refugees do you think we should take every year?

So you want to take 165000 a year??

in 10 years that's 1.65Million at a cost on your figures of 20 billion a year.

Now what happens when the worlds busted ass people in busted ass countries know were open for the taking, what do you do when you have whole countries coming in for some of the cake on the table??

If its reasonable for you to think that a few hundred people are fleeing war, is it not unreasonable to assume whole towns and cities of millions will flee, and if they come here seeking asylum, what do you do with them?

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Reply #20 - Jul 8^th, 2014 at 7:06pm

John Smith wrote on Jul 8^th, 2014 at 3:36pm:

woof woof wrote on Jul 8^th, 2014 at 9:57am:

how many asylum seekers should we accept?

Give me a yearly figure, the absolute maximum you think??

No answer means no credibility.

the govt. has set a yearly figure, about 13 000, sure, it's to low, but the figure is there ... what does it matter how they get here?

currently 13000, so in your words, what do we do with those who arrive over that figure??

Like in Rudds last term, what did we get 30000?? what do you propose we do with the numbers over the quota??

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Reply #21 - Jul 8^th, 2014 at 7:49pm

woof woof wrote on Jul 8^th, 2014 at 7:04pm:

Fit of Absent Mindeness wrote on Jul 8^th, 2014 at 2:39pm:

woof woof wrote on Jul 8^th, 2014 at 9:57am:

how many asylum seekers should we accept?
Give me a yearly figure, the absolute maximum you think??
No answer means no credibility.

According to this:

http://unhcr.org.au/unhcr/images/Global%20Trends%202013.pdf

51.2 million forcibly displaced orcibly displaced worldwide
16.7 million refugees
33.3 million internally
displaced persons
1.2 million asylum-seekers

More than half (53%) of all refugees worldwide came from just three countries:
Afghanistan (2.56 million), the Syrian Arab
Republic (2.47 million), and Somalia (1.12 million)

The Worlds population is 7 billion.

Australia's population is 23 million or 0.33%.

This means for every 1 person in Australia, there is another 307 elsewhere.

So If Australia was to take 0.33% of refugees, my number would be 165,000 or so.

If we gave each of these the newstart allowance it would cost Australia 2.1 billion.

This is what it costs every year with our current "solution" anyway.

Of course I will be attacked by those who think we will be over run.

How many refugees do you think we should take every year?

So you want to take 165000 a year??

in 10 years that's 1.65Million at a cost on your figures of 20 billion a year.

Now what happens when the worlds busted ass people in busted ass countries know were open for the taking, what do you do when you have whole countries coming in for some of the cake on the table??

If its reasonable for you to think that a few hundred people are fleeing war, is it not unreasonable to assume whole towns and cities of millions will flee, and if they come here seeking asylum, what do you do with them?

Surely we could put a few up at your place Undecided

An entire family in the panel van, and a few in the Torana Undecided

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Reply #22 - Jul 8^th, 2014 at 8:30pm

Aussie wrote on Jul 8^th, 2014 at 6:30pm:

Soren wrote on Jul 8^th, 2014 at 6:04pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 8^th, 2014 at 3:36pm:

what does it matter how they get here?

It is for Australia to decide who comes to Australia and how they come here.

That's why it matters.

Settlement in Australia is NOT for those who self-select by paying illegal people smugglers.

You'd be right if Abbott repudiated the 1951 UN Convention. Until he does, you are wrong.

The government including Labor don't see it that way.
And neither do the majority of this countries population.

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Reply #23 - Jul 8^th, 2014 at 8:33pm

Aussie wrote on Jul 8^th, 2014 at 6:30pm:

Soren wrote on Jul 8^th, 2014 at 6:04pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 8^th, 2014 at 3:36pm:

what does it matter how they get here?

It is for Australia to decide who comes to Australia and how they come here.

That's why it matters.

Settlement in Australia is NOT for those who self-select by paying illegal people smugglers.

You'd be right.

Now, that'd be something to see.

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Reply #24 - Jul 8^th, 2014 at 8:50pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 8^th, 2014 at 8:33pm:

Aussie wrote on Jul 8^th, 2014 at 6:30pm:

Soren wrote on Jul 8^th, 2014 at 6:04pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 8^th, 2014 at 3:36pm:

what does it matter how they get here?

It is for Australia to decide who comes to Australia and how they come here.

That's why it matters.

Settlement in Australia is NOT for those who self-select by paying illegal people smugglers.

You'd be right.

Now, that'd be something to see.

Mr Peccary, you are a naughty boy.

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Reply #25 - Jul 8^th, 2014 at 8:52pm

aquascoot wrote on Jul 8^th, 2014 at 3:55pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 8^th, 2014 at 3:49pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jul 8^th, 2014 at 3:44pm:

the department of foreign affairs have lists of people processed and verifed as genuine refugees. their places are taken by the queue jumpers.
what terribly selfish people they must be.
no wonder the leftard intellectuals house them all in ghettos far from their inner city cafes.

do they?

you made that up didn't you? Grin

if no boat people come, then there are spots (18,000 i think) available for already processed refugees. do you think they dont take their names and record them when they process them in a camp john

our intake is 13000 refugeees, your hero cut that number down the first chance he got

so you did make it up? I'm sure the camps have the names of some of the asylum seekers, but thats not what you said ... you said

aquascoot wrote on Jul 8^th, 2014 at 3:44pm:

the department of foreign affairs have lists of people processed and verifed as genuine refugees

DFA has no such list ...

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Reply #26 - Jul 8^th, 2014 at 8:55pm

Soren wrote on Jul 8^th, 2014 at 6:04pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 8^th, 2014 at 3:36pm:

what does it matter how they get here?

It is for Australia to decide who comes to Australia and how they come here.

That's why it matters.

Settlement in Australia is NOT for those who self-select by paying illegal people smugglers.

No it's not..... Australia waived that right when they signed the UN convention on refugees ....
if at any time Abbott decides to rescind that convention, then you can cry about Australia's rights, until then forget it.

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Reply #27 - Jul 8^th, 2014 at 8:58pm

woof woof wrote on Jul 8^th, 2014 at 7:06pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 8^th, 2014 at 3:36pm:

woof woof wrote on Jul 8^th, 2014 at 9:57am:

how many asylum seekers should we accept?

Give me a yearly figure, the absolute maximum you think??

No answer means no credibility.

the govt. has set a yearly figure, about 13 000, sure, it's to low, but the figure is there ... what does it matter how they get here?

currently 13000, so in your words, what do we do with those who arrive over that figure??

Like in Rudds last term, what did we get 30000?? what do you propose we do with the numbers over the quota??

Rudds last term 30 000? Grin

Do you pull these numbers out of your arse? Labor had just over 50 000 asylum seekers (boat) over it's 6 yrs in office .... thats less than 10 000 a year.

What do we do with the numbers over the quota? firstly we need to raise the quota ... 20 - 25 000 for Australia is a good number ..... then we do the same thing we do now when a refugee camp rings the govt. and says we have another 500 for you ... we say no.

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Reply #28 - Jul 8^th, 2014 at 8:59pm

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jul 8^th, 2014 at 8:30pm:

Aussie wrote on Jul 8^th, 2014 at 6:30pm:

Soren wrote on Jul 8^th, 2014 at 6:04pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 8^th, 2014 at 3:36pm:

what does it matter how they get here?

It is for Australia to decide who comes to Australia and how they come here.

That's why it matters.

Settlement in Australia is NOT for those who self-select by paying illegal people smugglers.

You'd be right if Abbott repudiated the 1951 UN Convention. Until he does, you are wrong.

The government including Labor don't see it that way.
And neither do the majority of this countries population.

yeah right Cheesy

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Reply #29 - Jul 9^th, 2014 at 10:25am

John Smith wrote on Jul 8^th, 2014 at 8:55pm:

Soren wrote on Jul 8^th, 2014 at 6:04pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 8^th, 2014 at 3:36pm:

what does it matter how they get here?

It is for Australia to decide who comes to Australia and how they come here.

That's why it matters.

Settlement in Australia is NOT for those who self-select by paying illegal people smugglers.

No it's not..... Australia waived that right when they signed the UN convention on refugees ....
if at any time Abbott decides to rescind that convention, then you can cry about Australia's rights, until then forget it.

There is no settlement obligation in the Convention.

There is no obligation to let in ANYONE who is not coming directly from a place where he is under threat or in danger. Middle Easterners go freely and voluntarily to Indonesia so there is zero obligation on us to let them in without a visa.

ZERO.

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