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Re: More perversion to be accepted?
Reply #30 - Jul 13^th, 2014 at 2:35pm

Taipan wrote on Jul 13^th, 2014 at 1:54pm:

Gnads wrote on Jul 13^th, 2014 at 10:16am:

Rubbish ..... taboos & laws against incest are there for a damned good reason.

It's to prevent inbreeding & weakening of the gene pool which is then prone to abnormalities & their continuance & proliferation through the subsequent generations.

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The biggest problem with inbreeding is that it increases the chances of both parents carrying recessive traits for all kinds of ailments and deformities like hemophilia and cystic fibrosis, as well as genetic deformities, like the Habsburg jaw. They also run the risk of greater possibilities of certain cancers as well as mental issues.

http://hubpages.com/hub/The-Habsburg-Jaw-And-Other-Royal-Inbreeding-Deformities-...

Besides that I find the thought of sex with siblings or parents... as adults & or juveniles to be abhorrent....

and those suggesting it is no one's business & it should be allowed/accepted to be FITH. Roll Eyes

Agreed!

Finally Taipan admits that outbreeding is a genetically beneficial process.

Therefore extended outbreeding outside one's race must be even better.

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Re: More perversion to be accepted?
Reply #31 - Jul 13^th, 2014 at 6:35pm

Kytro wrote on Jul 13^th, 2014 at 11:21am:

Gnads wrote on Jul 13^th, 2014 at 10:16am:

Rubbish ..... taboos & laws against incest are there for a damned good reason.

It's to prevent inbreeding & weakening of the gene pool which is then prone to abnormalities & their continuance & proliferation through the subsequent generations.

You realise that there is a difference between sex, marriage and children, right?

[Gnads wrote on Jul 13^th, 2014 at 10:16am:

Besides that I find the thought of sex with siblings or parents... as adults & or juveniles to be abhorrent....

and those suggesting it is no one's business & it should be allowed/accepted to be FITH. Roll Eyes

How you feel about isn't really relevant. You really think it is reasonable to restrict something because you find it icky?

So which one are are you? MoFo, Pater Poker or Sister Stalker .... you sick bastard. Roll Eyes

Been watching Game of Thrones .... Cersei & Jaime took your fancy?

Fairdinkum you need therapy.

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Re: More perversion to be accepted?
Reply #32 - Jul 13^th, 2014 at 6:54pm

ian wrote on Jul 10^th, 2014 at 10:44am:

The magistrate is correct in his comments, homosexuality was previously considered a sexual perversion , now it isnt. If you look at DSM it has only recently changed.

DSM is a joke: lots of drugs to sell and labels are the ony thing that makes the business legitimate!

This mad industry believes 1/3 of the world is undiagnosed bipolar- that is a shed load of profiteering to be imagined!!

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Reply #33 - Jul 13^th, 2014 at 6:56pm

Laugh till you cry wrote on Jul 13^th, 2014 at 2:35pm:

Taipan wrote on Jul 13^th, 2014 at 1:54pm:

Gnads wrote on Jul 13^th, 2014 at 10:16am:

Rubbish ..... taboos & laws against incest are there for a damned good reason.

It's to prevent inbreeding & weakening of the gene pool which is then prone to abnormalities & their continuance & proliferation through the subsequent generations.

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The biggest problem with inbreeding is that it increases the chances of both parents carrying recessive traits for all kinds of ailments and deformities like hemophilia and cystic fibrosis, as well as genetic deformities, like the Habsburg jaw. They also run the risk of greater possibilities of certain cancers as well as mental issues.

http://hubpages.com/hub/The-Habsburg-Jaw-And-Other-Royal-Inbreeding-Deformities-...

Besides that I find the thought of sex with siblings or parents... as adults & or juveniles to be abhorrent....

and those suggesting it is no one's business & it should be allowed/accepted to be FITH. Roll Eyes

Agreed!

Finally Taipan admits that outbreeding is a genetically beneficial process.

Therefore extended outbreeding outside one's race must be even better.

The point is a good one! Cool

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Reply #35 - Jul 13^th, 2014 at 6:59pm

Gnads wrote on Jul 12^th, 2014 at 9:52am:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jul 11^th, 2014 at 5:28pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 11^th, 2014 at 5:20pm:

Most of the commentary I have read on here on here is (as usual) off the topic or failing to understand it. The Judge WASNT promoting incest or child abuse. He was instead making a comment on social mores and how they change using homosexuality as the classic example. And since he was specifically talking about ADULT incestuous relationships the predictable outrage from the usual suspects was a idiotic as ever.

Incest has a very strong societal taboo. There is also a genetic predisposition to avoid incest. Which of those two statements differs from the story of homosexuality in society? NEITHER.

Whether adult incest will even be decriminalised or socially acceptable is an interesting question, but as usual, you cannot ask a serious provocative question in this society without your motivations being the only thing ever asked.

Personally, the thought repulses me, but so does homosexuality. Do if we remove our personal revulsion or opinion,

what is the basis for criminalising adult incest?

I don't expect any rational discussion on the last paragraph any more than the judge dd.

- you are committing well known and understood to be probable disability onto the progeny of such union! Therefore, it has become legislated as crime!

Exactly .... even primitive peoples had systems in place to prevent it happening ... our first people had a system called "skin groups".

So did you hear about that incestuous lady golfer?

She always had one under Pa Tongue

You're saying skin colour was a basic system to prevent incest? Shocked

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Re: More perversion to be accepted?
Reply #36 - Jul 13^th, 2014 at 9:46pm

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jul 13^th, 2014 at 6:57pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 13^th, 2014 at 1:42pm:

Although contraception is available, it is still inevitable that children will be born into long term sexual relationships, one way or another.

exactly: making incest worthy of criminality!

Ah, making it illegal will not change this. Making the relationship legal but having children illegal isn't likely to have a significant impact considering the likely uptake. Those who want to do this, will do it anyway, and those who want the sex without the children are of no concern.

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 140086 Gender:	Re: More perversion to be accepted? Reply #37 - Jul 13^th, 2014 at 9:50pm Soren wrote on Jul 10^th, 2014 at 11:21am: A revolution in mores - a slap on the bum is now a crime but sodomy, which used to be a capital crime, is now lifestyle choice. What you and bobby get up to is your business, and your business only. Not that there's anything wrong with that.
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Reply #38 - Jul 14^th, 2014 at 5:40pm

Kytro wrote on Jul 13^th, 2014 at 9:46pm:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jul 13^th, 2014 at 6:57pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 13^th, 2014 at 1:42pm:

Although contraception is available, it is still inevitable that children will be born into long term sexual relationships, one way or another.

exactly: making incest worthy of criminality!

Ah, making it illegal will not change this. Making the relationship legal but having children illegal isn't likely to have a significant impact considering the likely uptake. Those who want to do this, will do it anyway, and those who want the sex without the children are of no concern.

I don't think incest is like homosexuality. It is not an orientation. That being said, making homosexuality illegal would have had a significant impact on the practice too. It is not a drug.

Another thing to consider is that even in an otherwise legal adult relationship, there is still significant potential for abusive power relationships - for more so than non-incestuous relationships.

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Re: More perversion to be accepted?
Reply #39 - Jul 14^th, 2014 at 6:06pm

freediver wrote on Jul 14^th, 2014 at 5:40pm:

I don't think incest is like homosexuality. It is not an orientation. That being said, making homosexuality illegal would have had a significant impact on the practice too. It is not a drug.

Another thing to consider is that even in an otherwise legal adult relationship, there is still significant potential for abusive power relationships - for more so than non-incestuous relationships.

I agree that it isn't an orientation.

A possibility of a power imbalance isn't really sufficient reason to ban something outright.

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Reply #42 - Jul 19^th, 2014 at 7:20pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 19^th, 2014 at 4:32pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 19^th, 2014 at 4:26pm:

Is incest between adults illegal in Australia?

Not as far as I know.

The Human Rights (Sexual Conduct) Act 1994 (Cwth) keeps most Darwinians and Tasmanians out of gaol.

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In all jurisdictions except New South Wales, incest is sexual intercourse between a "lineal ancestor" and a "lineal descendant".

In New South Wales, incest takes place between "close family members", which are "parent, son, daughter, sibling (including a half-brother or half-sister), grandparent or grandchild, being such a family member from birth".

Incest generally only applies in cases where a participant is aged 16 or over (the age of consent in that state); and where the participant is aged between 10 and 16 years of age an older participant would generally be charged with sexual intercourse with a child under the age of 16, while cases in which a participant is under 10 an older participant would generally be charged with sexual intercourse with a child under the age of 10.

In Queensland, unlawful incest includes sexual intercourse between an uncle or aunt with their niece or nephew, although here its application is curtailed by the effect of the federal Marriage Act 1961, as the Queensland Criminal Code states that the crime of incest does not apply to “persons who are lawfully married or entitled to be lawfully married”. Thus it is not incest for a niece aged 16 or over to engage in sexual intercourse with their uncles and a nephew aged 16 or over may engage in sexual intercourse with their aunts, but same-sex uncle-nephew and aunt-niece sexual intercourse may be unlawful even in the case of consenting adults, as the Marriage Act does not allow same-sex marriage.

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In no Australian state or territory is consent a defense to incest. The maximum penalty for incest varies: eight years imprisonment in New South Wales; 10 years imprisonment in South Australia; 20 years imprisonment in Western Australia and the Australian Capital Territory; 25 years imprisonment in the Northern Territory, Victoria and Tasmania; and life imprisonment in Queensland. After one conviction for incest, the offender's name is placed on the Sex Offenders Register for 15 years, while any offender with two or more convictions for incest has their name placed on the Register for the remainder of their life.

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