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Re: Economic Refugees?
Reply #60 - Jul 12^th, 2014 at 10:08am

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 12^th, 2014 at 10:01am:

hermoine wrote on Jul 12^th, 2014 at 8:29am:

Sir, can you please tell us rational Australians; how do we become 'unsignatories'? Its about time we turned our back on the west hating united nations.

rescind the refugee convention.

I don't think this is the correct answer - rational Australians would never even consider rescinding the refugees convention. Maybe it is just that the question was in some way flawed.

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Reply #61 - Jul 12^th, 2014 at 10:10am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 12^th, 2014 at 10:05am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 12^th, 2014 at 12:45am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 12^th, 2014 at 12:31am:

Dnarever wrote on Jul 12^th, 2014 at 12:27am:

Funny how all these economic refugees come from countries in turmoil.

And head for the countries that will give them the easiest ride and completely by-pass completely safe nations on the way....

Funny isn't it.

Another ignorance is bliss argument, if the "safe" country is not a signatory to the refugee convention then it isn't considered safe.

I suppose we should all stop going to Bali, Indonesia - it's apparently a dangerous country!

A lot of Australians won't go to Bali for that reason.

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Re: Economic Refugees?
Reply #62 - Jul 12^th, 2014 at 10:20am

Dnarever wrote on Jul 12^th, 2014 at 10:08am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 12^th, 2014 at 10:01am:

hermoine wrote on Jul 12^th, 2014 at 8:29am:

Sir, can you please tell us rational Australians; how do we become 'unsignatories'? Its about time we turned our back on the west hating united nations.

rescind the refugee convention.

I don't think this is the correct answer - rational Australians would never even consider rescinding the refugees convention. Maybe it is just that the question was in some way flawed.

I'm just explaining to this "rational Australian" how one becomes an "unsignatories" Wink

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Re: Economic Refugees?
Reply #63 - Jul 12^th, 2014 at 10:23am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 12^th, 2014 at 10:05am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 12^th, 2014 at 12:45am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 12^th, 2014 at 12:31am:

Dnarever wrote on Jul 12^th, 2014 at 12:27am:

Funny how all these economic refugees come from countries in turmoil.

And head for the countries that will give them the easiest ride and completely by-pass completely safe nations on the way....

Funny isn't it.

Another ignorance is bliss argument, if the "safe" country is not a signatory to the refugee convention then it isn't considered safe.

I suppose we should all stop going to Bali, Indonesia - it's apparently a dangerous country!

Bali is safe for Australians partying and holidaying.

But Indonesia is not a signatory to the refugee convention, armpit. Read the convention, you'll find that given it is not a signatory it means that it can not be considered as a safe place for refugees when determining if an asylum seeker is a refugee or not.

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Re: Economic Refugees?
Reply #64 - Jul 12^th, 2014 at 10:24am

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 12^th, 2014 at 10:23am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 12^th, 2014 at 10:05am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 12^th, 2014 at 12:45am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 12^th, 2014 at 12:31am:

Dnarever wrote on Jul 12^th, 2014 at 12:27am:

Funny how all these economic refugees come from countries in turmoil.

And head for the countries that will give them the easiest ride and completely by-pass completely safe nations on the way....

Funny isn't it.

Another ignorance is bliss argument, if the "safe" country is not a signatory to the refugee convention then it isn't considered safe.

I suppose we should all stop going to Bali, Indonesia - it's apparently a dangerous country!

Bali is safe for Australians partying and holidaying.

But Indonesia is not a signatory to the refugee convention, armpit. Read the convention, you'll find that given it is not a signatory it means that it can not be considered as a safe place for refugees when determining if an asylum seeker is a refugee or not.

Bali is safe. Grin

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Re: Economic Refugees?
Reply #65 - Jul 12^th, 2014 at 10:25am

hermoine wrote on Jul 12^th, 2014 at 10:24am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 12^th, 2014 at 10:23am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 12^th, 2014 at 10:05am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 12^th, 2014 at 12:45am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 12^th, 2014 at 12:31am:

Dnarever wrote on Jul 12^th, 2014 at 12:27am:

Funny how all these economic refugees come from countries in turmoil.

And head for the countries that will give them the easiest ride and completely by-pass completely safe nations on the way....

Funny isn't it.

Another ignorance is bliss argument, if the "safe" country is not a signatory to the refugee convention then it isn't considered safe.

I suppose we should all stop going to Bali, Indonesia - it's apparently a dangerous country!

Bali is safe for Australians partying and holidaying.

But Indonesia is not a signatory to the refugee convention, armpit. Read the convention, you'll find that given it is not a signatory it means that it can not be considered as a safe place for refugees when determining if an asylum seeker is a refugee or not.

Bali is safe. Grin

you disagree that Bali is safe?

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Re: Economic Refugees?
Reply #66 - Jul 12^th, 2014 at 10:28am

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 12^th, 2014 at 10:25am:

hermoine wrote on Jul 12^th, 2014 at 10:24am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 12^th, 2014 at 10:23am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 12^th, 2014 at 10:05am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 12^th, 2014 at 12:45am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 12^th, 2014 at 12:31am:

Dnarever wrote on Jul 12^th, 2014 at 12:27am:

Funny how all these economic refugees come from countries in turmoil.

And head for the countries that will give them the easiest ride and completely by-pass completely safe nations on the way....

Funny isn't it.

Another ignorance is bliss argument, if the "safe" country is not a signatory to the refugee convention then it isn't considered safe.

I suppose we should all stop going to Bali, Indonesia - it's apparently a dangerous country!

Bali is safe for Australians partying and holidaying.

But Indonesia is not a signatory to the refugee convention, armpit. Read the convention, you'll find that given it is not a signatory it means that it can not be considered as a safe place for refugees when determining if an asylum seeker is a refugee or not.

Bali is safe. Grin

you disagree that Bali is safe?

Well I don't know of another place in the world where more Australians have died. Electrocutions, food poisoning, drownings , murders and terrorist acts. What do you think??

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Re: Economic Refugees?
Reply #67 - Jul 12^th, 2014 at 10:31am

hermoine wrote on Jul 12^th, 2014 at 10:28am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 12^th, 2014 at 10:25am:

hermoine wrote on Jul 12^th, 2014 at 10:24am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 12^th, 2014 at 10:23am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 12^th, 2014 at 10:05am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 12^th, 2014 at 12:45am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 12^th, 2014 at 12:31am:

Dnarever wrote on Jul 12^th, 2014 at 12:27am:

Funny how all these economic refugees come from countries in turmoil.

And head for the countries that will give them the easiest ride and completely by-pass completely safe nations on the way....

Funny isn't it.

Another ignorance is bliss argument, if the "safe" country is not a signatory to the refugee convention then it isn't considered safe.

I suppose we should all stop going to Bali, Indonesia - it's apparently a dangerous country!

Bali is safe for Australians partying and holidaying.

But Indonesia is not a signatory to the refugee convention, armpit. Read the convention, you'll find that given it is not a signatory it means that it can not be considered as a safe place for refugees when determining if an asylum seeker is a refugee or not.

Bali is safe. Grin

you disagree that Bali is safe?

Well I don't know of another place in the world where more Australians have died. Electrocutions, food poisoning, drownings , murders and terrorist acts. What do you think??

I think given the amount of Australian tourists there each year, the stats would show that it is reasonably safe for Australian tourists.

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Re: Economic Refugees?
Reply #68 - Jul 12^th, 2014 at 10:31am

hermoine wrote on Jul 12^th, 2014 at 10:28am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 12^th, 2014 at 10:25am:

hermoine wrote on Jul 12^th, 2014 at 10:24am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 12^th, 2014 at 10:23am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 12^th, 2014 at 10:05am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 12^th, 2014 at 12:45am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 12^th, 2014 at 12:31am:

Dnarever wrote on Jul 12^th, 2014 at 12:27am:

Funny how all these economic refugees come from countries in turmoil.

And head for the countries that will give them the easiest ride and completely by-pass completely safe nations on the way....

Funny isn't it.

Another ignorance is bliss argument, if the "safe" country is not a signatory to the refugee convention then it isn't considered safe.

I suppose we should all stop going to Bali, Indonesia - it's apparently a dangerous country!

Bali is safe for Australians partying and holidaying.

But Indonesia is not a signatory to the refugee convention, armpit. Read the convention, you'll find that given it is not a signatory it means that it can not be considered as a safe place for refugees when determining if an asylum seeker is a refugee or not.

Bali is safe. Grin

you disagree that Bali is safe?

Well I don't know of another place in the world where more Australians have died. Electrocutions, food poisoning, drownings , murders and terrorist acts. What do you think??

Australia.

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Re: Economic Refugees?
Reply #69 - Jul 12^th, 2014 at 10:33am

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 12^th, 2014 at 10:31am:

hermoine wrote on Jul 12^th, 2014 at 10:28am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 12^th, 2014 at 10:25am:

hermoine wrote on Jul 12^th, 2014 at 10:24am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 12^th, 2014 at 10:23am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 12^th, 2014 at 10:05am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 12^th, 2014 at 12:45am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 12^th, 2014 at 12:31am:

Dnarever wrote on Jul 12^th, 2014 at 12:27am:

Funny how all these economic refugees come from countries in turmoil.

And head for the countries that will give them the easiest ride and completely by-pass completely safe nations on the way....

Funny isn't it.

Another ignorance is bliss argument, if the "safe" country is not a signatory to the refugee convention then it isn't considered safe.

I suppose we should all stop going to Bali, Indonesia - it's apparently a dangerous country!

Bali is safe for Australians partying and holidaying.

But Indonesia is not a signatory to the refugee convention, armpit. Read the convention, you'll find that given it is not a signatory it means that it can not be considered as a safe place for refugees when determining if an asylum seeker is a refugee or not.

Bali is safe. Grin

you disagree that Bali is safe?

Well I don't know of another place in the world where more Australians have died. Electrocutions, food poisoning, drownings , murders and terrorist acts. What do you think??

Australia.

I expected a stupid answer from you. I suppose you think Bali's safe also???

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Reply #70 - Jul 12^th, 2014 at 10:42am

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 12^th, 2014 at 10:25am:

hermoine wrote on Jul 12^th, 2014 at 10:24am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 12^th, 2014 at 10:23am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 12^th, 2014 at 10:05am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 12^th, 2014 at 12:45am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 12^th, 2014 at 12:31am:

Dnarever wrote on Jul 12^th, 2014 at 12:27am:

Funny how all these economic refugees come from countries in turmoil.

And head for the countries that will give them the easiest ride and completely by-pass completely safe nations on the way....

Funny isn't it.

Another ignorance is bliss argument, if the "safe" country is not a signatory to the refugee convention then it isn't considered safe.

I suppose we should all stop going to Bali, Indonesia - it's apparently a dangerous country!

Bali is safe for Australians partying and holidaying.

But Indonesia is not a signatory to the refugee convention, armpit. Read the convention, you'll find that given it is not a signatory it means that it can not be considered as a safe place for refugees when determining if an asylum seeker is a refugee or not.

Bali is safe. Grin

you disagree that Bali is safe?

No, right now Bali is safe.
Until the next bar explodes and another 200 or so people are blown to pieces that is.
And considering the Indonesians have such a systemically corrupt country throughout it's government, police and armed forces, it really is only a matter of time until another Islamist radical with his Jihadi brothers does what they do best.

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Re: Economic Refugees?
Reply #71 - Jul 12^th, 2014 at 10:50am

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jul 12^th, 2014 at 10:42am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 12^th, 2014 at 10:25am:

hermoine wrote on Jul 12^th, 2014 at 10:24am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 12^th, 2014 at 10:23am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 12^th, 2014 at 10:05am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 12^th, 2014 at 12:45am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 12^th, 2014 at 12:31am:

Dnarever wrote on Jul 12^th, 2014 at 12:27am:

Funny how all these economic refugees come from countries in turmoil.

And head for the countries that will give them the easiest ride and completely by-pass completely safe nations on the way....

Funny isn't it.

Another ignorance is bliss argument, if the "safe" country is not a signatory to the refugee convention then it isn't considered safe.

I suppose we should all stop going to Bali, Indonesia - it's apparently a dangerous country!

Bali is safe for Australians partying and holidaying.

But Indonesia is not a signatory to the refugee convention, armpit. Read the convention, you'll find that given it is not a signatory it means that it can not be considered as a safe place for refugees when determining if an asylum seeker is a refugee or not.

Bali is safe. Grin

you disagree that Bali is safe?

No, right now Bali is safe.
Until the next bar explodes and another 200 or so people are blown to pieces that is.
And considering the Indonesians have such a systemically corrupt country throughout it's government, police and armed forces, it really is only a matter of time until another Islamist radical with his Jihadi brothers does what they do best.

Wow, there's no beating your right wing ideologues. So let me get this straight, Indonesia is safe for refugees. But Indonesia is not safe for Australians.

Got it.

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Reply #72 - Jul 12^th, 2014 at 10:53am

hermoine wrote on Jul 12^th, 2014 at 10:33am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 12^th, 2014 at 10:31am:

hermoine wrote on Jul 12^th, 2014 at 10:28am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 12^th, 2014 at 10:25am:

hermoine wrote on Jul 12^th, 2014 at 10:24am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 12^th, 2014 at 10:23am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 12^th, 2014 at 10:05am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 12^th, 2014 at 12:45am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 12^th, 2014 at 12:31am:

Dnarever wrote on Jul 12^th, 2014 at 12:27am:

Funny how all these economic refugees come from countries in turmoil.

And head for the countries that will give them the easiest ride and completely by-pass completely safe nations on the way....

Funny isn't it.

Another ignorance is bliss argument, if the "safe" country is not a signatory to the refugee convention then it isn't considered safe.

I suppose we should all stop going to Bali, Indonesia - it's apparently a dangerous country!

Bali is safe for Australians partying and holidaying.

But Indonesia is not a signatory to the refugee convention, armpit. Read the convention, you'll find that given it is not a signatory it means that it can not be considered as a safe place for refugees when determining if an asylum seeker is a refugee or not.

Bali is safe. Grin

you disagree that Bali is safe?

Well I don't know of another place in the world where more Australians have died. Electrocutions, food poisoning, drownings , murders and terrorist acts. What do you think??

Australia.

I expected a stupid answer from you. I suppose you think Bali's safe also???

More people have died in Australia.

However, I wouldn't go to Bali if you paid me. And I mean that quite literally.

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Re: Economic Refugees?
Reply #73 - Jul 12^th, 2014 at 11:26am

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 12^th, 2014 at 10:50am:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jul 12^th, 2014 at 10:42am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 12^th, 2014 at 10:25am:

hermoine wrote on Jul 12^th, 2014 at 10:24am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 12^th, 2014 at 10:23am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 12^th, 2014 at 10:05am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 12^th, 2014 at 12:45am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 12^th, 2014 at 12:31am:

Dnarever wrote on Jul 12^th, 2014 at 12:27am:

Funny how all these economic refugees come from countries in turmoil.

And head for the countries that will give them the easiest ride and completely by-pass completely safe nations on the way....

Funny isn't it.

Another ignorance is bliss argument, if the "safe" country is not a signatory to the refugee convention then it isn't considered safe.

I suppose we should all stop going to Bali, Indonesia - it's apparently a dangerous country!

Bali is safe for Australians partying and holidaying.

But Indonesia is not a signatory to the refugee convention, armpit. Read the convention, you'll find that given it is not a signatory it means that it can not be considered as a safe place for refugees when determining if an asylum seeker is a refugee or not.

Bali is safe. Grin

you disagree that Bali is safe?

No, right now Bali is safe.
Until the next bar explodes and another 200 or so people are blown to pieces that is.
And considering the Indonesians have such a systemically corrupt country throughout it's government, police and armed forces, it really is only a matter of time until another Islamist radical with his Jihadi brothers does what they do best.

Wow, there's no beating your right wing ideologues. So let me get this straight, Indonesia is safe for refugees. But Indonesia is not safe for Australians.

Got it.

You do know that I replied to a post about Bali.
As far as I'm aware, bars haven't in the past been exploding in Indonesia in the past forty years outside of Bali, and country shoppers aren't in Bali.
And given that the exploding bars in Bali were ones mostly frequented by Westerners and mostly of a Christian faith, and most country shoppers believe in the religion of peace and Indonesia is the most populated country on the planet for Muslims, then it stands to reason that Indonesia is safe for country shoppers.
Given there have been no reports in the media of foreign country shoppers being persecuted in Indonesia, is just another indication that Indonesia is safe for foreign country shoppers.

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Re: Economic Refugees?
Reply #74 - Jul 12^th, 2014 at 11:31am

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jul 12^th, 2014 at 11:26am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 12^th, 2014 at 10:50am:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jul 12^th, 2014 at 10:42am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 12^th, 2014 at 10:25am:

hermoine wrote on Jul 12^th, 2014 at 10:24am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 12^th, 2014 at 10:23am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 12^th, 2014 at 10:05am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 12^th, 2014 at 12:45am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 12^th, 2014 at 12:31am:

Dnarever wrote on Jul 12^th, 2014 at 12:27am:

Funny how all these economic refugees come from countries in turmoil.

And head for the countries that will give them the easiest ride and completely by-pass completely safe nations on the way....

Funny isn't it.

Another ignorance is bliss argument, if the "safe" country is not a signatory to the refugee convention then it isn't considered safe.

I suppose we should all stop going to Bali, Indonesia - it's apparently a dangerous country!

Bali is safe for Australians partying and holidaying.

But Indonesia is not a signatory to the refugee convention, armpit. Read the convention, you'll find that given it is not a signatory it means that it can not be considered as a safe place for refugees when determining if an asylum seeker is a refugee or not.

Bali is safe. Grin

you disagree that Bali is safe?

No, right now Bali is safe.
Until the next bar explodes and another 200 or so people are blown to pieces that is.
And considering the Indonesians have such a systemically corrupt country throughout it's government, police and armed forces, it really is only a matter of time until another Islamist radical with his Jihadi brothers does what they do best.

Wow, there's no beating your right wing ideologues. So let me get this straight, Indonesia is safe for refugees. But Indonesia is not safe for Australians.

Got it.

You do know that I replied to a post about Bali.
As far as I'm aware, bars haven't in the past been exploding in Indonesia in the past forty years outside of Bali, and country shoppers aren't in Bali.
And given that the exploding bars in Bali were ones mostly frequented by Westerners and mostly of a Christian faith, and most country shoppers believe in the religion of peace and Indonesia is the most populated country on the planet for Muslims, then it stands to reason that Indonesia is safe for country shoppers.
Given there have been no reports in the media of foreign country shoppers being persecuted in Indonesia, is just another indication that Indonesia is safe for foreign country shoppers.

Got it.

foreign country shoppers? Who are "country shoppers" who aren't "foreign"? Grin

So your argument is as long as asylum seekers are form Bali, it's okay. If not from Bali, then they must be country shopping. Got it.

Is Indonesia a signatory to the refugee convention, yes or no, chic?

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