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Re: Economic Refugees?
Reply #45 - Jul 9^th, 2014 at 8:25pm

aquascoot wrote on Jul 8^th, 2014 at 3:31pm:

woof woof wrote on Jul 8^th, 2014 at 9:57am:

how many asylum seekers should we accept?

Give me a yearly figure, the absolute maximum you think??

No answer means no credibility.

none, there is a queue already. boat people should join it and stop pushing in.its rude

Where is the queue? If you flee Sri Lanka's barbaric dictatorship by boat how do you arrive at that queue?

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Reply #46 - Jul 9^th, 2014 at 10:50pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 9^th, 2014 at 12:41pm:

King FriYAY II wrote on Jul 9^th, 2014 at 11:42am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 9^th, 2014 at 11:35am:

Soren wrote on Jul 9^th, 2014 at 10:25am:

There is no obligation to let in ANYONE who is not coming directly from a place where he is under threat or in danger. Middle Easterners go freely and voluntarily to Indonesia so there is zero obligation on us to let them in without a visa.

You seem to be suggesting that asylum seekers can't pass through other countries before claiming asylum. i.e. they can't stop along the way to their destination country: they must go directly from their own country to the country they wish to seek asylum in, without stopping anywhere else.

If that is what you're suggesting, could you show me where you're getting that information from?

Is it from here:

http://www.unhcr.org/3b66c2aa10.html ?

Country shoppers.....

Where does it say that country shopping is not permitted?

Here
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jun/25/morrison-asylum-seekers-should-go-h...

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Re: Economic Refugees?
Reply #47 - Jul 9^th, 2014 at 11:00pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 9^th, 2014 at 12:41pm:

King FriYAY II wrote on Jul 9^th, 2014 at 12:02pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 9^th, 2014 at 11:56am:

King FriYAY II wrote on Jul 9^th, 2014 at 11:42am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 9^th, 2014 at 11:35am:

Soren wrote on Jul 9^th, 2014 at 10:25am:

There is no obligation to let in ANYONE who is not coming directly from a place where he is under threat or in danger. Middle Easterners go freely and voluntarily to Indonesia so there is zero obligation on us to let them in without a visa.

You seem to be suggesting that asylum seekers can't pass through other countries before claiming asylum. i.e. they can't stop along the way to their destination country: they must go directly from their own country to the country they wish to seek asylum in, without stopping anywhere else.

If that is what you're suggesting, could you show me where you're getting that information from?

Is it from here:

http://www.unhcr.org/3b66c2aa10.html ?

Country shoppers.....

Nope, not according to the refugee convention.

Illegal entrants....

Not according to Australian law.

wrong. Anyone regardless of intent to claim asylum who enters australia without a valid visa does so illegally.

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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: Economic Refugees? Reply #48 - Jul 11^th, 2014 at 11:14pm RIGHT!!!
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Reply #49 - Jul 12^th, 2014 at 12:08am

ian wrote on Jul 9^th, 2014 at 11:00pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 9^th, 2014 at 12:41pm:

King FriYAY II wrote on Jul 9^th, 2014 at 12:02pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 9^th, 2014 at 11:56am:

King FriYAY II wrote on Jul 9^th, 2014 at 11:42am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 9^th, 2014 at 11:35am:

Soren wrote on Jul 9^th, 2014 at 10:25am:

There is no obligation to let in ANYONE who is not coming directly from a place where he is under threat or in danger. Middle Easterners go freely and voluntarily to Indonesia so there is zero obligation on us to let them in without a visa.

You seem to be suggesting that asylum seekers can't pass through other countries before claiming asylum. i.e. they can't stop along the way to their destination country: they must go directly from their own country to the country they wish to seek asylum in, without stopping anywhere else.

If that is what you're suggesting, could you show me where you're getting that information from?

Is it from here:

http://www.unhcr.org/3b66c2aa10.html ?

Country shoppers.....

Nope, not according to the refugee convention.

Illegal entrants....

Not according to Australian law.

wrong. Anyone regardless of intent to claim asylum who enters australia without a valid visa does so illegally.

nope, unlawfully.

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Reply #50 - Jul 12^th, 2014 at 12:18am

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 12^th, 2014 at 12:08am:

ian wrote on Jul 9^th, 2014 at 11:00pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 9^th, 2014 at 12:41pm:

King FriYAY II wrote on Jul 9^th, 2014 at 12:02pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 9^th, 2014 at 11:56am:

King FriYAY II wrote on Jul 9^th, 2014 at 11:42am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 9^th, 2014 at 11:35am:

Soren wrote on Jul 9^th, 2014 at 10:25am:

There is no obligation to let in ANYONE who is not coming directly from a place where he is under threat or in danger. Middle Easterners go freely and voluntarily to Indonesia so there is zero obligation on us to let them in without a visa.

You seem to be suggesting that asylum seekers can't pass through other countries before claiming asylum. i.e. they can't stop along the way to their destination country: they must go directly from their own country to the country they wish to seek asylum in, without stopping anywhere else.

If that is what you're suggesting, could you show me where you're getting that information from?

Is it from here:

http://www.unhcr.org/3b66c2aa10.html ?

Country shoppers.....

Nope, not according to the refugee convention.

Illegal entrants....

Not according to Australian law.

wrong. Anyone regardless of intent to claim asylum who enters australia without a valid visa does so illegally.

nope, unlawfully.

and commits an illegal act by doing so. There's no way out of this, they are illegal entrants.

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Reply #51 - Jul 12^th, 2014 at 12:24am

ian wrote on Jul 12^th, 2014 at 12:18am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 12^th, 2014 at 12:08am:

ian wrote on Jul 9^th, 2014 at 11:00pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 9^th, 2014 at 12:41pm:

King FriYAY II wrote on Jul 9^th, 2014 at 12:02pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 9^th, 2014 at 11:56am:

King FriYAY II wrote on Jul 9^th, 2014 at 11:42am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 9^th, 2014 at 11:35am:

Soren wrote on Jul 9^th, 2014 at 10:25am:

There is no obligation to let in ANYONE who is not coming directly from a place where he is under threat or in danger. Middle Easterners go freely and voluntarily to Indonesia so there is zero obligation on us to let them in without a visa.

You seem to be suggesting that asylum seekers can't pass through other countries before claiming asylum. i.e. they can't stop along the way to their destination country: they must go directly from their own country to the country they wish to seek asylum in, without stopping anywhere else.

If that is what you're suggesting, could you show me where you're getting that information from?

Is it from here:

http://www.unhcr.org/3b66c2aa10.html ?

Country shoppers.....

Nope, not according to the refugee convention.

Illegal entrants....

Not according to Australian law.

wrong. Anyone regardless of intent to claim asylum who enters australia without a valid visa does so illegally.

nope, unlawfully.

and commits an illegal act by doing so. There's no way out of this, they are illegal entrants.

nope, entering australia unlawfully is committing an unlawful act.

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Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 42697	Re: Economic Refugees? Reply #52 - Jul 12^th, 2014 at 12:25am ian wrote on Jul 12^th, 2014 at 12:18am: and commits an illegal act by doing so. There's no way out of this, they are illegal entrants. And yet the Immigration Act defines them as being "unlawful entrants" not "illegal entrants". This has been gone over several times with you, I believe, Ian. Why do you remain so obtuse?
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Dnarever Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 59448 Here Gender:	Re: Economic Refugees? Reply #53 - Jul 12^th, 2014 at 12:27am Funny how all these economic refugees come from countries in turmoil.
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Andrei.Hicks Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 23818 Carlsbad, CA Gender:	Re: Economic Refugees? Reply #54 - Jul 12^th, 2014 at 12:31am Dnarever wrote on Jul 12^th, 2014 at 12:27am: Funny how all these economic refugees come from countries in turmoil. And head for the countries that will give them the easiest ride and completely by-pass completely safe nations on the way.... Funny isn't it.
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Reply #55 - Jul 12^th, 2014 at 12:44am

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 12^th, 2014 at 12:25am:

ian wrote on Jul 12^th, 2014 at 12:18am:

and commits an illegal act by doing so. There's no way out of this, they are illegal entrants.

And yet the Immigration Act defines them as being "unlawful entrants" not "illegal entrants". This has been gone over several times with you, I believe, Ian. Why do you remain so obtuse? Roll Eyes

It's the typical ignorance is bliss approach. Watch tomorrow he will be back arguing the same nonsense.

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Reply #56 - Jul 12^th, 2014 at 12:45am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 12^th, 2014 at 12:31am:

Dnarever wrote on Jul 12^th, 2014 at 12:27am:

Funny how all these economic refugees come from countries in turmoil.

And head for the countries that will give them the easiest ride and completely by-pass completely safe nations on the way....

Funny isn't it.

Another ignorance is bliss argument, if the "safe" country is not a signatory to the refugee convention then it isn't considered safe.

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hermoine Senior Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 364	Re: Economic Refugees? Reply #57 - Jul 12^th, 2014 at 8:29am Sir, can you please tell us rational Australians; how do we become 'unsignatories'? Its about time we turned our back on the west hating united nations.
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sir prince duke alevine Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 23619 Gender:	Re: Economic Refugees? Reply #58 - Jul 12^th, 2014 at 10:01am hermoine wrote on Jul 12^th, 2014 at 8:29am: Sir, can you please tell us rational Australians; how do we become 'unsignatories'? Its about time we turned our back on the west hating united nations. rescind the refugee convention.
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Reply #59 - Jul 12^th, 2014 at 10:05am

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 12^th, 2014 at 12:45am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 12^th, 2014 at 12:31am:

Dnarever wrote on Jul 12^th, 2014 at 12:27am:

Funny how all these economic refugees come from countries in turmoil.

And head for the countries that will give them the easiest ride and completely by-pass completely safe nations on the way....

Funny isn't it.

Another ignorance is bliss argument, if the "safe" country is not a signatory to the refugee convention then it isn't considered safe.

I suppose we should all stop going to Bali, Indonesia - it's apparently a dangerous country!

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