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Re: Question about breastfeeding
Reply #15 - Jul 12^th, 2014 at 1:41pm

Abbott Lies wrote on Jul 11^th, 2014 at 2:46am:

Apparently there was a 12 year-old kid who drank some breast milk that the Prophet's wife had expressed into a cup.

Bigots usually try and twist the story and tell people that the Prophet's wife suckled a grown man. Rather pathetic of them isn't it?

Typically, bigots rely on falsehoods to further their agenda of hate.

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There is no evidence of the existence of a muslim,mohammed,or quran until 60 years after mohammed was supposed to have died. Grin

Posting on islam just encourages them and is a waste of time.

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Re: Question about breastfeeding
Reply #16 - Jul 12^th, 2014 at 3:28pm

Adamant wrote on Jul 12^th, 2014 at 12:30pm:

And on the matter of suckling?

Well it seems Abbott Lies might be closer to the mark....

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The first thing that must be clarified is that there was no physical contact between Sahla bin Suhail and Salim –may Allah be pleased with them both.

Meaning of the Arabic word أَرْضِعِيهِ:

The Hadith actually uses the word أَرْضِعِيهِ to show what the Prophet –may Allah bless him- asked Sahla to do. The word is a derivative of رضاع (Radhha) and it does not basically meaning suckling i.e. drinking from the breasts.

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“He did Raddha (from the) breasts of his mother.”

So the basic, original meaning of Raddha cannot be “suckling” but it has to be “feeding.” Had it been “suckling” there was no need to add “from the breasts …” The real meaning is “feeding” and the context or explicit information alone can clarify if it means, “suckling” i.e. “feeding from the breasts” or it was some other way.

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While the context does not say anything explicitly, we have to look for the answer elsewhere.

Qadhi Ayyaz said: “It is possible that she (Sahla) poured (her milk) and then he (Salim) drank it without having to touch her breast.” al-Nawawi said, “It is a fair possibility.” (Fath al-Bari 14/346)

Infact one narration gives us the explicit answer. We read;

Muhammad bin 'Umar (al-Waqidi) told us: Muhammad bin 'Abdullah, al-Zuhri's nephew, told us on authority of his father that he said, “An amount of a drink milk was collected in a pot or a glass, and Salim used to drink it every day, for five days. After this, he used to enter upon her while her head was uncovered. This was permission from Messenger of Allah to Sahla bint Suhail." (Ibn Sa’d’s Tabaqat al-Kubra 8/271 Quoted by Ibn Hajr in al-Isabah 4/11)

http://www.letmeturnthetables.com/2011/06/there-is-no-adult-breastfeeding-in.htm...

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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Re: Question about breastfeeding
Reply #18 - Jul 12^th, 2014 at 5:50pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 12^th, 2014 at 3:28pm:

Adamant wrote on Jul 12^th, 2014 at 12:30pm:

And on the matter of suckling?

Well it seems Abbott Lies might be closer to the mark....

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The first thing that must be clarified is that there was no physical contact between Sahla bin Suhail and Salim –may Allah be pleased with them both.

Meaning of the Arabic word أَرْضِعِيهِ:

The Hadith actually uses the word أَرْضِعِيهِ to show what the Prophet –may Allah bless him- asked Sahla to do. The word is a derivative of رضاع (Radhha) and it does not basically meaning suckling i.e. drinking from the breasts.

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“He did Raddha (from the) breasts of his mother.”

So the basic, original meaning of Raddha cannot be “suckling” but it has to be “feeding.” Had it been “suckling” there was no need to add “from the breasts …” The real meaning is “feeding” and the context or explicit information alone can clarify if it means, “suckling” i.e. “feeding from the breasts” or it was some other way.

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While the context does not say anything explicitly, we have to look for the answer elsewhere.

Qadhi Ayyaz said: “It is possible that she (Sahla) poured (her milk) and then he (Salim) drank it without having to touch her breast.” al-Nawawi said, “It is a fair possibility.” (Fath al-Bari 14/346)

Infact one narration gives us the explicit answer. We read;

Muhammad bin 'Umar (al-Waqidi) told us: Muhammad bin 'Abdullah, al-Zuhri's nephew, told us on authority of his father that he said, “An amount of a drink milk was collected in a pot or a glass, and Salim used to drink it every day, for five days. After this, he used to enter upon her while her head was uncovered. This was permission from Messenger of Allah to Sahla bint Suhail." (Ibn Sa’d’s Tabaqat al-Kubra 8/271 Quoted by Ibn Hajr in al-Isabah 4/11)

http://www.letmeturnthetables.com/2011/06/there-is-no-adult-breastfeeding-in.htm...

You have to be kidding me Gandalf, you offer a blogger as proof that Mo did not say what he did say? A blogger since 2007 knows more than Sunnah.com when they refer to Sahih Muslim. I realize you are suffering temporary privations but get off the grass.

I have more questions for you on this matter but will wait till you have broken your fast as you seem a little light headed at the mo!

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Mattywisk Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1373 Gender:	Re: Question about breastfeeding Reply #20 - Jul 12^th, 2014 at 6:21pm Yeah ya have to give Brian toss an A for efart.
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Adamant Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1892 Brisbane	Re: Question about breastfeeding Reply #21 - Jul 13^th, 2014 at 9:24am Brian Ross wrote on Jul 12^th, 2014 at 7:45pm: Resorting to ad hominem again, Adamant? You trot that out ad nauseam, you do it every time you lose the plot. To emphasise this you proceed by adding childish glyphs.
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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: Question about breastfeeding Reply #22 - Jul 13^th, 2014 at 10:32am Adamant wrote on Jul 12^th, 2014 at 5:50pm: You have to be kidding me Gandalf, you offer a blogger as proof that Mo did not say what he did say? I offer the arguments said blogger presented. Shame you are seemingly incapable of objectively considering an argument.
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Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 42248	Re: Question about breastfeeding Reply #23 - Jul 13^th, 2014 at 11:45am Adamant wrote on Jul 13^th, 2014 at 9:24am: Brian Ross wrote on Jul 12^th, 2014 at 7:45pm: Resorting to ad hominem again, Adamant? You trot that out ad nauseam, you do it every time you lose the plot. To emphasise this you proceed by adding childish glyphs. Poor adamant. You appear particularly truculent today.
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Re: Question about breastfeeding
Reply #24 - Jul 13^th, 2014 at 12:00pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 13^th, 2014 at 10:32am:

Adamant wrote on Jul 12^th, 2014 at 5:50pm:

You have to be kidding me Gandalf, you offer a blogger as proof that Mo did not say what he did say?

I offer the arguments said blogger presented.

Shame you are seemingly incapable of objectively considering an argument.

I considered it, albeit fleetingly.

On this forum you have to have proof, that is an opinion. Not backed by an Imam therefore unacceptable even to you.

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Re: Question about breastfeeding
Reply #25 - Jul 13^th, 2014 at 12:07pm

Adamant wrote on Jul 13^th, 2014 at 12:00pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 13^th, 2014 at 10:32am:

Adamant wrote on Jul 12^th, 2014 at 5:50pm:

You have to be kidding me Gandalf, you offer a blogger as proof that Mo did not say what he did say?

I offer the arguments said blogger presented.

Shame you are seemingly incapable of objectively considering an argument.

I considered it, albeit fleetingly.

Yes, objectivity seems sadly lacking from your posts, Adamant. Not surprising really. Roll Eyes

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Re: Question about breastfeeding
Reply #26 - Jul 13^th, 2014 at 12:47pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 13^th, 2014 at 11:45am:

Adamant wrote on Jul 13^th, 2014 at 9:24am:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 12^th, 2014 at 7:45pm:

Resorting to ad hominem again, Adamant?

You trot that out ad nauseam, you do it every time you lose the plot. To emphasise this you proceed by adding childish glyphs.

Poor adamant. You appear particularly truculent today. Roll Eyes

As usual you say nothing. Silly glyphs don't count.

Found a Fatwa on how to breast feed a warrior yet Gadalf?

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Re: Question about breastfeeding
Reply #27 - Jul 13^th, 2014 at 12:56pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 13^th, 2014 at 12:07pm:

Adamant wrote on Jul 13^th, 2014 at 12:00pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 13^th, 2014 at 10:32am:

Adamant wrote on Jul 12^th, 2014 at 5:50pm:

You have to be kidding me Gandalf, you offer a blogger as proof that Mo did not say what he did say?

I offer the arguments said blogger presented.

Shame you are seemingly incapable of objectively considering an argument.

I considered it, albeit fleetingly.

Yes, objectivity seems sadly lacking from your posts, Adamant. Not surprising really. Roll Eyes

Cherry picking threads is a favourite method of intimidation of yours is it not Brian. You also resort to "ad hominem" when it suits your purpose. Oh and the glyphs haha.

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: Question about breastfeeding Reply #28 - Jul 13^th, 2014 at 12:57pm Adamant wrote on Jul 13^th, 2014 at 12:00pm: On this forum you have to have proof, that is an opinion. Proof of what exactly? Interpreting islamic jurisprudence is 100% opinion.
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Reply #29 - Jul 13^th, 2014 at 3:05pm

Adamant wrote on Jul 13^th, 2014 at 12:47pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 13^th, 2014 at 11:45am:

Adamant wrote on Jul 13^th, 2014 at 9:24am:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 12^th, 2014 at 7:45pm:

Resorting to ad hominem again, Adamant?

You trot that out ad nauseam, you do it every time you lose the plot. To emphasise this you proceed by adding childish glyphs.

Poor adamant. You appear particularly truculent today. Roll Eyes

As usual you say nothing. Silly glyphs don't count.

And your personal attacks contribute...what...exactly, Adamant? Roll Eyes

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