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Reply #135 - Jul 12th, 2014 at 9:02pm
 
Hey whats up with a little bit of tourism while seeking asylum between countries  Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #136 - Jul 12th, 2014 at 9:09pm
 
Mattywisk wrote on Jul 12th, 2014 at 8:14pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 12th, 2014 at 8:08pm:
Mattywisk wrote on Jul 12th, 2014 at 8:04pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 12th, 2014 at 7:52pm:
Mattywisk wrote on Jul 12th, 2014 at 7:36pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 12th, 2014 at 7:18pm:
Mattywisk wrote on Jul 12th, 2014 at 7:15pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 12th, 2014 at 7:01pm:
Soren wrote on Jul 12th, 2014 at 6:59pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 12th, 2014 at 12:03pm:
ian wrote on Jul 12th, 2014 at 11:58am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 12th, 2014 at 11:57am:
They aren't my comments.

They are the comments you replied to. regardless, if you wish to derail yet another thread with your endless semantics i have better things to do than argue with a petulant 10 year old.



ian, give it a rest old son.

You made a simple mistake.  So what? We all do.

Don't make yourself look silly by carrying on like that.

I never mentioned anything about their rights in Indonesia: you know it, I know it, and everyone else in the forum knows it.

Seriously   Roll Eyes

This was my reply:

If they say they are seeking asylum, they are most certainly asylum seekers (that doesn't make them genuine refugees though).

If they don't say they're claiming asylum, then they are not asylum seekers.


You don't even have the sense to realise when I'm agreeing with you.




For something to be true it is not enough to be uttered. It is also important to know who is saying it and in what circumstances. Illegal entrants on boats can utter anything, including 'I want asylum', but it doesn't make them genuine asylum seekers.




Incorrect.

It does make them asylum seekers.

It does not, however, make them genuine refugees.

Even after all this time, you still don't know the difference between an asylum seeker and a refugee.




The decision whether a person is a refugee or not is most often left to certain government agencies within the host country. This can lead to a situation where the country will see an asylum seeker neither as refugee nor as legitimate migrant. Then they will be treated as an
illegal immigrant
(a person who is not a citizen of the country) even if their life was endangered in the country they fled from.



You forgot to cite your reference.

http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asylum_seeker

To recap, if they say they are seeking asylum, they are genuine asylum seekers.

However that does not make them genuine refugees.



No need to cite my reference. They may not be genuine asylum seekers at all.



They're genuine asylum seekers.

However, they may not be genuine refugees.

You just need to learn the difference (and learn to cite references, instead of plagiarising).


Sue me gweggy. No need to cite my reference on here at all.

You wouldn't know if they were genuine asylum seekers until they were processed gweggy.



I need to cite your references, to show others that you are in fact plagiarising.  i.e. you are a fraud.  A liar.

And, you wouldn't know if they were genuine refugees until they were processed.

Until then, they are genuine asylum seekers.

You need to learn the difference.


You can cite what you want the contents is the same for the point it makes I doubt people will get upset princess. Since it was all true I was not Lying at all. They are not genuine until proven to be so gweggy.  Grin

Most probably are not genuine at all given their track records.  Wink



They are not genuine refugees until they have been processed and deemed to be genuine - that is correct.

However, they are genuine asylum seekers.

You just need to learn the difference.

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Re: Nine asylum-seeker mums on self-harm watch
Reply #137 - Jul 12th, 2014 at 9:15pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 12th, 2014 at 9:09pm:
Mattywisk wrote on Jul 12th, 2014 at 8:14pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 12th, 2014 at 8:08pm:
Mattywisk wrote on Jul 12th, 2014 at 8:04pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 12th, 2014 at 7:52pm:
Mattywisk wrote on Jul 12th, 2014 at 7:36pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 12th, 2014 at 7:18pm:
Mattywisk wrote on Jul 12th, 2014 at 7:15pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 12th, 2014 at 7:01pm:
Soren wrote on Jul 12th, 2014 at 6:59pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 12th, 2014 at 12:03pm:
ian wrote on Jul 12th, 2014 at 11:58am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 12th, 2014 at 11:57am:
They aren't my comments.

They are the comments you replied to. regardless, if you wish to derail yet another thread with your endless semantics i have better things to do than argue with a petulant 10 year old.



ian, give it a rest old son.

You made a simple mistake.  So what? We all do.

Don't make yourself look silly by carrying on like that.

I never mentioned anything about their rights in Indonesia: you know it, I know it, and everyone else in the forum knows it.

Seriously   Roll Eyes

This was my reply:

If they say they are seeking asylum, they are most certainly asylum seekers (that doesn't make them genuine refugees though).

If they don't say they're claiming asylum, then they are not asylum seekers.


You don't even have the sense to realise when I'm agreeing with you.




For something to be true it is not enough to be uttered. It is also important to know who is saying it and in what circumstances. Illegal entrants on boats can utter anything, including 'I want asylum', but it doesn't make them genuine asylum seekers.




Incorrect.

It does make them asylum seekers.

It does not, however, make them genuine refugees.

Even after all this time, you still don't know the difference between an asylum seeker and a refugee.




The decision whether a person is a refugee or not is most often left to certain government agencies within the host country. This can lead to a situation where the country will see an asylum seeker neither as refugee nor as legitimate migrant. Then they will be treated as an
illegal immigrant
(a person who is not a citizen of the country) even if their life was endangered in the country they fled from.



You forgot to cite your reference.

http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asylum_seeker

To recap, if they say they are seeking asylum, they are genuine asylum seekers.

However that does not make them genuine refugees.



No need to cite my reference. They may not be genuine asylum seekers at all.



They're genuine asylum seekers.

However, they may not be genuine refugees.

You just need to learn the difference (and learn to cite references, instead of plagiarising).


Sue me gweggy. No need to cite my reference on here at all.

You wouldn't know if they were genuine asylum seekers until they were processed gweggy.



I need to cite your references, to show others that you are in fact plagiarising.  i.e. you are a fraud.  A liar.

And, you wouldn't know if they were genuine refugees until they were processed.

Until then, they are genuine asylum seekers.

You need to learn the difference.


You can cite what you want the contents is the same for the point it makes I doubt people will get upset princess. Since it was all true I was not Lying at all. They are not genuine until proven to be so gweggy.  Grin

Most probably are not genuine at all given their track records.  Wink



They are not genuine refugees until they have been processed and deemed to be genuine - that is correct.

However, they are genuine asylum seekers.

You just need to learn the difference.



No I don't, I know the difference. A non genuine asylum seeker is one that is really a criminal. That doesn't make him an asylum seeker that makes him a criminal posing as one. Do get it right gweg. Most of these so called indo asylum seekers are just illegal immigrants.
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Re: Nine asylum-seeker mums on self-harm watch
Reply #138 - Jul 12th, 2014 at 9:18pm
 
Mattywisk wrote on Jul 12th, 2014 at 9:15pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 12th, 2014 at 9:09pm:
Mattywisk wrote on Jul 12th, 2014 at 8:14pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 12th, 2014 at 8:08pm:
Mattywisk wrote on Jul 12th, 2014 at 8:04pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 12th, 2014 at 7:52pm:
Mattywisk wrote on Jul 12th, 2014 at 7:36pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 12th, 2014 at 7:18pm:
Mattywisk wrote on Jul 12th, 2014 at 7:15pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 12th, 2014 at 7:01pm:
Soren wrote on Jul 12th, 2014 at 6:59pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 12th, 2014 at 12:03pm:
ian wrote on Jul 12th, 2014 at 11:58am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 12th, 2014 at 11:57am:
They aren't my comments.

They are the comments you replied to. regardless, if you wish to derail yet another thread with your endless semantics i have better things to do than argue with a petulant 10 year old.



ian, give it a rest old son.

You made a simple mistake.  So what? We all do.

Don't make yourself look silly by carrying on like that.

I never mentioned anything about their rights in Indonesia: you know it, I know it, and everyone else in the forum knows it.

Seriously   Roll Eyes

This was my reply:

If they say they are seeking asylum, they are most certainly asylum seekers (that doesn't make them genuine refugees though).

If they don't say they're claiming asylum, then they are not asylum seekers.


You don't even have the sense to realise when I'm agreeing with you.




For something to be true it is not enough to be uttered. It is also important to know who is saying it and in what circumstances. Illegal entrants on boats can utter anything, including 'I want asylum', but it doesn't make them genuine asylum seekers.




Incorrect.

It does make them asylum seekers.

It does not, however, make them genuine refugees.

Even after all this time, you still don't know the difference between an asylum seeker and a refugee.




The decision whether a person is a refugee or not is most often left to certain government agencies within the host country. This can lead to a situation where the country will see an asylum seeker neither as refugee nor as legitimate migrant. Then they will be treated as an
illegal immigrant
(a person who is not a citizen of the country) even if their life was endangered in the country they fled from.



You forgot to cite your reference.

http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asylum_seeker

To recap, if they say they are seeking asylum, they are genuine asylum seekers.

However that does not make them genuine refugees.



No need to cite my reference. They may not be genuine asylum seekers at all.



They're genuine asylum seekers.

However, they may not be genuine refugees.

You just need to learn the difference (and learn to cite references, instead of plagiarising).


Sue me gweggy. No need to cite my reference on here at all.

You wouldn't know if they were genuine asylum seekers until they were processed gweggy.



I need to cite your references, to show others that you are in fact plagiarising.  i.e. you are a fraud.  A liar.

And, you wouldn't know if they were genuine refugees until they were processed.

Until then, they are genuine asylum seekers.

You need to learn the difference.


You can cite what you want the contents is the same for the point it makes I doubt people will get upset princess. Since it was all true I was not Lying at all. They are not genuine until proven to be so gweggy.  Grin

Most probably are not genuine at all given their track records.  Wink



They are not genuine refugees until they have been processed and deemed to be genuine - that is correct.

However, they are genuine asylum seekers.

You just need to learn the difference.



No I don't, I know the difference. A non genuine asylum seeker is one that is really a criminal. That doesn't make him an asylum seeker that makes him a criminal posing as one. Do get it right gweg. Most of these so called indo asylum seekers are just illegal immigrants.



There is no such thing as a "non genuine asylum seeker".

If someone says they are seeking asylum, they are a genuine asylum seeker.

They may not, however, be a genuine refugee.

You just need to learn the difference.

Moreover, if someone is a criminal they can still seek asylum.  It doesn't make them a "non genuine asylum seeker", it just makes them a genuine asylum seeker who has committed a crime.

They may not, however, be a genuine refugee.

You just need to learn the difference.
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Re: Nine asylum-seeker mums on self-harm watch
Reply #139 - Jul 12th, 2014 at 9:22pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 12th, 2014 at 9:18pm:
Mattywisk wrote on Jul 12th, 2014 at 9:15pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 12th, 2014 at 9:09pm:
Mattywisk wrote on Jul 12th, 2014 at 8:14pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 12th, 2014 at 8:08pm:
Mattywisk wrote on Jul 12th, 2014 at 8:04pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 12th, 2014 at 7:52pm:
Mattywisk wrote on Jul 12th, 2014 at 7:36pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 12th, 2014 at 7:18pm:
Mattywisk wrote on Jul 12th, 2014 at 7:15pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 12th, 2014 at 7:01pm:
Soren wrote on Jul 12th, 2014 at 6:59pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 12th, 2014 at 12:03pm:
ian wrote on Jul 12th, 2014 at 11:58am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 12th, 2014 at 11:57am:
They aren't my comments.

They are the comments you replied to. regardless, if you wish to derail yet another thread with your endless semantics i have better things to do than argue with a petulant 10 year old.



ian, give it a rest old son.

You made a simple mistake.  So what? We all do.

Don't make yourself look silly by carrying on like that.

I never mentioned anything about their rights in Indonesia: you know it, I know it, and everyone else in the forum knows it.

Seriously   Roll Eyes

This was my reply:

If they say they are seeking asylum, they are most certainly asylum seekers (that doesn't make them genuine refugees though).

If they don't say they're claiming asylum, then they are not asylum seekers.


You don't even have the sense to realise when I'm agreeing with you.




For something to be true it is not enough to be uttered. It is also important to know who is saying it and in what circumstances. Illegal entrants on boats can utter anything, including 'I want asylum', but it doesn't make them genuine asylum seekers.




Incorrect.

It does make them asylum seekers.

It does not, however, make them genuine refugees.

Even after all this time, you still don't know the difference between an asylum seeker and a refugee.




The decision whether a person is a refugee or not is most often left to certain government agencies within the host country. This can lead to a situation where the country will see an asylum seeker neither as refugee nor as legitimate migrant. Then they will be treated as an
illegal immigrant
(a person who is not a citizen of the country) even if their life was endangered in the country they fled from.



You forgot to cite your reference.

http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asylum_seeker

To recap, if they say they are seeking asylum, they are genuine asylum seekers.

However that does not make them genuine refugees.



No need to cite my reference. They may not be genuine asylum seekers at all.



They're genuine asylum seekers.

However, they may not be genuine refugees.

You just need to learn the difference (and learn to cite references, instead of plagiarising).


Sue me gweggy. No need to cite my reference on here at all.

You wouldn't know if they were genuine asylum seekers until they were processed gweggy.



I need to cite your references, to show others that you are in fact plagiarising.  i.e. you are a fraud.  A liar.

And, you wouldn't know if they were genuine refugees until they were processed.

Until then, they are genuine asylum seekers.

You need to learn the difference.


You can cite what you want the contents is the same for the point it makes I doubt people will get upset princess. Since it was all true I was not Lying at all. They are not genuine until proven to be so gweggy.  Grin

Most probably are not genuine at all given their track records.  Wink



They are not genuine refugees until they have been processed and deemed to be genuine - that is correct.

However, they are genuine asylum seekers.

You just need to learn the difference.



No I don't, I know the difference. A non genuine asylum seeker is one that is really a criminal. That doesn't make him an asylum seeker that makes him a criminal posing as one. Do get it right gweg. Most of these so called indo asylum seekers are just illegal immigrants.



There is no such thing as a "non genuine asylum seeker".

If someone says they are seeking asylum, they are a genuine asylum seeker.

They may not, however, be a genuine refugee.

You just need to learn the difference.

Moreover, if someone is a criminal they can still seek asylum.  It doesn't make them a "non genuine asylum seeker", it just makes them a genuine asylum seeker who has committed a crime.

They may not, however, be a genuine refugee.

You just need to learn the difference.



Genuine

adjective
truly what something is said to be; authentic.



If they are criminals or illegal immigrants posing as asylum seekers then they are NOT genuine gweg.

Scarey I know.
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Reply #140 - Jul 12th, 2014 at 9:25pm
 
Mattywisk wrote on Jul 12th, 2014 at 9:22pm:
If they are criminals or illegal immigrants posing as asylum seekers then they are NOT genuine gweg.

Scarey I know.



You also don't understand what an illegal immigrant is.  No surprises there.

If someone says they are seeking asylum, they are a genuine asylum seeker, no matter how many crimes they may have committed. 

However, they might not be a genuine refugee.

You just need to learn the difference between the two.
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Reply #141 - Jul 12th, 2014 at 9:27pm
 
LOL now you've done it  Grin Grin

I guess you need to understand what the word Genuine means then gweg don't come back until you do.
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Reply #142 - Jul 12th, 2014 at 9:29pm
 
Mattywisk wrote on Jul 12th, 2014 at 9:27pm:
LOL now you've done it  Grin Grin

I guess you need to understand what the word Genuine means then gweg don't come back until you do.



If someone says they are seeking asylum, they are a genuine asylum seeker.

They may not, however, be a genuine refugee.

You just need to learn the difference between a refugee and an asylum seeker.

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Reply #143 - Jul 12th, 2014 at 9:56pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 12th, 2014 at 9:29pm:
Mattywisk wrote on Jul 12th, 2014 at 9:27pm:
LOL now you've done it  Grin Grin

I guess you need to understand what the word Genuine means then gweg don't come back until you do.



If someone says they are seeking asylum, they are a genuine asylum seeker.

They may not, however, be a genuine refugee.

You just need to learn the difference between a refugee and an asylum seeker.



I can say I am seeking asylum under asylum laws and not mean it. That makes me non genuine. Do you understand that or are you a bit slow.
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Reply #144 - Jul 12th, 2014 at 9:59pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 12th, 2014 at 9:29pm:
... You just need to learn the difference between a refugee and an asylum seeker.


Ummmmmmm?

One's grateful for the deliverance from evil and will become a contributing member of his adopted country, while endeavouring to import his/her extended family to share the opportunities available and seeking safety?

The other will be a sponge on the local welfare system from day one,while endeavouring to import his/her extended family so's they may promote division in their adopted community while continuing to rort the system?

Both horses- different brands.

Guess which one's got my money?


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Reply #145 - Jul 12th, 2014 at 10:13pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 12th, 2014 at 7:01pm:
Soren wrote on Jul 12th, 2014 at 6:59pm:
For something to be true it is not enough to be uttered. It is also important to know who is saying it and in what circumstances. Illegal entrants on boats can utter anything, including 'I want asylum', but it doesn't make them genuine asylum seekers.




Incorrect.

It does make them asylum seekers.

It does not, however, make them genuine refugees.

Even after all this time, you still don't know the difference between an asylum seeker and a refugee.





Nonsense.

"I sentence you to death" has different meanings and consequences, depending on who says it and in what circumstances.

A load of Iranian carpet merchants paying smugglers to ship them to Australia are not genuine asylum seekers just because they utter a set of words.


Words have meaning IN CONTEXT, Five Fire Doors.







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Reply #146 - Jul 12th, 2014 at 10:23pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 12th, 2014 at 7:01pm:
Soren wrote on Jul 12th, 2014 at 6:59pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 12th, 2014 at 12:03pm:
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For something to be true it is not enough to be uttered. It is also important to know who is saying it and in what circumstances. Illegal entrants on boats can utter anything, including 'I want asylum', but it doesn't make them genuine asylum seekers.




Incorrect.

It does make them asylum seekers.






Not GENUINE asylum seekers.


Focus, Five Doors.

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Reply #147 - Jul 13th, 2014 at 9:07am
 
Soren wrote on Jul 12th, 2014 at 10:23pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 12th, 2014 at 7:01pm:
Soren wrote on Jul 12th, 2014 at 6:59pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 12th, 2014 at 12:03pm:
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For something to be true it is not enough to be uttered. It is also important to know who is saying it and in what circumstances. Illegal entrants on boats can utter anything, including 'I want asylum', but it doesn't make them genuine asylum seekers.




Incorrect.

It does make them asylum seekers.






Not GENUINE asylum seekers.


Focus, Five Doors.




Incorrect.

It makes them GENUINE asylum seekers.

There's no such thing as a "non genuine asylum seeker".

If somebody says they are seeking asylum, they are a GENUINE asylum seeker.

However, it doesn't necessarily mean that they are a GENUINE refugee.

Perhaps you should learn the difference.
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Reply #148 - Jul 13th, 2014 at 10:20am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 13th, 2014 at 9:07am:
Soren wrote on Jul 12th, 2014 at 10:23pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 12th, 2014 at 7:01pm:
Soren wrote on Jul 12th, 2014 at 6:59pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 12th, 2014 at 12:03pm:
.




For something to be true it is not enough to be uttered. It is also important to know who is saying it and in what circumstances. Illegal entrants on boats can utter anything, including 'I want asylum', but it doesn't make them genuine asylum seekers.




Incorrect.

It does make them asylum seekers.






Not GENUINE asylum seekers.


Focus, Five Doors.




Incorrect.

It makes them GENUINE asylum seekers.

There's no such thing as a "non genuine asylum seeker".

If somebody says they are seeking asylum, they are a GENUINE asylum seeker.

However, it doesn't necessarily mean that they are a GENUINE refugee.

Perhaps you should learn the difference.
Wrong, heres the UNHCR  definiton of asylum seeker.

Quote:
The terms asylum-seeker and refugee are often confused: an asylum-seeker is someone who says he or she is a refugee, but whose claim has not yet been definitively evaluated.
they still need to be refugees to be genuine asylum seekers.
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Reply #149 - Jul 13th, 2014 at 10:29am
 
ian wrote on Jul 13th, 2014 at 10:20am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 13th, 2014 at 9:07am:
Soren wrote on Jul 12th, 2014 at 10:23pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 12th, 2014 at 7:01pm:
Soren wrote on Jul 12th, 2014 at 6:59pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 12th, 2014 at 12:03pm:
.




For something to be true it is not enough to be uttered. It is also important to know who is saying it and in what circumstances. Illegal entrants on boats can utter anything, including 'I want asylum', but it doesn't make them genuine asylum seekers.




Incorrect.

It does make them asylum seekers.






Not GENUINE asylum seekers.


Focus, Five Doors.




Incorrect.

It makes them GENUINE asylum seekers.

There's no such thing as a "non genuine asylum seeker".

If somebody says they are seeking asylum, they are a GENUINE asylum seeker.

However, it doesn't necessarily mean that they are a GENUINE refugee.

Perhaps you should learn the difference.
Wrong, heres the UNHCR  definiton of asylum seeker.

Quote:
The terms asylum-seeker and refugee are often confused: an asylum-seeker is someone who says he or she is a refugee, but whose claim has not yet been definitively evaluated.
they still need to be refugees to be genuine asylum seekers.



Incorrect.

In fact, you couldn't be further from the truth.  You got it arse about.  You should have said: "they still need to be asylum seekers to be genuine refugees".

If someone says they are seeking asylum, they are a genuine asylum seeker.  No 'ifs'.  No 'buts'.

However, that doesn't necessarily make them a genuine refugee.

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