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Reply #360 - Jul 14^th, 2014 at 1:01pm

aquascoot wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 12:58pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 12:57pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 12:55pm:

what matters is we live in a democracy and the people of australia have decided they dont like boats.

What is it about boats that scares you?

What is it about Mr Morrison doing what the community wanted that scares you.
I'm sure it scares some in the assylum industry. they may need to get a real job.

You didn't answer my question.

"the people of australia have decided they dont like boats" - what is it about boats that you don't like?

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Reply #361 - Jul 14^th, 2014 at 1:01pm

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 12:58pm:

hermoine wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 12:41pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 12:30pm:

hermoine wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 12:24pm:

So Greggorry ,do you personally think there is anything illegal by being a people smuggler customer??

I think it's illegal for people to wear green shoes.

But that's not what matters. What matters is WHETHER it is illegal for people to wear green shoes. Is it? Nope. Just like it isn't illegal to arrive to this country by boat.

Well when you pay a criminal to put your kids on an unseaworthy boat and they drown a negligence issue seems to arise.

In a desperate situation a person can do negligent things. But still not illegal.

In Australia things like that would get your kids taken off you. Putting your children in the care of criminals on the high seas is pretty negligent.

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Reply #362 - Jul 14^th, 2014 at 1:02pm

hermoine wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 1:01pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 12:58pm:

hermoine wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 12:41pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 12:30pm:

hermoine wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 12:24pm:

So Greggorry ,do you personally think there is anything illegal by being a people smuggler customer??

I think it's illegal for people to wear green shoes.

But that's not what matters. What matters is WHETHER it is illegal for people to wear green shoes. Is it? Nope. Just like it isn't illegal to arrive to this country by boat.

Well when you pay a criminal to put your kids on an unseaworthy boat and they drown a negligence issue seems to arise.

In a desperate situation a person can do negligent things. But still not illegal.

In Australia things like that would get your kids taken off you. Putting your children in the care of criminals on the high seas is pretty negligent.

Still not illegal.

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 140099 Gender:	Re: Economic Refugees? Reply #363 - Jul 14^th, 2014 at 1:03pm hermoine wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 1:01pm: Putting your children in the care of criminals on the high seas is pretty negligent. So, you admit that it's not illegal?
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Reply #364 - Jul 14^th, 2014 at 1:06pm

aquascoot wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 1:00pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 12:58pm:

hermoine wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 12:41pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 12:30pm:

hermoine wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 12:24pm:

So Greggorry ,do you personally think there is anything illegal by being a people smuggler customer??

I think it's illegal for people to wear green shoes.

But that's not what matters. What matters is WHETHER it is illegal for people to wear green shoes. Is it? Nope. Just like it isn't illegal to arrive to this country by boat.

Well when you pay a criminal to put your kids on an unseaworthy boat and they drown a negligence issue seems to arise.

In a desperate situation a person can do negligent things. But still not illegal.

glad to hear you admit they are negligent.

you obviously missed the rest. Or just failed to comprehend.

And still not illegal.

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hermoine Senior Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 364	Re: Economic Refugees? Reply #365 - Jul 14^th, 2014 at 1:07pm greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 1:03pm: hermoine wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 1:01pm: Putting your children in the care of criminals on the high seas is pretty negligent. So, you admit that it's not illegal? I know it isn't. There should be something done about it because a lot of children became fish food.
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Reply #366 - Jul 14^th, 2014 at 1:16pm

hermoine wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 1:07pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 1:03pm:

hermoine wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 1:01pm:

Putting your children in the care of criminals on the high seas is pretty negligent.

So, you admit that it's not illegal?

I know it isn't. There should be something done about it because a lot of children became fish food.

Well, Mr Abbott said he would stop the boats.

He wouldn't lie, would he?

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Reply #367 - Jul 14^th, 2014 at 1:18pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 1:16pm:

hermoine wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 1:07pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 1:03pm:

hermoine wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 1:01pm:

Putting your children in the care of criminals on the high seas is pretty negligent.

So, you admit that it's not illegal?

I know it isn't. There should be something done about it because a lot of children became fish food.

Well, Mr Abbott said he would stop the boats.

He wouldn't lie, would he?

Well the other mob didn't stop anything and thousands of people died. That's the thing I don't understand about you people, you don't seem to concerned with all the death. If you did you'd denounce people smuggling.

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Reply #368 - Jul 14^th, 2014 at 1:25pm

hermoine wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 1:18pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 1:16pm:

hermoine wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 1:07pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 1:03pm:

hermoine wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 1:01pm:

Putting your children in the care of criminals on the high seas is pretty negligent.

So, you admit that it's not illegal?

I know it isn't. There should be something done about it because a lot of children became fish food.

Well, Mr Abbott said he would stop the boats.

He wouldn't lie, would he?

Well the other mob didn't stop anything and thousands of people died. That's the thing I don't understand about you people, you don't seem to concerned with all the death. If you did you'd denounce people smuggling.

The other mob were useless, when it came to asylum seekers.

Moreover, I don't encourage people smuggling.

However, I've never had to flee persecution, so I can't really condemn people for doing anything it takes (within the law) to save their lives.

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Reply #369 - Jul 14^th, 2014 at 1:49pm

aquascoot wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 1:00pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 12:58pm:

hermoine wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 12:41pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 12:30pm:

hermoine wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 12:24pm:

So Greggorry ,do you personally think there is anything illegal by being a people smuggler customer??

I think it's illegal for people to wear green shoes.

But that's not what matters. What matters is WHETHER it is illegal for people to wear green shoes. Is it? Nope. Just like it isn't illegal to arrive to this country by boat.

Well when you pay a criminal to put your kids on an unseaworthy boat and they drown a negligence issue seems to arise.

In a desperate situation a person can do negligent things. But still not illegal.

glad to hear you admit they are negligent.

Let's get this clear. Those people who get on boats make their own risk assessment of what they (and their kids) might be confronted with on their voyage. Lots of factors I imagine, but just getting on the boat per se is not an act of negligence.

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Reply #370 - Jul 14^th, 2014 at 2:10pm

Aussie wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 1:49pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 1:00pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 12:58pm:

hermoine wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 12:41pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 12:30pm:

hermoine wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 12:24pm:

So Greggorry ,do you personally think there is anything illegal by being a people smuggler customer??

I think it's illegal for people to wear green shoes.

But that's not what matters. What matters is WHETHER it is illegal for people to wear green shoes. Is it? Nope. Just like it isn't illegal to arrive to this country by boat.

Well when you pay a criminal to put your kids on an unseaworthy boat and they drown a negligence issue seems to arise.

In a desperate situation a person can do negligent things. But still not illegal.

glad to hear you admit they are negligent.

Let's get this clear. Those people who get on boats make their own risk assessment of what they (and their kids) might be confronted with on their voyage. Lots of factors I imagine, but just getting on the boat per se is not an act of negligence.

You are right. Knowingly and deliberately putting your children in danger is not negligence, it is criminal.

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Reply #371 - Jul 14^th, 2014 at 2:16pm

ian wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 2:10pm:

Aussie wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 1:49pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 1:00pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 12:58pm:

hermoine wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 12:41pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 12:30pm:

hermoine wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 12:24pm:

So Greggorry ,do you personally think there is anything illegal by being a people smuggler customer??

I think it's illegal for people to wear green shoes.

But that's not what matters. What matters is WHETHER it is illegal for people to wear green shoes. Is it? Nope. Just like it isn't illegal to arrive to this country by boat.

Well when you pay a criminal to put your kids on an unseaworthy boat and they drown a negligence issue seems to arise.

In a desperate situation a person can do negligent things. But still not illegal.

glad to hear you admit they are negligent.

Let's get this clear. Those people who get on boats make their own risk assessment of what they (and their kids) might be confronted with on their voyage. Lots of factors I imagine, but just getting on the boat per se is not an act of negligence.

You are right. Knowingly and deliberately putting your children in danger is not negligence, it is criminal.

You just gonna keep going until you get one right?

Seeking asylum is criminal - wrong.
Being in a boat without a visa is criminal - wrong.
Paying people smugglers is criminal - wrong.

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Reply #372 - Jul 14^th, 2014 at 2:19pm

ian wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 2:10pm:

Aussie wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 1:49pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 1:00pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 12:58pm:

hermoine wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 12:41pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 12:30pm:

hermoine wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 12:24pm:

So Greggorry ,do you personally think there is anything illegal by being a people smuggler customer??

I think it's illegal for people to wear green shoes.

But that's not what matters. What matters is WHETHER it is illegal for people to wear green shoes. Is it? Nope. Just like it isn't illegal to arrive to this country by boat.

Well when you pay a criminal to put your kids on an unseaworthy boat and they drown a negligence issue seems to arise.

In a desperate situation a person can do negligent things. But still not illegal.

glad to hear you admit they are negligent.

Let's get this clear. Those people who get on boats make their own risk assessment of what they (and their kids) might be confronted with on their voyage. Lots of factors I imagine, but just getting on the boat per se is not an act of negligence.

You are right. Knowingly and deliberately putting your children in danger is not negligence, it is criminal.

People with fluro pink hair is criminal. And yet it isn't. Just like putting your children on an asylum seeker boat is not criminal.

Any more?

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hermoine Senior Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 364	Re: Economic Refugees? Reply #373 - Jul 14^th, 2014 at 2:24pm Is putting children on a dangerous boat criminal when they have been found not be fleeing persecution?
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sir prince duke alevine Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 23619 Gender:	Re: Economic Refugees? Reply #374 - Jul 14^th, 2014 at 2:26pm hermoine wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 2:24pm: Is putting children on a dangerous boat criminal when they have been found not be fleeing persecution? no. any more questions?
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