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Reply #390 - Jul 14^th, 2014 at 3:59pm

I'm not sure why Greg keeps arguing the same point with the same more rons over and over again ...

they've seen the legislation, they've even been dumb enought to quote it ... if they don't want to believe the relevant acts when they are written in front of them, no amount of arguing on a internet forum is going to change that

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Reply #391 - Jul 14^th, 2014 at 4:09pm

King FriYAY II wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 3:28pm:

The verdict is in.....

Based on the definition set out in the United Nations people smuggling protocol, people who have come to Australia without a valid visa have illegally entered the country. That is the case even though these people have not committed any crime, nor broken any Australian or international law.

Bloody illegals.....

dopey continues.

Nope dopey, migration act is what matters when defining whether asylum seekers arrive illegally or not.

Sorry, you're wrong, as usual.

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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: Economic Refugees? Reply #393 - Jul 14^th, 2014 at 5:39pm Hot Bath.... you should take one, it will help you relax. I note you made no constructive or informative post re the topic (as usual) but thanks for helping us all on the way to page 28.
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Reply #394 - Jul 14^th, 2014 at 5:43pm

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 2:33pm:

hermoine wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 2:28pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 2:26pm:

hermoine wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 2:24pm:

Is putting children on a dangerous boat criminal when they have been found not be fleeing persecution?

no.

any more questions?

Sp putting your kids life in danger for monetary reasons ( some died) is not questionable.

it's not illegal nor criminal under Australian law.

They are also not Australians you idiot... or in Australia... your point is moot not to mention ridiculous.
What is illegal is coming to Australia without a visa or proper papers. Ask the UN, it also states that people who have reached safe refuge/asylum then move on have breached the convention.

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Reply #395 - Jul 14^th, 2014 at 5:47pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 2:16pm:

ian wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 2:10pm:

Aussie wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 1:49pm:

aquascoot wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 1:00pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 12:58pm:

hermoine wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 12:41pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 12:30pm:

hermoine wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 12:24pm:

So Greggorry ,do you personally think there is anything illegal by being a people smuggler customer??

I think it's illegal for people to wear green shoes.

But that's not what matters. What matters is WHETHER it is illegal for people to wear green shoes. Is it? Nope. Just like it isn't illegal to arrive to this country by boat.

Well when you pay a criminal to put your kids on an unseaworthy boat and they drown a negligence issue seems to arise.

In a desperate situation a person can do negligent things. But still not illegal.

glad to hear you admit they are negligent.

Let's get this clear. Those people who get on boats make their own risk assessment of what they (and their kids) might be confronted with on their voyage. Lots of factors I imagine, but just getting on the boat per se is not an act of negligence.

You are right. Knowingly and deliberately putting your children in danger is not negligence, it is criminal.

You just gonna keep going until you get one right?

Seeking asylum is criminal - wrong.

Unless you are a fraud.

Being in a boat without a visa is criminal - wrong.

Unless you are trying to gain access to another country.

Paying people smugglers is criminal - wrong.

Wrong, financially supporting criminal acts and people smuggling is a criminal act IS CRIMINAL>>>

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Reply #396 - Jul 14^th, 2014 at 5:55pm

Grendel wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 5:43pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 2:33pm:

hermoine wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 2:28pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 2:26pm:

hermoine wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 2:24pm:

Is putting children on a dangerous boat criminal when they have been found not be fleeing persecution?

no.

any more questions?

Sp putting your kids life in danger for monetary reasons ( some died) is not questionable.

it's not illegal nor criminal under Australian law.

They are also not Australians you idiot... or in Australia... your point is moot not to mention ridiculous.
What is illegal is coming to Australia without a visa or proper papers. Ask the UN, it also states that people who have reached safe refuge/asylum then move on have breached the convention.

The UN determines legality of travel between nations? Cheesy

FFS I give up, you're simply not worth it.

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 140099 Gender:	Re: Economic Refugees? Reply #397 - Jul 14^th, 2014 at 7:05pm Grendel wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 5:47pm: ... financially supporting criminal acts and people smuggling is a criminal act IS CRIMINAL>>> Incorrect. It is not illegal to pay people smugglers. Not at all.
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Reply #398 - Jul 14^th, 2014 at 7:12pm

Grendel wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 5:43pm:

What is illegal is coming to Australia without a visa or proper papers. Ask the UN, it also states that people who have reached safe refuge/asylum then move on have breached the convention.

Incorrect.

It is not illegal to come to Australia without a visa or proper papers.

It is also not illegal to pay people smugglers. Nor is it unlawful.

Moreover, the UN does not make laws.

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Reply #399 - Jul 14^th, 2014 at 7:40pm

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 5:55pm:

Grendel wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 5:43pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 2:33pm:

hermoine wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 2:28pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 2:26pm:

hermoine wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 2:24pm:

Is putting children on a dangerous boat criminal when they have been found not be fleeing persecution?

no.

any more questions?

Sp putting your kids life in danger for monetary reasons ( some died) is not questionable.

it's not illegal nor criminal under Australian law.

They are also not Australians you idiot... or in Australia... your point is moot not to mention ridiculous.
What is illegal is coming to Australia without a visa or proper papers. Ask the UN, it also states that people who have reached safe refuge/asylum then move on have breached the convention.

The UN determines legality of travel between nations? Cheesy

for goodness sake I give up, you're simply not worth it.

You've never read the actual document then?
You don't realise that it is illegal to enter a sovereign nation improperly?
Sorry... I'll be giving up on you. Cheesy

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Reply #400 - Jul 14^th, 2014 at 7:42pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 7:12pm:

Grendel wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 5:43pm:

What is illegal is coming to Australia without a visa or proper papers. Ask the UN, it also states that people who have reached safe refuge/asylum then move on have breached the convention.

Incorrect.

It is not illegal to come to Australia without a visa or proper papers.

yes it is.

It is also not illegal to pay people smugglers. Nor is it unlawful.

I said it was criminal.

Moreover, the UN does not make laws.

I never said they did.

stop wasting my time troll
or I'll be ignoring you completely.

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Reply #401 - Jul 14^th, 2014 at 7:45pm

Grendel wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 7:42pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 7:12pm:

Grendel wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 5:43pm:

What is illegal is coming to Australia without a visa or proper papers. Ask the UN, it also states that people who have reached safe refuge/asylum then move on have breached the convention.

Incorrect.

It is not illegal to come to Australia without a visa or proper papers.

yes it is.

It is also not illegal to pay people smugglers. Nor is it unlawful.

I said it was criminal.

Moreover, the UN does not make laws.

I never said they did.

stop wasting my time troll
or I'll be ignoring you completely.
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It is not illegal to enter Australia without a visa.

It is not criminal to pay people smugglers.

The UN doesn't make laws.

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Reply #402 - Jul 14^th, 2014 at 7:46pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 7:12pm:

Grendel wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 5:43pm:

What is illegal is coming to Australia without a visa or proper papers. Ask the UN, it also states that people who have reached safe refuge/asylum then move on have breached the convention.

Incorrect.

It is not illegal to come to Australia without a visa or proper papers.

It is also not illegal to pay people smugglers. Nor is it unlawful.

Moreover, the UN does not make laws.

Nothing is illegal as a far as you are concerned Prickadonna.

Yet off to detention and Manus Island they go, never to set foot in Australia.

Because that's not illegal either.

So many wasted words from the likes of you to so little effect. You must feel like you always feel - irrelevant, ineffectual, irresponsible. But why stop now?? This has been your whole life - pissing into the wind, covered in urine.

Carry on.

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Reply #403 - Jul 14^th, 2014 at 7:50pm

Soren wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 7:46pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 7:12pm:

Grendel wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 5:43pm:

What is illegal is coming to Australia without a visa or proper papers. Ask the UN, it also states that people who have reached safe refuge/asylum then move on have breached the convention.

Incorrect.

It is not illegal to come to Australia without a visa or proper papers.

It is also not illegal to pay people smugglers. Nor is it unlawful.

Moreover, the UN does not make laws.

Nothing is illegal as a far as you are concerned Prickadonna.

Yet off to detention and Manus Island they go, never to set foot in Australia.

Because that's not illegal either.

So many wasted words from the likes of you to so little effect. You must feel like you always feel - irrelevant, ineffectual, irresponsible. But why stop now?? This has been your whole life - pissing into the wind, covered in urine.

Carry on.

Many, many things are illegal, Soren.

Asylum seekers are detained for health, security, and identification checks: not for any illegal activity.

And no, it's not illegal. Certainly immoral though.

I'm just trying to educate the ignorant, Soren. Don't you want to learn?

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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: Economic Refugees? Reply #404 - Jul 14^th, 2014 at 7:53pm greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 7:45pm: It is not illegal to enter Australia without a visa. It is not criminal to pay people smugglers. It is. It is to be a people smuggler.
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