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Reply #255 - Jul 15^th, 2014 at 9:11pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 15^th, 2014 at 8:14pm:

Soren wrote on Jul 15^th, 2014 at 7:53pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 15^th, 2014 at 3:07pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 15^th, 2014 at 3:02pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 15^th, 2014 at 10:29am:

UnSubRocky wrote on Jul 15^th, 2014 at 12:59am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 9:45pm:

Soren got his little ass owned Grin

I think you had your arse handed to you. Especially when you made some concessions that asylum seekers aren't necessarily refugees. Aren't your proving us right that someone traveling half way around the world isn't genuinely a refugee? They are economic migrants that don't want to wait.

You seem to be confusing 'refugees' with 'asylum seekers'.

If someone says they are seeking asylum, they are a genuine asylum seeker. No 'ifs', no 'buts'.

However, that does not necessarily mean that they are a genuine refugee.

Nobody has ever suggested that all asylum seekers are genuine refugees. We know for a fact that some are not.

What bloody difference does it make? They entered a new country without informing the country that they were seeking asylum ...

Um, no.

When they enter the country that's exactly what they do: they announce that they are seeking asylum.

And that's exactly why they are sent to Manus and atrer told that they will never settle in Australia.

Australia decides who and how can come here. As infuriatingly simple as that. You enter without authorisation? You are off to Hellhole Island. If you want to settle here as a refugee, go through the proper UN channels. If you want to claim asylum here, make sure you enter with a passport and a visa. No passport, no visa, no authorisation to enter - and you still enter, you are fked. No work-around, pal.

Yes, that's correct.

You seem to be arguing with yourself. Not sure why that is.

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Re: Nine asylum-seeker mums on self-harm watch
Reply #256 - Jul 15^th, 2014 at 9:14pm

ian wrote on Jul 15^th, 2014 at 4:12pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 15^th, 2014 at 1:42pm:

ian wrote on Jul 15^th, 2014 at 12:07pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 8:28pm:

Hey Soren, you've got ian on your side now (he thinks people smuggling is legal).

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Thats your claim, not mine. I feel sorry for people who feel the need to lie to attempt to win a point on an internet forum.

Incorrect.

It's your claim.

I know full well that people smuggling is illegal, and that's why I made this statement, quite some time ago:

"it is illegal to be a people smuggler" http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1404775790/405#405 Twice!

If you claim these people are not entering australia illegally then you are also claiming people smuggling is not a crime because proving it depends on the people entering illegally.

No, it doesn't.

http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/cth/consol_act/ma1958118/s233a.html

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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: Nine asylum-seeker mums on self-harm watch Reply #257 - Jul 15^th, 2014 at 9:16pm greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 15^th, 2014 at 8:14pm: Soren got his little ass owned Quote: Yes, that's correct. That's a stupendous climb down even for one with nonexistent intellectual standard like you, Prickadonna. Putting on the shite-eating grin seems to be your speciality. Atta, boy.
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Re: Nine asylum-seeker mums on self-harm watch
Reply #258 - Jul 15^th, 2014 at 9:22pm

Soren wrote on Jul 15^th, 2014 at 9:16pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 15^th, 2014 at 8:14pm:

Soren got his little ass owned Grin

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Yes, that's correct.

That's a stupendous climb down even for one with nonexistent intellectual standard like you, Prickadonna.

Putting on the shite-eating grin seems to be your speciality.

Atta, boy.

You don't seem to be contributing anything to this thread, Soren.

You've been reduced to personal attacks and insults.

I'm sure if your last few posts were reported to the mods, you would enjoy a little holiday. e.g "You are an idiot." http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1404881644/249#249

To recap:

entering without a visa - not illegal
paying people smugglers - not illegal
being a people smuggler - illegal

http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/cth/consol_act/ma1958118/s233a.html

Here endeth the lesson.

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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: Nine asylum-seeker mums on self-harm watch Reply #259 - Jul 15^th, 2014 at 9:22pm Prickadonna, do you have anything other than 'yes buttery'? No.
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Re: Nine asylum-seeker mums on self-harm watch
Reply #260 - Jul 15^th, 2014 at 9:23pm

MIGRATION ACT 1958 - SECT 233A

Offence of people smuggling
         (1) A person (the first person ) commits an offence if:

                  (a) the first person organises or facilitates the bringing or coming to Australia, or the entry or proposed entry into Australia, of another person (the second person ); and

                  (b) the second person is a non-citizen; and

                  (c) the second person had, or has, no lawful right to come to Australia.

Penalty: Imprisonment for 10 years or 1,000 penalty units, or both.

         (2) Absolute liability applies to paragraph (1)(b).

Note:       For absolute liability, see section 6.2 of the Criminal Code .

         (3) For the purposes of this Act, an offence against subsection (1) is to be known as the offence of people smuggling.

http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/cth/consol_act/ma1958118/s233a.html

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Re: Nine asylum-seeker mums on self-harm watch
Reply #261 - Jul 15^th, 2014 at 9:29pm

It is a mighty climb down, whoever you want to report it to. You have tapdanced and hairsplitted yourself into a corner you cannot pout your way out of.

That's all it is. Is that hurting your feelings? Is that 'owning your little arse' to borrow one of your stupid phrases?

Poor little gweggowy, poor, poor little gweggowy.
A cruel world, own petards, all that, what??

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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: Nine asylum-seeker mums on self-harm watch Reply #262 - Jul 15^th, 2014 at 9:32pm greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 15^th, 2014 at 9:22pm: You don't seem to be contributing anything to this thread, Soren. I explained all your mistakes to you along the way with saintly patience. It is not my fault that you stubbornly resist instruction.
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Re: Nine asylum-seeker mums on self-harm watch
Reply #263 - Jul 15^th, 2014 at 9:32pm

ian wrote on Jul 15^th, 2014 at 4:12pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 15^th, 2014 at 1:42pm:

ian wrote on Jul 15^th, 2014 at 12:07pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 8:28pm:

Hey Soren, you've got ian on your side now (he thinks people smuggling is legal).

)

Thats your claim, not mine. I feel sorry for people who feel the need to lie to attempt to win a point on an internet forum.

Incorrect.

It's your claim.

I know full well that people smuggling is illegal, and that's why I made this statement, quite some time ago:

"it is illegal to be a people smuggler" http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1404775790/405#405 Twice!

If you claim these people are not entering australia illegally then you are also claiming people smuggling is not a crime because proving it depends on the people entering illegally.

It seems that they have removed that line from the Act.

MIGRATION ACT 1958 - SECT 233A

Offence of people smuggling
         (1) A person (the first person ) commits an offence if:

                  (a) the first person organises or facilitates the bringing or coming to Australia, or the entry or proposed entry into Australia, of another person (the second person ); and

                  (b) the second person is a non-citizen; and

                  (c) the second person had, or has, no lawful right to come to Australia.

Penalty: Imprisonment for 10 years or 1,000 penalty units, or both.

         (2) Absolute liability applies to paragraph (1)(b).

Note:       For absolute liability, see section 6.2 of the Criminal Code .

         (3) For the purposes of this Act, an offence against subsection (1) is to be known as the offence of people smuggling.

http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/cth/consol_act/ma1958118/s233a.html

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Re: Nine asylum-seeker mums on self-harm watch
Reply #264 - Jul 15^th, 2014 at 9:47pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 15^th, 2014 at 9:23pm:

MIGRATION ACT 1958 - SECT 233A

Offence of people smuggling
         (1) A person (the first person ) commits an offence if:

                  (a) the first person organises or facilitates the bringing or coming to Australia, or the entry or proposed entry into Australia, of another person (the second person ); and

                  (b) the second person is a non-citizen; and

                  (c) the second person had, or has, no lawful right to come to Australia.

Penalty: Imprisonment for 10 years or 1,000 penalty units, or both.

         (2) Absolute liability applies to paragraph (1)(b).

Note:       For absolute liability, see section 6.2 of the Criminal Code .

         (3) For the purposes of this Act, an offence against subsection (1) is to be known as the offence of people smuggling.

http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/cth/consol_act/ma1958118/s233a.html

Every schoolboy knows this. What are you struggling to convey?

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Re: Nine asylum-seeker mums on self-harm watch
Reply #265 - Jul 15^th, 2014 at 10:46pm

Soren wrote on Jul 15^th, 2014 at 9:47pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 15^th, 2014 at 9:23pm:

MIGRATION ACT 1958 - SECT 233A

Offence of people smuggling
         (1) A person (the first person ) commits an offence if:

                  (a) the first person organises or facilitates the bringing or coming to Australia, or the entry or proposed entry into Australia, of another person (the second person ); and

                  (b) the second person is a non-citizen; and

                  (c) the second person had, or has, no lawful right to come to Australia.

Penalty: Imprisonment for 10 years or 1,000 penalty units, or both.

         (2) Absolute liability applies to paragraph (1)(b).

Note:       For absolute liability, see section 6.2 of the Criminal Code .

         (3) For the purposes of this Act, an offence against subsection (1) is to be known as the offence of people smuggling.

http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/cth/consol_act/ma1958118/s233a.html

Every schoolboy knows this.

Except ian.

"If you claim these people are not entering australia illegally then you are also claiming people smuggling is not a crime because proving it depends on the people entering illegally."

"Ian.....check S233A of the Migration Act. I think the Uni Law School article use of "illegal entry" is at odds with the legislation."

You seem to be struggling to keep up, Soren.

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Re: Nine asylum-seeker mums on self-harm watch
Reply #266 - Jul 15^th, 2014 at 11:32pm

Soren wrote on Jul 15^th, 2014 at 9:47pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 15^th, 2014 at 9:23pm:

MIGRATION ACT 1958 - SECT 233A

Offence of people smuggling
         (1) A person (the first person ) commits an offence if:

                  (a) the first person organises or facilitates the bringing or coming to Australia, or the entry or proposed entry into Australia, of another person (the second person ); and

                  (b) the second person is a non-citizen; and

                  (c) the second person had, or has, no lawful right to come to Australia.

Penalty: Imprisonment for 10 years or 1,000 penalty units, or both.

         (2) Absolute liability applies to paragraph (1)(b).

Note:       For absolute liability, see section 6.2 of the Criminal Code .

         (3) For the purposes of this Act, an offence against subsection (1) is to be known as the offence of people smuggling.

http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/cth/consol_act/ma1958118/s233a.html

Every schoolboy knows this. What are you struggling to convey?

Intelligence.

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Reply #267 - Jul 15^th, 2014 at 11:34pm

Soren wrote on Jul 15^th, 2014 at 9:47pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 15^th, 2014 at 9:23pm:

MIGRATION ACT 1958 - SECT 233A

Offence of people smuggling
         (1) A person (the first person ) commits an offence if:

                  (a) the first person organises or facilitates the bringing or coming to Australia, or the entry or proposed entry into Australia, of another person (the second person ); and

                  (b) the second person is a non-citizen; and

                  (c) the second person had, or has, no lawful right to come to Australia.

Penalty: Imprisonment for 10 years or 1,000 penalty units, or both.

         (2) Absolute liability applies to paragraph (1)(b).

Note:       For absolute liability, see section 6.2 of the Criminal Code .

         (3) For the purposes of this Act, an offence against subsection (1) is to be known as the offence of people smuggling.

http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/cth/consol_act/ma1958118/s233a.html

Every schoolboy knows this.

Your familiarity with schoolboys comes as no great surprise.

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Grand Duke Imam Mahdi Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 564 Gender:	Re: Nine asylum-seeker mums on self-harm watch Reply #268 - Jul 15^th, 2014 at 11:51pm At the end of the day you're just a sad troll groggery .. Just ignore him.
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Reply #269 - Jul 17^th, 2014 at 12:12pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 15^th, 2014 at 10:46pm:

Soren wrote on Jul 15^th, 2014 at 9:47pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 15^th, 2014 at 9:23pm:

MIGRATION ACT 1958 - SECT 233A

Offence of people smuggling
         (1) A person (the first person ) commits an offence if:

                  (a) the first person organises or facilitates the bringing or coming to Australia, or the entry or proposed entry into Australia, of another person (the second person ); and

                  (b) the second person is a non-citizen; and

                  (c) the second person had, or has, no lawful right to come to Australia.

Penalty: Imprisonment for 10 years or 1,000 penalty units, or both.

         (2) Absolute liability applies to paragraph (1)(b).

Note:       For absolute liability, see section 6.2 of the Criminal Code .

         (3) For the purposes of this Act, an offence against subsection (1) is to be known as the offence of people smuggling.

http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/cth/consol_act/ma1958118/s233a.html

Every schoolboy knows this.

Except ian.

"If you claim these people are not entering australia illegally then you are also claiming people smuggling is not a crime because proving it depends on the people entering illegally."

"Ian.....check S233A of the Migration Act. I think the Uni Law School article use of "illegal entry" is at odds with the legislation."

You seem to be struggling to keep up, Soren.

Yeah, I am not a barber like you, coming from behind and splitting hairs.

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