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Reply #345 - Jul 14^th, 2014 at 12:30pm

hermoine wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 12:24pm:

So Greggorry ,do you personally think there is anything illegal by being a people smuggler customer??

I think it's illegal for people to wear green shoes.

But that's not what matters. What matters is WHETHER it is illegal for people to wear green shoes. Is it? Nope. Just like it isn't illegal to arrive to this country by boat.

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Reply #346 - Jul 14^th, 2014 at 12:35pm

ian wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 12:18pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 12:13pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 11:53am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 11:38am:

ian wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 11:32am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 11:25am:

King FriYAY II wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 11:23am:

Oh yes, how could anyone think that paying people to smuggle you across another countries border is illegal???

It's not illegal.

I can assure you.

we do\nt need your assurance, just facts. Paying people smugglers is most defintiley 100 percent illegal.

100% wrong.

Start searching for the piece of legislation that supports your ridiculous claim.

I'll be here, waiting ...

I suppose you're aware you rarely put your own argument and the majority of your posts are schoolyard retorts.
Hardly impressive.

I'm putting forward my argument right here:

It is not illegal to pay people smugglers for transport in a boat to Australia.

yes, thats exactly why the Indoensian police arrest them for doing so. Grin

They are arrested for non compliance with Indonesian departure law............not because they've paid for transport on a boat to Australia.

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Reply #347 - Jul 14^th, 2014 at 12:39pm

hermoine wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 12:24pm:

So Greggorry ,do you personally think there is anything illegal by being a people smuggler customer??

Customer? No.

Paying a people smuggler is not illegal. It's not even unlawful.

If they enter Australia without a visa, they then become an unlawful non-citizen. Not illegal to do so, though.

However, we've been through the 'entry' argument a million times. This particular argument is about paying people smugglers, which is most certainly not illegal.

Providing the service of people smuggling, however, is most certainly illegal.

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Reply #348 - Jul 14^th, 2014 at 12:40pm

aquascoot wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 12:02pm:

|dev|null wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 11:36am:

22 pages of argument over whether or not people who claim or rather attempt to claim Asylum are genuine or not.

How can we know? The Government ceased processing their claims properly way back in mid-2012! Some people here seem to believe that granting Asylum should be the subject to a popularity contest, rather than the actual needs of people who are so desperate and so fed up waiting for the UN to process their claims that they're willing to risk their lives getting on a leaky boat. Yet they ignore the ten times the number of Asylum Seekers who arrive by plane!

Truly some people are insane. Grin

BEING "fed up waiting' is acknowledgment that they jump the queue. I'd rather the ones who were more patient come to Australia.

Two questions.
1. Who are the ones catching planes then? Queue jumping queue jumpers?

2. Why do you ignore them? Why are they not sent to the Pacific Gulags whereas those that arrive on boats are. What is it about boats which scare you? Grin

24 pages! Groan! Shocked

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Reply #349 - Jul 14^th, 2014 at 12:41pm

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 12:30pm:

hermoine wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 12:24pm:

So Greggorry ,do you personally think there is anything illegal by being a people smuggler customer??

I think it's illegal for people to wear green shoes.

But that's not what matters. What matters is WHETHER it is illegal for people to wear green shoes. Is it? Nope. Just like it isn't illegal to arrive to this country by boat.

Well when you pay a criminal to put your kids on an unseaworthy boat and they drown a negligence issue seems to arise.

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Reply #350 - Jul 14^th, 2014 at 12:46pm

hermoine wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 12:41pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 12:30pm:

hermoine wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 12:24pm:

So Greggorry ,do you personally think there is anything illegal by being a people smuggler customer??

I think it's illegal for people to wear green shoes.

But that's not what matters. What matters is WHETHER it is illegal for people to wear green shoes. Is it? Nope. Just like it isn't illegal to arrive to this country by boat.

Well when you pay a criminal to put your kids on an unseaworthy boat and they drown a negligence issue seems to arise.

Yeas, and so........?

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Reply #351 - Jul 14^th, 2014 at 12:48pm

Aussie wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 12:46pm:

hermoine wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 12:41pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 12:30pm:

hermoine wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 12:24pm:

So Greggorry ,do you personally think there is anything illegal by being a people smuggler customer??

I think it's illegal for people to wear green shoes.

But that's not what matters. What matters is WHETHER it is illegal for people to wear green shoes. Is it? Nope. Just like it isn't illegal to arrive to this country by boat.

Well when you pay a criminal to put your kids on an unseaworthy boat and they drown a negligence issue seems to arise.

Yeas, and so........?

Well there are some very illegal aspects when a parent becomes a people smuggling customer.

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Reply #352 - Jul 14^th, 2014 at 12:54pm

Let's uphold the UN convention and the protocol on people smuggling!!

And call an illegal an illegal....

Article 31 includes the term "illegal entry".

It is used in the context of stating that parties to the convention cannot penalise refugees as a result of their "illegal entry or presence" as long as they present to authorities "without delay" and "show good cause for their illegal entry or presence".

The verdict is in.....

Based on the definition set out in the United Nations people smuggling protocol, people who have come to Australia without a valid visa have illegally entered the country. That is the case even though these people have not committed any crime, nor broken any Australian or international law.

Bloody illegals.....

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Reply #353 - Jul 14^th, 2014 at 12:55pm

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 12:30pm:

hermoine wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 12:24pm:

So Greggorry ,do you personally think there is anything illegal by being a people smuggler customer??

I think it's illegal for people to wear green shoes.

But that's not what matters. What matters is WHETHER it is illegal for people to wear green shoes. Is it? Nope. Just like it isn't illegal to arrive to this country by boat.

thats not what matters.

what matters is we live in a democracy and the people of australia have decided they dont like boats.

so, we put our democraticly elected Scott Morrison in charge and he does as we tell him .

If the 10 % who want boats wish to change the situation, then they need to convince their fellow citizens to vote in Sarah Hansen Young and vote out Scott.

Good luck with that. Wink

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Reply #354 - Jul 14^th, 2014 at 12:55pm

hermoine wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 12:48pm:

Aussie wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 12:46pm:

hermoine wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 12:41pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 12:30pm:

hermoine wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 12:24pm:

So Greggorry ,do you personally think there is anything illegal by being a people smuggler customer??

I think it's illegal for people to wear green shoes.

But that's not what matters. What matters is WHETHER it is illegal for people to wear green shoes. Is it? Nope. Just like it isn't illegal to arrive to this country by boat.

Well when you pay a criminal to put your kids on an unseaworthy boat and they drown a negligence issue seems to arise.

Yeas, and so........?

Well there are some very illegal aspects when a parent becomes a people smuggling customer.

Such as?

Paying a people smuggler isn't illegal.

What "illegal aspects" are you referring to?

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Reply #356 - Jul 14^th, 2014 at 12:57pm

hermoine wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 12:41pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 12:30pm:

hermoine wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 12:24pm:

So Greggorry ,do you personally think there is anything illegal by being a people smuggler customer??

I think it's illegal for people to wear green shoes.

But that's not what matters. What matters is WHETHER it is illegal for people to wear green shoes. Is it? Nope. Just like it isn't illegal to arrive to this country by boat.

Well when you pay a criminal to put your kids on an unseaworthy boat and they drown a negligence issue seems to arise.

Indeed, they should be charged . if the kids survive they should be fostered out to responsible adults.

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Reply #357 - Jul 14^th, 2014 at 12:58pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 12:57pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 12:55pm:

what matters is we live in a democracy and the people of australia have decided they dont like boats.

What is it about boats that scares you?

What is it about Mr Morrison doing what the community wanted that scares you.
I'm sure it scares some in the assylum industry. they may need to get a real job.

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Reply #358 - Jul 14^th, 2014 at 12:58pm

hermoine wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 12:41pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 12:30pm:

hermoine wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 12:24pm:

So Greggorry ,do you personally think there is anything illegal by being a people smuggler customer??

I think it's illegal for people to wear green shoes.

But that's not what matters. What matters is WHETHER it is illegal for people to wear green shoes. Is it? Nope. Just like it isn't illegal to arrive to this country by boat.

Well when you pay a criminal to put your kids on an unseaworthy boat and they drown a negligence issue seems to arise.

In a desperate situation a person can do negligent things. But still not illegal.

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Reply #359 - Jul 14^th, 2014 at 1:00pm

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 12:58pm:

hermoine wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 12:41pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 12:30pm:

hermoine wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 12:24pm:

So Greggorry ,do you personally think there is anything illegal by being a people smuggler customer??

I think it's illegal for people to wear green shoes.

But that's not what matters. What matters is WHETHER it is illegal for people to wear green shoes. Is it? Nope. Just like it isn't illegal to arrive to this country by boat.

Well when you pay a criminal to put your kids on an unseaworthy boat and they drown a negligence issue seems to arise.

In a desperate situation a person can do negligent things. But still not illegal.

glad to hear you admit they are negligent.

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