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Reply #120 - Jul 12th, 2014 at 6:59pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 12th, 2014 at 12:03pm:
ian wrote on Jul 12th, 2014 at 11:58am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 12th, 2014 at 11:57am:
They aren't my comments.

They are the comments you replied to. regardless, if you wish to derail yet another thread with your endless semantics i have better things to do than argue with a petulant 10 year old.



ian, give it a rest old son.

You made a simple mistake.  So what? We all do.

Don't make yourself look silly by carrying on like that.

I never mentioned anything about their rights in Indonesia: you know it, I know it, and everyone else in the forum knows it.

Seriously   Roll Eyes

This was my reply:

If they say they are seeking asylum, they are most certainly asylum seekers (that doesn't make them genuine refugees though).

If they don't say they're claiming asylum, then they are not asylum seekers.


You don't even have the sense to realise when I'm agreeing with you.




For something to be true it is not enough to be uttered. It is also important to know who is saying it and in what circumstances. Illegal entrants on boats can utter anything, including 'I want asylum', but it doesn't make them genuine asylum seekers.

These people are 'asylum seekers', not asylum seekers.
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Reply #121 - Jul 12th, 2014 at 6:59pm
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jul 12th, 2014 at 6:28pm:
hermoine wrote on Jul 12th, 2014 at 8:19am:
Greggory, how many asylum seekers are staying at your house?


how many ?



None.

And yours?


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Reply #122 - Jul 12th, 2014 at 7:01pm
 
Soren wrote on Jul 12th, 2014 at 6:59pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 12th, 2014 at 12:03pm:
ian wrote on Jul 12th, 2014 at 11:58am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 12th, 2014 at 11:57am:
They aren't my comments.

They are the comments you replied to. regardless, if you wish to derail yet another thread with your endless semantics i have better things to do than argue with a petulant 10 year old.



ian, give it a rest old son.

You made a simple mistake.  So what? We all do.

Don't make yourself look silly by carrying on like that.

I never mentioned anything about their rights in Indonesia: you know it, I know it, and everyone else in the forum knows it.

Seriously   Roll Eyes

This was my reply:

If they say they are seeking asylum, they are most certainly asylum seekers (that doesn't make them genuine refugees though).

If they don't say they're claiming asylum, then they are not asylum seekers.


You don't even have the sense to realise when I'm agreeing with you.




For something to be true it is not enough to be uttered. It is also important to know who is saying it and in what circumstances. Illegal entrants on boats can utter anything, including 'I want asylum', but it doesn't make them genuine asylum seekers.




Incorrect.

It does make them asylum seekers.

It does not, however, make them genuine refugees.

Even after all this time, you still don't know the difference between an asylum seeker and a refugee.




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Reply #123 - Jul 12th, 2014 at 7:04pm
 
To quote Mrs Thatcher on Bobby Sands - when he was on hunger strike - "If that is his choice, then that is his choice. He will however not hold this Government to ransom through it."

This is up to them.

Pass me the milk....
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Reply #124 - Jul 12th, 2014 at 7:08pm
 
Dnarever wrote on Jul 12th, 2014 at 12:34pm:
ian wrote on Jul 12th, 2014 at 11:37am:
Dnarever wrote on Jul 12th, 2014 at 10:31am:
ian wrote on Jul 10th, 2014 at 10:21am:
polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 10th, 2014 at 9:51am:
Yes, how dastardly of those evil women to do all they can to avoid having their children sent back to those lovely peaceful paradises in Syria and Iraq.
Didnt they come here from Indonesia? what threat were they under there?


Refugees are not recognised in Indonesia and they are not a signatory to the convention. Refugees can not work and their children can not be educated. This is hardly an ideal location or a place they can settle long term.
You, like greggary seem a little confused. These people are neither refugees or asylum seekers in  Indonesia. I am  not sure why this nonsense about having no rights in  Indonesia continues to be trotted out since it does not apply to these people.


The argument seems to go against the proposition that they are safe in Indonesia, the reason that they are not asylum seekers in Indonesia is because Indonesia does not provide asylum. They have no future or certainty in Indonesia. They are displaced people while they are there. The reason they have no access to the normal conditions of Indonesian society is not particularly relevant in terms of their position.

The fact is that refugees are not recognised in Indonesia, they have no stability, no future in the country and are vulnerable.


I reiterate ... if that's the case why go there in the first place? Roll Eyes
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Reply #125 - Jul 12th, 2014 at 7:12pm
 
Gnads wrote on Jul 12th, 2014 at 7:08pm:
Dnarever wrote on Jul 12th, 2014 at 12:34pm:
ian wrote on Jul 12th, 2014 at 11:37am:
Dnarever wrote on Jul 12th, 2014 at 10:31am:
ian wrote on Jul 10th, 2014 at 10:21am:
polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 10th, 2014 at 9:51am:
Yes, how dastardly of those evil women to do all they can to avoid having their children sent back to those lovely peaceful paradises in Syria and Iraq.
Didnt they come here from Indonesia? what threat were they under there?


Refugees are not recognised in Indonesia and they are not a signatory to the convention. Refugees can not work and their children can not be educated. This is hardly an ideal location or a place they can settle long term.
You, like greggary seem a little confused. These people are neither refugees or asylum seekers in  Indonesia. I am  not sure why this nonsense about having no rights in  Indonesia continues to be trotted out since it does not apply to these people.


The argument seems to go against the proposition that they are safe in Indonesia, the reason that they are not asylum seekers in Indonesia is because Indonesia does not provide asylum. They have no future or certainty in Indonesia. They are displaced people while they are there. The reason they have no access to the normal conditions of Indonesian society is not particularly relevant in terms of their position.

The fact is that refugees are not recognised in Indonesia, they have no stability, no future in the country and are vulnerable.


I reiterate ... if that's the case why go there in the first place? Roll Eyes


Its hard for the apologists aint it.  Grin
Such baby questions just blow it all away.
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Reply #126 - Jul 12th, 2014 at 7:13pm
 
I'd suggest that we get Dr. Philip Nitschke to these places to help those who are suffering so badly.

There is always a solution.   Cool

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Reply #127 - Jul 12th, 2014 at 7:15pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 12th, 2014 at 7:01pm:
Soren wrote on Jul 12th, 2014 at 6:59pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 12th, 2014 at 12:03pm:
ian wrote on Jul 12th, 2014 at 11:58am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 12th, 2014 at 11:57am:
They aren't my comments.

They are the comments you replied to. regardless, if you wish to derail yet another thread with your endless semantics i have better things to do than argue with a petulant 10 year old.



ian, give it a rest old son.

You made a simple mistake.  So what? We all do.

Don't make yourself look silly by carrying on like that.

I never mentioned anything about their rights in Indonesia: you know it, I know it, and everyone else in the forum knows it.

Seriously   Roll Eyes

This was my reply:

If they say they are seeking asylum, they are most certainly asylum seekers (that doesn't make them genuine refugees though).

If they don't say they're claiming asylum, then they are not asylum seekers.


You don't even have the sense to realise when I'm agreeing with you.




For something to be true it is not enough to be uttered. It is also important to know who is saying it and in what circumstances. Illegal entrants on boats can utter anything, including 'I want asylum', but it doesn't make them genuine asylum seekers.




Incorrect.

It does make them asylum seekers.

It does not, however, make them genuine refugees.

Even after all this time, you still don't know the difference between an asylum seeker and a refugee.




The decision whether a person is a refugee or not is most often left to certain government agencies within the host country. This can lead to a situation where the country will see an asylum seeker neither as refugee nor as legitimate migrant. Then they will be treated as an
illegal immigrant
(a person who is not a citizen of the country) even if their life was endangered in the country they fled from.
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Reply #128 - Jul 12th, 2014 at 7:18pm
 
Mattywisk wrote on Jul 12th, 2014 at 7:15pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 12th, 2014 at 7:01pm:
Soren wrote on Jul 12th, 2014 at 6:59pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 12th, 2014 at 12:03pm:
ian wrote on Jul 12th, 2014 at 11:58am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 12th, 2014 at 11:57am:
They aren't my comments.

They are the comments you replied to. regardless, if you wish to derail yet another thread with your endless semantics i have better things to do than argue with a petulant 10 year old.



ian, give it a rest old son.

You made a simple mistake.  So what? We all do.

Don't make yourself look silly by carrying on like that.

I never mentioned anything about their rights in Indonesia: you know it, I know it, and everyone else in the forum knows it.

Seriously   Roll Eyes

This was my reply:

If they say they are seeking asylum, they are most certainly asylum seekers (that doesn't make them genuine refugees though).

If they don't say they're claiming asylum, then they are not asylum seekers.


You don't even have the sense to realise when I'm agreeing with you.




For something to be true it is not enough to be uttered. It is also important to know who is saying it and in what circumstances. Illegal entrants on boats can utter anything, including 'I want asylum', but it doesn't make them genuine asylum seekers.




Incorrect.

It does make them asylum seekers.

It does not, however, make them genuine refugees.

Even after all this time, you still don't know the difference between an asylum seeker and a refugee.




The decision whether a person is a refugee or not is most often left to certain government agencies within the host country. This can lead to a situation where the country will see an asylum seeker neither as refugee nor as legitimate migrant. Then they will be treated as an
illegal immigrant
(a person who is not a citizen of the country) even if their life was endangered in the country they fled from.



You forgot to cite your reference.

http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asylum_seeker

To recap, if they say they are seeking asylum, they are genuine asylum seekers.

However that does not make them genuine refugees.

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Reply #129 - Jul 12th, 2014 at 7:36pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 12th, 2014 at 7:18pm:
Mattywisk wrote on Jul 12th, 2014 at 7:15pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 12th, 2014 at 7:01pm:
Soren wrote on Jul 12th, 2014 at 6:59pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 12th, 2014 at 12:03pm:
ian wrote on Jul 12th, 2014 at 11:58am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 12th, 2014 at 11:57am:
They aren't my comments.

They are the comments you replied to. regardless, if you wish to derail yet another thread with your endless semantics i have better things to do than argue with a petulant 10 year old.



ian, give it a rest old son.

You made a simple mistake.  So what? We all do.

Don't make yourself look silly by carrying on like that.

I never mentioned anything about their rights in Indonesia: you know it, I know it, and everyone else in the forum knows it.

Seriously   Roll Eyes

This was my reply:

If they say they are seeking asylum, they are most certainly asylum seekers (that doesn't make them genuine refugees though).

If they don't say they're claiming asylum, then they are not asylum seekers.


You don't even have the sense to realise when I'm agreeing with you.




For something to be true it is not enough to be uttered. It is also important to know who is saying it and in what circumstances. Illegal entrants on boats can utter anything, including 'I want asylum', but it doesn't make them genuine asylum seekers.




Incorrect.

It does make them asylum seekers.

It does not, however, make them genuine refugees.

Even after all this time, you still don't know the difference between an asylum seeker and a refugee.




The decision whether a person is a refugee or not is most often left to certain government agencies within the host country. This can lead to a situation where the country will see an asylum seeker neither as refugee nor as legitimate migrant. Then they will be treated as an
illegal immigrant
(a person who is not a citizen of the country) even if their life was endangered in the country they fled from.



You forgot to cite your reference.

http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asylum_seeker

To recap, if they say they are seeking asylum, they are genuine asylum seekers.

However that does not make them genuine refugees.



No need to cite my reference. They may not be genuine asylum seekers at all.
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Reply #130 - Jul 12th, 2014 at 7:52pm
 
Mattywisk wrote on Jul 12th, 2014 at 7:36pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 12th, 2014 at 7:18pm:
Mattywisk wrote on Jul 12th, 2014 at 7:15pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 12th, 2014 at 7:01pm:
Soren wrote on Jul 12th, 2014 at 6:59pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 12th, 2014 at 12:03pm:
ian wrote on Jul 12th, 2014 at 11:58am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 12th, 2014 at 11:57am:
They aren't my comments.

They are the comments you replied to. regardless, if you wish to derail yet another thread with your endless semantics i have better things to do than argue with a petulant 10 year old.



ian, give it a rest old son.

You made a simple mistake.  So what? We all do.

Don't make yourself look silly by carrying on like that.

I never mentioned anything about their rights in Indonesia: you know it, I know it, and everyone else in the forum knows it.

Seriously   Roll Eyes

This was my reply:

If they say they are seeking asylum, they are most certainly asylum seekers (that doesn't make them genuine refugees though).

If they don't say they're claiming asylum, then they are not asylum seekers.


You don't even have the sense to realise when I'm agreeing with you.




For something to be true it is not enough to be uttered. It is also important to know who is saying it and in what circumstances. Illegal entrants on boats can utter anything, including 'I want asylum', but it doesn't make them genuine asylum seekers.




Incorrect.

It does make them asylum seekers.

It does not, however, make them genuine refugees.

Even after all this time, you still don't know the difference between an asylum seeker and a refugee.




The decision whether a person is a refugee or not is most often left to certain government agencies within the host country. This can lead to a situation where the country will see an asylum seeker neither as refugee nor as legitimate migrant. Then they will be treated as an
illegal immigrant
(a person who is not a citizen of the country) even if their life was endangered in the country they fled from.



You forgot to cite your reference.

http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asylum_seeker

To recap, if they say they are seeking asylum, they are genuine asylum seekers.

However that does not make them genuine refugees.



No need to cite my reference. They may not be genuine asylum seekers at all.



They're genuine asylum seekers.

However, they may not be genuine refugees.

You just need to learn the difference (and learn to cite references, instead of plagiarising).
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Reply #131 - Jul 12th, 2014 at 8:04pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 12th, 2014 at 7:52pm:
Mattywisk wrote on Jul 12th, 2014 at 7:36pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 12th, 2014 at 7:18pm:
Mattywisk wrote on Jul 12th, 2014 at 7:15pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 12th, 2014 at 7:01pm:
Soren wrote on Jul 12th, 2014 at 6:59pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 12th, 2014 at 12:03pm:
ian wrote on Jul 12th, 2014 at 11:58am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 12th, 2014 at 11:57am:
They aren't my comments.

They are the comments you replied to. regardless, if you wish to derail yet another thread with your endless semantics i have better things to do than argue with a petulant 10 year old.



ian, give it a rest old son.

You made a simple mistake.  So what? We all do.

Don't make yourself look silly by carrying on like that.

I never mentioned anything about their rights in Indonesia: you know it, I know it, and everyone else in the forum knows it.

Seriously   Roll Eyes

This was my reply:

If they say they are seeking asylum, they are most certainly asylum seekers (that doesn't make them genuine refugees though).

If they don't say they're claiming asylum, then they are not asylum seekers.


You don't even have the sense to realise when I'm agreeing with you.




For something to be true it is not enough to be uttered. It is also important to know who is saying it and in what circumstances. Illegal entrants on boats can utter anything, including 'I want asylum', but it doesn't make them genuine asylum seekers.




Incorrect.

It does make them asylum seekers.

It does not, however, make them genuine refugees.

Even after all this time, you still don't know the difference between an asylum seeker and a refugee.




The decision whether a person is a refugee or not is most often left to certain government agencies within the host country. This can lead to a situation where the country will see an asylum seeker neither as refugee nor as legitimate migrant. Then they will be treated as an
illegal immigrant
(a person who is not a citizen of the country) even if their life was endangered in the country they fled from.



You forgot to cite your reference.

http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asylum_seeker

To recap, if they say they are seeking asylum, they are genuine asylum seekers.

However that does not make them genuine refugees.



No need to cite my reference. They may not be genuine asylum seekers at all.



They're genuine asylum seekers.

However, they may not be genuine refugees.

You just need to learn the difference (and learn to cite references, instead of plagiarising).


Sue me gweggy. No need to cite my reference on here at all.

You wouldn't know if they were genuine asylum seekers until they were processed gweggy.
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Reply #132 - Jul 12th, 2014 at 8:08pm
 
Mattywisk wrote on Jul 12th, 2014 at 8:04pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 12th, 2014 at 7:52pm:
Mattywisk wrote on Jul 12th, 2014 at 7:36pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 12th, 2014 at 7:18pm:
Mattywisk wrote on Jul 12th, 2014 at 7:15pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 12th, 2014 at 7:01pm:
Soren wrote on Jul 12th, 2014 at 6:59pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 12th, 2014 at 12:03pm:
ian wrote on Jul 12th, 2014 at 11:58am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 12th, 2014 at 11:57am:
They aren't my comments.

They are the comments you replied to. regardless, if you wish to derail yet another thread with your endless semantics i have better things to do than argue with a petulant 10 year old.



ian, give it a rest old son.

You made a simple mistake.  So what? We all do.

Don't make yourself look silly by carrying on like that.

I never mentioned anything about their rights in Indonesia: you know it, I know it, and everyone else in the forum knows it.

Seriously   Roll Eyes

This was my reply:

If they say they are seeking asylum, they are most certainly asylum seekers (that doesn't make them genuine refugees though).

If they don't say they're claiming asylum, then they are not asylum seekers.


You don't even have the sense to realise when I'm agreeing with you.




For something to be true it is not enough to be uttered. It is also important to know who is saying it and in what circumstances. Illegal entrants on boats can utter anything, including 'I want asylum', but it doesn't make them genuine asylum seekers.




Incorrect.

It does make them asylum seekers.

It does not, however, make them genuine refugees.

Even after all this time, you still don't know the difference between an asylum seeker and a refugee.




The decision whether a person is a refugee or not is most often left to certain government agencies within the host country. This can lead to a situation where the country will see an asylum seeker neither as refugee nor as legitimate migrant. Then they will be treated as an
illegal immigrant
(a person who is not a citizen of the country) even if their life was endangered in the country they fled from.



You forgot to cite your reference.

http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asylum_seeker

To recap, if they say they are seeking asylum, they are genuine asylum seekers.

However that does not make them genuine refugees.



No need to cite my reference. They may not be genuine asylum seekers at all.



They're genuine asylum seekers.

However, they may not be genuine refugees.

You just need to learn the difference (and learn to cite references, instead of plagiarising).


Sue me gweggy. No need to cite my reference on here at all.

You wouldn't know if they were genuine asylum seekers until they were processed gweggy.



I need to cite your references, to show others that you are in fact plagiarising.  i.e. you are a fraud.  A liar.

And, you wouldn't know if they were genuine refugees until they were processed.

Until then, they are genuine asylum seekers.

You need to learn the difference.
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Reply #133 - Jul 12th, 2014 at 8:14pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 12th, 2014 at 8:08pm:
Mattywisk wrote on Jul 12th, 2014 at 8:04pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 12th, 2014 at 7:52pm:
Mattywisk wrote on Jul 12th, 2014 at 7:36pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 12th, 2014 at 7:18pm:
Mattywisk wrote on Jul 12th, 2014 at 7:15pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 12th, 2014 at 7:01pm:
Soren wrote on Jul 12th, 2014 at 6:59pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 12th, 2014 at 12:03pm:
ian wrote on Jul 12th, 2014 at 11:58am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 12th, 2014 at 11:57am:
They aren't my comments.

They are the comments you replied to. regardless, if you wish to derail yet another thread with your endless semantics i have better things to do than argue with a petulant 10 year old.



ian, give it a rest old son.

You made a simple mistake.  So what? We all do.

Don't make yourself look silly by carrying on like that.

I never mentioned anything about their rights in Indonesia: you know it, I know it, and everyone else in the forum knows it.

Seriously   Roll Eyes

This was my reply:

If they say they are seeking asylum, they are most certainly asylum seekers (that doesn't make them genuine refugees though).

If they don't say they're claiming asylum, then they are not asylum seekers.


You don't even have the sense to realise when I'm agreeing with you.




For something to be true it is not enough to be uttered. It is also important to know who is saying it and in what circumstances. Illegal entrants on boats can utter anything, including 'I want asylum', but it doesn't make them genuine asylum seekers.




Incorrect.

It does make them asylum seekers.

It does not, however, make them genuine refugees.

Even after all this time, you still don't know the difference between an asylum seeker and a refugee.




The decision whether a person is a refugee or not is most often left to certain government agencies within the host country. This can lead to a situation where the country will see an asylum seeker neither as refugee nor as legitimate migrant. Then they will be treated as an
illegal immigrant
(a person who is not a citizen of the country) even if their life was endangered in the country they fled from.



You forgot to cite your reference.

http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asylum_seeker

To recap, if they say they are seeking asylum, they are genuine asylum seekers.

However that does not make them genuine refugees.



No need to cite my reference. They may not be genuine asylum seekers at all.



They're genuine asylum seekers.

However, they may not be genuine refugees.

You just need to learn the difference (and learn to cite references, instead of plagiarising).


Sue me gweggy. No need to cite my reference on here at all.

You wouldn't know if they were genuine asylum seekers until they were processed gweggy.



I need to cite your references, to show others that you are in fact plagiarising.  i.e. you are a fraud.  A liar.

And, you wouldn't know if they were genuine refugees until they were processed.

Until then, they are genuine asylum seekers.

You need to learn the difference.


You can cite what you want the contents is the same for the point it makes I doubt people will get upset princess. Since it was all true I was not Lying at all. They are not genuine until proven to be so gweggy.  Grin

Most probably are not genuine at all given their track records.  Wink
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Reply #134 - Jul 12th, 2014 at 8:52pm
 
Dnarever wrote on Jul 12th, 2014 at 12:34pm:
ian wrote on Jul 12th, 2014 at 11:37am:
Dnarever wrote on Jul 12th, 2014 at 10:31am:
ian wrote on Jul 10th, 2014 at 10:21am:
polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 10th, 2014 at 9:51am:
Yes, how dastardly of those evil women to do all they can to avoid having their children sent back to those lovely peaceful paradises in Syria and Iraq.
Didnt they come here from Indonesia? what threat were they under there?


Refugees are not recognised in Indonesia and they are not a signatory to the convention. Refugees can not work and their children can not be educated. This is hardly an ideal location or a place they can settle long term.
You, like greggary seem a little confused. These people are neither refugees or asylum seekers in  Indonesia. I am  not sure why this nonsense about having no rights in  Indonesia continues to be trotted out since it does not apply to these people.


The argument seems to go against the proposition that they are safe in Indonesia, the reason that they are not asylum seekers in Indonesia is because Indonesia does not provide asylum.
incorrect.  Quote:
They have no future or certainty in Indonesia. They are displaced people while they are there.
Also incorrect  Quote:
The reason they have no access to the normal conditions of Indonesian society is not particularly relevant in terms of their position.
again incorrect

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The fact is that refugees are not recognised in indonesia, they have no stability, no future in the country and are vulnerable.
You got that right . Whats your point? The people travelling to australia by boat via indonesia are neither asylum seekers or refugees in indonesia, you seem to have some difficulty understanding this. They are fully able to enter Indonesia as asylum seekers and be assessed as refugees within Indonesia by UNHCR. They instead choose to enter Indonesia as tourists.
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