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Reply #15 - Jul 10^th, 2014 at 4:29pm

Some strange things about his critics:

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A Sydney judge's comments about the taboo falling away from incest have outraged child protection advocates.

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She said in the case of incest when family boundaries are crossed, there is profound damage to children.

The judge specifically stated sexually mature, active and available. Also this one:

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Dr Cathy Kezelman, president of adults surviving child abuse, said his comments were archaic and "beyond belief".

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Alan Watt said over five years ago that sexual perversions such as incest and paedophilia would become a "new normal" and now I'm hearing this

Not sure which one is more appropriate - archaic or progressive. Our society was certainly more tolerant of incest a long time ago. I think our views on this are moving in the opposite direction to homosexuality.

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The_Barnacle Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6205 Melbourne Gender:	Re: More perversion to be accepted? Reply #16 - Jul 10^th, 2014 at 9:24pm Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jul 10^th, 2014 at 3:33pm: I suppose the key point is consent. The key point is consenting adults That seems to be the point that people like Bernardi and Taipan don't seem to understand
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Gnads Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 30182 Gender:	Re: More perversion to be accepted? Reply #17 - Jul 11^th, 2014 at 11:28am The fact that any of you can consider two consenting adults that are brother & sister should be able to have sexual relationship is frightening. Quote: a slap on the bum is now a crime but sodomy, which used to be a capital crime, is now lifestyle choice. Hole in one Soren
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\|dev\|null Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4434 Gender:	Re: More perversion to be accepted? Reply #18 - Jul 11^th, 2014 at 3:33pm Gnads wrote on Jul 11^th, 2014 at 11:28am: The fact that any of you can consider two consenting adults that are brother & sister should be able to have sexual relationship is frightening. Why? Who they are the harming if they are indeed consenting and adult? Who is the victim in this supposed crime? God?
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Re: More perversion to be accepted?
Reply #19 - Jul 11^th, 2014 at 3:34pm

The_Barnacle wrote on Jul 10^th, 2014 at 9:24pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jul 10^th, 2014 at 3:33pm:

I suppose the key point is consent.

The key point is consenting adults

That seems to be the point that people like Bernardi and Taipan don't seem to understand

Both want to sit in everybody's bedroom and check who's rooting whom and how, just to make it conforms to the norm they have defined for everybody else! Grin

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\|dev\|null Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4434 Gender:	Re: More perversion to be accepted? Reply #20 - Jul 11^th, 2014 at 3:36pm Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jul 10^th, 2014 at 3:33pm: I suppose the key point is consent. Yes. Without it, it becomes rape. We have laws against that, why do we need another law against non-rape?
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Reply #21 - Jul 11^th, 2014 at 5:20pm

Most of the commentary I have read on here on here is (as usual) off the topic or failing to understand it. The Judge WASNT promoting incest or child abuse. He was instead making a comment on social mores and how they change using homosexuality as the classic example. And since he was specifically talking about ADULT incestuous relationships the predictable outrage from the usual suspects was a idiotic as ever.

Incest has a very strong societal taboo. There is also a genetic predisposition to avoid incest. Which of those two statements differs from the story of homosexuality in society? NEITHER.

Whether adult incest will even be decriminalised or socially acceptable is an interesting question, but as usual, you cannot ask a serious provocative question in this society without your motivations being the only thing ever asked.

Personally, the thought repulses me, but so does homosexuality. Do if we remove our personal revulsion or opinion, what is the basis for criminalising adult incest?

I don't expect any rational discussion on the last paragraph any more than the judge dd.

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Reply #22 - Jul 11^th, 2014 at 5:25pm

Taipan wrote on Jul 10^th, 2014 at 10:23am:

Alan Watt said over five years ago that sexual perversions such as incest and paedophilia would become a "new normal" and now I'm hearing this;

Sydney judge slammed for incest comments

District Court Judge Garry Neilson reportedly said the community may no longer see sexual contact between siblings and between adults and children as "unnatural" or "taboo", just as homosexuality is now widely accepted.

"A jury might find nothing untoward in the advance of a brother towards his sister once she had sexually matured, had sexual relationships with other men and was now available, not having [a] sexual partner" he is reported as saying by Fairfax media.

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/2014/07/10/09/12/sydney-judge-slammed-for-in...

Welcome to your Sick, Sad , World.

Fair enough comment:

this is pretty heinous alright!

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Re: More perversion to be accepted?
Reply #23 - Jul 11^th, 2014 at 5:28pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 11^th, 2014 at 5:20pm:

Most of the commentary I have read on here on here is (as usual) off the topic or failing to understand it. The Judge WASNT promoting incest or child abuse. He was instead making a comment on social mores and how they change using homosexuality as the classic example. And since he was specifically talking about ADULT incestuous relationships the predictable outrage from the usual suspects was a idiotic as ever.

Incest has a very strong societal taboo. There is also a genetic predisposition to avoid incest. Which of those two statements differs from the story of homosexuality in society? NEITHER.

Whether adult incest will even be decriminalised or socially acceptable is an interesting question, but as usual, you cannot ask a serious provocative question in this society without your motivations being the only thing ever asked.

Personally, the thought repulses me, but so does homosexuality. Do if we remove our personal revulsion or opinion,

what is the basis for criminalising adult incest?

I don't expect any rational discussion on the last paragraph any more than the judge dd.

- you are committing well known and understood to be probable disability onto the progeny of such union! Therefore, it has become legislated as crime!

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Re: More perversion to be accepted?
Reply #24 - Jul 12^th, 2014 at 9:52am

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jul 11^th, 2014 at 5:28pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 11^th, 2014 at 5:20pm:

Most of the commentary I have read on here on here is (as usual) off the topic or failing to understand it. The Judge WASNT promoting incest or child abuse. He was instead making a comment on social mores and how they change using homosexuality as the classic example. And since he was specifically talking about ADULT incestuous relationships the predictable outrage from the usual suspects was a idiotic as ever.

Incest has a very strong societal taboo. There is also a genetic predisposition to avoid incest. Which of those two statements differs from the story of homosexuality in society? NEITHER.

Whether adult incest will even be decriminalised or socially acceptable is an interesting question, but as usual, you cannot ask a serious provocative question in this society without your motivations being the only thing ever asked.

Personally, the thought repulses me, but so does homosexuality. Do if we remove our personal revulsion or opinion,

what is the basis for criminalising adult incest?

I don't expect any rational discussion on the last paragraph any more than the judge dd.

- you are committing well known and understood to be probable disability onto the progeny of such union! Therefore, it has become legislated as crime!

Exactly .... even primitive peoples had systems in place to prevent it happening ... our first people had a system called "skin groups".

So did you hear about that incestuous lady golfer?

She always had one under Pa Tongue

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Re: More perversion to be accepted?
Reply #25 - Jul 13^th, 2014 at 10:00am

Taipan wrote on Jul 10^th, 2014 at 10:23am:

Alan Watt said over five years ago that sexual perversions such as incest and paedophilia would become a "new normal" and now I'm hearing this;

Sydney judge slammed for incest comments

District Court Judge Garry Neilson reportedly said the community may no longer see sexual contact between siblings and between adults and children as "unnatural" or "taboo", just as homosexuality is now widely accepted.

"A jury might find nothing untoward in the advance of a brother towards his sister once she had sexually matured, had sexual relationships with other men and was now available, not having [a] sexual partner" he is reported as saying by Fairfax media.

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/2014/07/10/09/12/sydney-judge-slammed-for-in...

Welcome to your Sick, Sad , World.

What happens between consenting adults shouldn't really be a matter for law enforcement. Unless there is someone being hurt, it's really not anyone else's place to comment.

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Reply #26 - Jul 13^th, 2014 at 10:16am

Rubbish ..... taboos & laws against incest are there for a damned good reason.

It's to prevent inbreeding & weakening of the gene pool which is then prone to abnormalities & their continuance & proliferation through the subsequent generations.

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The biggest problem with inbreeding is that it increases the chances of both parents carrying recessive traits for all kinds of ailments and deformities like hemophilia and cystic fibrosis, as well as genetic deformities, like the Habsburg jaw. They also run the risk of greater possibilities of certain cancers as well as mental issues.

http://hubpages.com/hub/The-Habsburg-Jaw-And-Other-Royal-Inbreeding-Deformities-...

Besides that I find the thought of sex with siblings or parents... as adults & or juveniles to be abhorrent....

and those suggesting it is no one's business & it should be allowed/accepted to be FITH. Roll Eyes

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Re: More perversion to be accepted?
Reply #27 - Jul 13^th, 2014 at 11:21am

Gnads wrote on Jul 13^th, 2014 at 10:16am:

Rubbish ..... taboos & laws against incest are there for a damned good reason.

It's to prevent inbreeding & weakening of the gene pool which is then prone to abnormalities & their continuance & proliferation through the subsequent generations.

You realise that there is a difference between sex, marriage and children, right?

[Gnads wrote on Jul 13^th, 2014 at 10:16am:

Besides that I find the thought of sex with siblings or parents... as adults & or juveniles to be abhorrent....

and those suggesting it is no one's business & it should be allowed/accepted to be FITH. Roll Eyes

How you feel about isn't really relevant. You really think it is reasonable to restrict something because you find it icky?

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49554 At my desk.	Re: More perversion to be accepted? Reply #28 - Jul 13^th, 2014 at 1:42pm Although contraception is available, it is still inevitable that children will be born into long term sexual relationships, one way or another.
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Re: More perversion to be accepted?
Reply #29 - Jul 13^th, 2014 at 1:54pm

Gnads wrote on Jul 13^th, 2014 at 10:16am:

Rubbish ..... taboos & laws against incest are there for a damned good reason.

It's to prevent inbreeding & weakening of the gene pool which is then prone to abnormalities & their continuance & proliferation through the subsequent generations.

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The biggest problem with inbreeding is that it increases the chances of both parents carrying recessive traits for all kinds of ailments and deformities like hemophilia and cystic fibrosis, as well as genetic deformities, like the Habsburg jaw. They also run the risk of greater possibilities of certain cancers as well as mental issues.

http://hubpages.com/hub/The-Habsburg-Jaw-And-Other-Royal-Inbreeding-Deformities-...

Besides that I find the thought of sex with siblings or parents... as adults & or juveniles to be abhorrent....

and those suggesting it is no one's business & it should be allowed/accepted to be FITH. Roll Eyes

Agreed!

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