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Reply #75 - Jul 12^th, 2014 at 12:23pm

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 12^th, 2014 at 11:31am:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jul 12^th, 2014 at 11:26am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 12^th, 2014 at 10:50am:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jul 12^th, 2014 at 10:42am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 12^th, 2014 at 10:25am:

hermoine wrote on Jul 12^th, 2014 at 10:24am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 12^th, 2014 at 10:23am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 12^th, 2014 at 10:05am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 12^th, 2014 at 12:45am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jul 12^th, 2014 at 12:31am:

Dnarever wrote on Jul 12^th, 2014 at 12:27am:

Funny how all these economic refugees come from countries in turmoil.

And head for the countries that will give them the easiest ride and completely by-pass completely safe nations on the way....

Funny isn't it.

Another ignorance is bliss argument, if the "safe" country is not a signatory to the refugee convention then it isn't considered safe.

I suppose we should all stop going to Bali, Indonesia - it's apparently a dangerous country!

Bali is safe for Australians partying and holidaying.

But Indonesia is not a signatory to the refugee convention, armpit. Read the convention, you'll find that given it is not a signatory it means that it can not be considered as a safe place for refugees when determining if an asylum seeker is a refugee or not.

Bali is safe. Grin

you disagree that Bali is safe?

No, right now Bali is safe.
Until the next bar explodes and another 200 or so people are blown to pieces that is.
And considering the Indonesians have such a systemically corrupt country throughout it's government, police and armed forces, it really is only a matter of time until another Islamist radical with his Jihadi brothers does what they do best.

Wow, there's no beating your right wing ideologues. So let me get this straight, Indonesia is safe for refugees. But Indonesia is not safe for Australians.

Got it.

You do know that I replied to a post about Bali.
As far as I'm aware, bars haven't in the past been exploding in Indonesia in the past forty years outside of Bali, and country shoppers aren't in Bali.
And given that the exploding bars in Bali were ones mostly frequented by Westerners and mostly of a Christian faith, and most country shoppers believe in the religion of peace and Indonesia is the most populated country on the planet for Muslims, then it stands to reason that Indonesia is safe for country shoppers.
Given there have been no reports in the media of foreign country shoppers being persecuted in Indonesia, is just another indication that Indonesia is safe for foreign country shoppers.

Got it.

foreign country shoppers? Who are "country shoppers" who aren't "foreign"? Grin

So your argument is as long as asylum seekers are form Bali, it's okay. If not from Bali, then they must be country shopping. Got it.

Is Indonesia a signatory to the refugee convention, yes or no, chic?

I would imagine that foreign country shoppers who aren't foreign would be Australian eh, and thousands of Australians country shop each year before they decide to migrate overseas.
Indonesia is not a signatory to that archaic convention, and will likely to never be whilst they continue to underhandedly export foreign Islamic country shoppers to the West.
Are Indonesian authorities still looking for the 10,000+ young Iranian males that passed straight through customs at Jakarta international airport over six years and disappeared.
Because if they are, they can stop looking as Scott Morrison knows where they ended up.
And I've never heard of asylum seekers in Bali.
Anyone who can afford international plane flights and also to pay people smugglers are country shoppers.

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Reply #76 - Jul 12^th, 2014 at 12:50pm

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jul 12^th, 2014 at 12:23pm:

Anyone who can afford international plane flights and also to pay people smugglers are country shoppers.

The amount of money one has, is completely irrelevant when it comes to determining refugee status.

A multi-billionaire can be a refugee.

You are confusing refugees with paupers.

Refugees flee persecution, not poverty.

A refugee can most certainly be a pauper too, however, poverty is not a requirement for genuine refugee status, and wealth does not exclude one from claiming asylum.

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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: Economic Refugees? Reply #77 - Jul 12^th, 2014 at 12:53pm But many people fleeing "poverty" are indeed country shoppers... many from Sri Lanka for example are exactly that.
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LifeOrDeath Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1548	Re: Economic Refugees? Reply #78 - Jul 12^th, 2014 at 12:54pm Yes having enough money to flee persecution through 5 neighboring countries that take refugees before they even hit Australia
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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 140100 Gender:	Re: Economic Refugees? Reply #79 - Jul 12^th, 2014 at 12:57pm Grendel wrote on Jul 12^th, 2014 at 12:53pm: But many people fleeing "poverty" are indeed country shoppers... many from Sri Lanka for example are exactly that. Sure. Not every asylum seeker is a genuine refugee. One would be a fool to suggest such a thing.
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Reply #80 - Jul 12^th, 2014 at 1:00pm

My ancestors were all country shoppers - the Germans fled persecution of Jews in Germany which was a long-standing thing.. the Irish left after the Potato Famines and the Anti-Irish Laws... the Scottish came to escape the poverty of the Lowlands and the anti-Scottish sentiment, closure of the Heeghlandt etc leading to Clans being tossed from ancestral lands... the English came from Portsmouth, not a bad move......

All arrived by boat without passport and gave whatever information they felt the gatekeeper should have:-

(a bit like Captain Jack Sparrow arriving in his sinking boat)...

"Hey! You can't land here!"

"Threepence?"

"Certainly, Sir - that should pay for the entry fee - I'll carry your bags!"

I remain amazed that they all did so as Free Settlers so long ago, halfway around the world on stormy seas and without the RAN to rescue them and ship them to Maniac Island.

One ship's Captain of the German name collided with the West Coast of Tasmania...

"Found it!"

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Reply #81 - Jul 12^th, 2014 at 1:01pm

LifeOrDeath wrote on Jul 12^th, 2014 at 12:54pm:

Yes having enough money to flee persecution through 5 neighboring countries that take refugees before they even hit Australia

Correct.

The amount of money they have and the number of countries they pass through is completely irrelevant when it comes to their right to claim asylum.

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Reply #82 - Jul 12^th, 2014 at 1:01pm

It must be hard making the decision to escape all this persecution and plan for a world trip holidaying through 5 different countries only to pick the pension up in Australia at the end and organize trips for all the relos too have the holiday as well.. If they die because they got a dodgy tour guide you can accuse the Australian government for killing your relos and make them hold a funeral and fly you all up for it.

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There is no evidence of the existence of a muslim,mohammed,or quran until 60 years after mohammed was supposed to have died. Grin

Posting on islam just encourages them and is a waste of time.

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Reply #83 - Jul 12^th, 2014 at 1:02pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 12^th, 2014 at 1:01pm:

LifeOrDeath wrote on Jul 12^th, 2014 at 12:54pm:

Yes having enough money to flee persecution through 5 neighboring countries that take refugees before they even hit Australia

Correct.

The amount of money they have and the number of countries they pass through is completely irrelevant when it comes to their right to claim asylum.

If it is asylum they want seriously, one would imagine that they would take it where ever they get it. Bet you cant see that you are too busy making dumb excuses.

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There is no evidence of the existence of a muslim,mohammed,or quran until 60 years after mohammed was supposed to have died. Grin

Posting on islam just encourages them and is a waste of time.

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Reply #84 - Jul 12^th, 2014 at 1:03pm

LifeOrDeath wrote on Jul 12^th, 2014 at 1:01pm:

It must be hard making the decision to escape all this persecution and plan for a world trip holidaying through 5 different countries only to pick the pension up in Australia at the end and organize trips for all the relos too have the holiday as well.

I would think it's an easy decision to make.

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Reply #85 - Jul 12^th, 2014 at 1:05pm

LifeOrDeath wrote on Jul 12^th, 2014 at 1:02pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 12^th, 2014 at 1:01pm:

LifeOrDeath wrote on Jul 12^th, 2014 at 12:54pm:

Yes having enough money to flee persecution through 5 neighboring countries that take refugees before they even hit Australia

Correct.

The amount of money they have and the number of countries they pass through is completely irrelevant when it comes to their right to claim asylum.

If it is asylum they want seriously, one would imagine that they would take it where ever they get it.

Yes, I agree, although I have never had to flee persecution.

However, I'm just stating the facts: there is nothing stopping them from passing through several countries, or from having wads of cash.

There's no need to shoot the messenger.

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Reply #86 - Jul 12^th, 2014 at 1:06pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 12^th, 2014 at 1:01pm:

LifeOrDeath wrote on Jul 12^th, 2014 at 12:54pm:

Yes having enough money to flee persecution through 5 neighboring countries that take refugees before they even hit Australia

Correct.

The amount of money they have and the number of countries they pass through is completely irrelevant when it comes to their right to claim asylum.

Absolutely true.

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Reply #87 - Jul 12^th, 2014 at 1:07pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 12^th, 2014 at 1:03pm:

LifeOrDeath wrote on Jul 12^th, 2014 at 1:01pm:

It must be hard making the decision to escape all this persecution and plan for a world trip holidaying through 5 different countries only to pick the pension up in Australia at the end and organize trips for all the relos too have the holiday as well.

I would think it's an easy decision to make.

Of course it is, all that stress of persecution you are under and hiding your money in the caymans so you can draw on it once you're on the Aussie pension. Why not Australia is full of twats that encourage it. It's a no brainer really.

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There is no evidence of the existence of a muslim,mohammed,or quran until 60 years after mohammed was supposed to have died. Grin

Posting on islam just encourages them and is a waste of time.

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Reply #88 - Jul 12^th, 2014 at 1:08pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 12^th, 2014 at 1:03pm:

LifeOrDeath wrote on Jul 12^th, 2014 at 1:01pm:

It must be hard making the decision to escape all this persecution and plan for a world trip holidaying through 5 different countries only to pick the pension up in Australia at the end and organize trips for all the relos too have the holiday as well.

I would think it's an easy decision to make.

Especially when all five of those countries either do not accept refugees, or actually treat them badly so as to force them to move on, are not signatories to the UN convention, and offer little to no support.

If you can't live on the bread in your backpack, you die.

One can only imagine what some have had to do to even get on a boat.

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Reply #89 - Jul 12^th, 2014 at 1:11pm

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jul 12^th, 2014 at 1:06pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 12^th, 2014 at 1:01pm:

LifeOrDeath wrote on Jul 12^th, 2014 at 12:54pm:

Yes having enough money to flee persecution through 5 neighboring countries that take refugees before they even hit Australia

Correct.

The amount of money they have and the number of countries they pass through is completely irrelevant when it comes to their right to claim asylum.

Absolutely true.

And yet I still get abused whenever I make that statement.

I'm just stating the facts: I don't make the rules.

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