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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 140099 Gender:	Re: Economic Refugees? Reply #375 - Jul 14^th, 2014 at 2:27pm sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 2:26pm: hermoine wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 2:24pm: Is putting children on a dangerous boat criminal when they have been found not be fleeing persecution? no. any more questions? They'll just keep going, until they get one right.
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Reply #376 - Jul 14^th, 2014 at 2:27pm

ian wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 2:10pm:

Aussie wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 1:49pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 1:00pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 12:58pm:

hermoine wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 12:41pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 12:30pm:

hermoine wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 12:24pm:

So Greggorry ,do you personally think there is anything illegal by being a people smuggler customer??

I think it's illegal for people to wear green shoes.

But that's not what matters. What matters is WHETHER it is illegal for people to wear green shoes. Is it? Nope. Just like it isn't illegal to arrive to this country by boat.

Well when you pay a criminal to put your kids on an unseaworthy boat and they drown a negligence issue seems to arise.

In a desperate situation a person can do negligent things. But still not illegal.

glad to hear you admit they are negligent.

Let's get this clear. Those people who get on boats make their own risk assessment of what they (and their kids) might be confronted with on their voyage. Lots of factors I imagine, but just getting on the boat per se is not an act of negligence.

You are right. Knowingly and deliberately putting your children in danger is not negligence, it is criminal.

agree ian.

a father who took his son out in high seas off brisbane and the boat flipped was charged with a criminal offense.
for children to be drowned on a journey they had no say in is criminal.
greg and alvine can keep up the flippant replies but there is no doubt it is criminal.

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Reply #377 - Jul 14^th, 2014 at 2:27pm

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 2:19pm:

ian wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 2:10pm:

Aussie wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 1:49pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 1:00pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 12:58pm:

hermoine wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 12:41pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 12:30pm:

hermoine wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 12:24pm:

So Greggorry ,do you personally think there is anything illegal by being a people smuggler customer??

I think it's illegal for people to wear green shoes.

But that's not what matters. What matters is WHETHER it is illegal for people to wear green shoes. Is it? Nope. Just like it isn't illegal to arrive to this country by boat.

Well when you pay a criminal to put your kids on an unseaworthy boat and they drown a negligence issue seems to arise.

In a desperate situation a person can do negligent things. But still not illegal.

glad to hear you admit they are negligent.

Let's get this clear. Those people who get on boats make their own risk assessment of what they (and their kids) might be confronted with on their voyage. Lots of factors I imagine, but just getting on the boat per se is not an act of negligence.

You are right. Knowingly and deliberately putting your children in danger is not negligence, it is criminal.

People with fluro pink hair is criminal. And yet it isn't. Just like putting your children on an asylum seeker boat is not criminal.

Any more?

Aussie knows i am right. The boats are dangerous since the smugglers use decrepit ones knowing they will not return, thats why so many of them sink before they reach their destination. Deliberatly putting your children in harms way is a criminal act., zero dispute.

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hermoine Senior Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 364	Re: Economic Refugees? Reply #378 - Jul 14^th, 2014 at 2:28pm sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 2:26pm: hermoine wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 2:24pm: Is putting children on a dangerous boat criminal when they have been found not be fleeing persecution? no. any more questions? Sp putting your kids life in danger for monetary reasons ( some died) is not questionable.
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Reply #379 - Jul 14^th, 2014 at 2:31pm

hermoine wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 2:28pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 2:26pm:

hermoine wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 2:24pm:

Is putting children on a dangerous boat criminal when they have been found not be fleeing persecution?

no.

any more questions?

Sp putting your kids life in danger for monetary reasons ( some died) is not questionable.

Yes, its questionable and criminal.

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sir prince duke alevine

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Reply #380 - Jul 14^th, 2014 at 2:33pm

hermoine wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 2:28pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 2:26pm:

hermoine wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 2:24pm:

Is putting children on a dangerous boat criminal when they have been found not be fleeing persecution?

no.

any more questions?

Sp putting your kids life in danger for monetary reasons ( some died) is not questionable.

it's not illegal nor criminal under Australian law.

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Reply #381 - Jul 14^th, 2014 at 2:33pm

ian wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 2:31pm:

hermoine wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 2:28pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 2:26pm:

hermoine wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 2:24pm:

Is putting children on a dangerous boat criminal when they have been found not be fleeing persecution?

no.

any more questions?

Sp putting your kids life in danger for monetary reasons ( some died) is not questionable.

Yes, its questionable and criminal.

Nope. wrong again.

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sir prince duke alevine

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Reply #382 - Jul 14^th, 2014 at 2:34pm

ian wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 2:27pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 2:19pm:

ian wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 2:10pm:

Aussie wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 1:49pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 1:00pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 12:58pm:

hermoine wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 12:41pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 12:30pm:

hermoine wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 12:24pm:

So Greggorry ,do you personally think there is anything illegal by being a people smuggler customer??

I think it's illegal for people to wear green shoes.

But that's not what matters. What matters is WHETHER it is illegal for people to wear green shoes. Is it? Nope. Just like it isn't illegal to arrive to this country by boat.

Well when you pay a criminal to put your kids on an unseaworthy boat and they drown a negligence issue seems to arise.

In a desperate situation a person can do negligent things. But still not illegal.

glad to hear you admit they are negligent.

Let's get this clear. Those people who get on boats make their own risk assessment of what they (and their kids) might be confronted with on their voyage. Lots of factors I imagine, but just getting on the boat per se is not an act of negligence.

You are right. Knowingly and deliberately putting your children in danger is not negligence, it is criminal.

People with fluro pink hair is criminal. And yet it isn't. Just like putting your children on an asylum seeker boat is not criminal.

Any more?

Aussie knows i am right. The boats are dangerous since the smugglers use decrepit ones knowing they will not return, thats why so many of them sink before they reach their destination. Deliberatly putting your children in harms way is a criminal act., zero dispute.

and the specific case law or legislation that you're quoting to make this claim is ... ?

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Reply #383 - Jul 14^th, 2014 at 2:35pm

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 2:34pm:

ian wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 2:27pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 2:19pm:

ian wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 2:10pm:

Aussie wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 1:49pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 1:00pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 12:58pm:

hermoine wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 12:41pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 12:30pm:

hermoine wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 12:24pm:

So Greggorry ,do you personally think there is anything illegal by being a people smuggler customer??

I think it's illegal for people to wear green shoes.

But that's not what matters. What matters is WHETHER it is illegal for people to wear green shoes. Is it? Nope. Just like it isn't illegal to arrive to this country by boat.

Well when you pay a criminal to put your kids on an unseaworthy boat and they drown a negligence issue seems to arise.

In a desperate situation a person can do negligent things. But still not illegal.

glad to hear you admit they are negligent.

Let's get this clear. Those people who get on boats make their own risk assessment of what they (and their kids) might be confronted with on their voyage. Lots of factors I imagine, but just getting on the boat per se is not an act of negligence.

You are right. Knowingly and deliberately putting your children in danger is not negligence, it is criminal.

People with fluro pink hair is criminal. And yet it isn't. Just like putting your children on an asylum seeker boat is not criminal.

Any more?

Aussie knows i am right. The boats are dangerous since the smugglers use decrepit ones knowing they will not return, thats why so many of them sink before they reach their destination. Deliberatly putting your children in harms way is a criminal act., zero dispute.

and the specific case law or legislation that you're quoting to make this claim is ... ?

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Reply #384 - Jul 14^th, 2014 at 2:47pm

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 2:33pm:

ian wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 2:31pm:

hermoine wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 2:28pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 2:26pm:

hermoine wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 2:24pm:

Is putting children on a dangerous boat criminal when they have been found not be fleeing persecution?

no.

any more questions?

Sp putting your kids life in danger for monetary reasons ( some died) is not questionable.

Yes, its questionable and criminal.

Nope. wrong again.

You have never heard of child abuse and neglect? Your naivete has reached a new high.

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sir prince duke alevine

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Reply #385 - Jul 14^th, 2014 at 2:52pm

ian wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 2:47pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 2:33pm:

ian wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 2:31pm:

hermoine wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 2:28pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 2:26pm:

hermoine wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 2:24pm:

Is putting children on a dangerous boat criminal when they have been found not be fleeing persecution?

no.

any more questions?

Sp putting your kids life in danger for monetary reasons ( some died) is not questionable.

Yes, its questionable and criminal.

Nope. wrong again.

You have never heard of child abuse and neglect? Your naivete has reached a new high.

case law or legislation specific to an asylum seeker placing a child in a boat being a crime/illegal?

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 140099 Gender:	Re: Economic Refugees? Reply #386 - Jul 14^th, 2014 at 2:55pm
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\|dev\|null Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4434 Gender:	Re: Economic Refugees? Reply #387 - Jul 14^th, 2014 at 3:27pm 26 pages. What a WAFTM
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Reply #388 - Jul 14^th, 2014 at 3:28pm

The verdict is in.....

Based on the definition set out in the United Nations people smuggling protocol, people who have come to Australia without a valid visa have illegally entered the country. That is the case even though these people have not committed any crime, nor broken any Australian or international law.

Bloody illegals.....

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\|dev\|null Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4434 Gender:	Re: Economic Refugees? Reply #389 - Jul 14^th, 2014 at 3:55pm I thought you were preaching we should leave the UN Convention? Can't have your cake and eat it too!
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