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Re: The cost of Palmers' demands
Reply #15 - Jul 11^th, 2014 at 9:54am

cods wrote on Jul 11^th, 2014 at 9:48am:

aquascoot wrote on Jul 11^th, 2014 at 9:38am:

Karnal wrote on Jul 11^th, 2014 at 9:30am:

Eric Abetz must have a hotline to the editor of the Tele.

The Libs agreed to Palmer’s "wrecking ball" demands, and only realized their mistake later.

Thank heavens the grown-ups are back in charge.

Its not a matter of wrecking balls or grown ups.
Palmer will play them and the longer he does the more incompetent they look.
Like a festering absess, go in hard with the sharp steel.

politics is all about winning.

The people don't want to have to vote again, they don't want the carbon tax,
Attack now, call palmers bluff and he may lose some votes.

Wait 2 years and its Abbott who looks totally weak.

The time to strike is NOW, whilst the public are ready to take it out on palmer for creating this mess.

there are an awful lot of vindictive people out there who are enjoying this mess...thats the problem.. they dont see this person as a wrecking ball for the country only abbott....and if he goes for another election it wont include the senate..

where he will still control.. what a mess those who elected him have on their hands...

has anyone noticed how piggy stalks off when hes said his few words....]heading for the feeding trough no doubt] never stays around for any tough questions..

anyway I am not surprised by this oaf...not to be trusted at all I have said that all along...he is a nasty piece of goods..

cods... he tired to do an interview yesterday after he wrecked the Australian parliament, but he couldn't take the heat and walked out..

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Re: The cost of Palmers' demands
Reply #16 - Jul 11^th, 2014 at 9:57am

cods wrote on Jul 11^th, 2014 at 9:48am:

aquascoot wrote on Jul 11^th, 2014 at 9:38am:

Karnal wrote on Jul 11^th, 2014 at 9:30am:

Eric Abetz must have a hotline to the editor of the Tele.

The Libs agreed to Palmer’s "wrecking ball" demands, and only realized their mistake later.

Thank heavens the grown-ups are back in charge.

Its not a matter of wrecking balls or grown ups.
Palmer will play them and the longer he does the more incompetent they look.
Like a festering absess, go in hard with the sharp steel.

politics is all about winning.

The people don't want to have to vote again, they don't want the carbon tax,
Attack now, call palmers bluff and he may lose some votes.

Wait 2 years and its Abbott who looks totally weak.

The time to strike is NOW, whilst the public are ready to take it out on palmer for creating this mess.

there are an awful lot of vindictive people out there who are enjoying this mess...thats the problem.. they dont see this person as a wrecking ball for the country only abbott....and if he goes for another election it wont include the senate..

where he will still control.. what a mess those who elected him have on their hands...

has anyone noticed how piggy stalks off when hes said his few words....]heading for the feeding trough no doubt] never stays around for any tough questions..

anyway I am not surprised by this oaf...not to be trusted at all I have said that all along...he is a nasty piece of goods..

He's not got the right temperament for politics.
A shrewd opponent would make mincemeat of him.
Tony's simply a bit of a retard when it comes to this sort of machievellian stuff.
John Howard, Peter Costello....they would have played clive, not let clive play them.
Goes to "fitness to rule"
If you let an oaf like clive and a motoring enthusiast (lol) and people like SHY and Milne get the better of you , it speaks volumes that you aren't fit to rule.

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Re: The cost of Palmers' demands
Reply #17 - Jul 11^th, 2014 at 9:58am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 11^th, 2014 at 9:04am:

In the lead-up to the September 2013 election, three parties promised to repeal the carbon tax: the Coalition, Labor and PUP. Two of the three are now reneging on that promise. Two of the three cannot be trusted. Two of the three deserve to be punished by voters at the next election. The Coalition has a massive mandate to repeal the carbon tax - that is a fact that is simply beyond debate. Unless Labor wants to remain in Opposition indefinitely and PUP wants to be a one-term wonder, they need to get behind the government on this repeal bill.

The ALP said they would replace it with a full ETS, since the Abbott government isn't doing that they have no need to back the legislation. PUP as far a I am aware is backing the repeal, just not allowing the government to package whatever they wish with it.

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Re: The cost of Palmers' demands
Reply #18 - Jul 11^th, 2014 at 10:01am

aquascoot wrote on Jul 11^th, 2014 at 9:38am:

Karnal wrote on Jul 11^th, 2014 at 9:30am:

Eric Abetz must have a hotline to the editor of the Tele.

The Libs agreed to Palmer’s "wrecking ball" demands, and only realized their mistake later.

Thank heavens the grown-ups are back in charge.

Its not a matter of wrecking balls or grown ups.
Palmer will play them and the longer he does the more incompetent they look.
Like a festering absess, go in hard with the sharp steel.

politics is all about winning.

Er, government is all about governing, dear. Stability and predictability in government was another of those Abbott promises that are now by the wayside - Mr Abbott even promised not to do any deals with minor parties.

But tell me this - what would have been the point of getting rid of the carbon tax if the savings were not passed onto consumers? If yesterday's bill had gone through, the last 4 years of carbon tax moans would have been for nought. The Libs would have removed the tax.

But consumers would be paying exactly the same for CO2 products.

Politics might be about winning, but it's about winning things for Australian voters.

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Re: The cost of Palmers' demands
Reply #19 - Jul 11^th, 2014 at 10:02am

The cost of Palmers' demands are not budgeted as they not be budgetary items. Clive's Party with Senators Corporate bound under law to obey Clive until 1st December 2016.

Either the Liberal-National Government concedes to Clive's private demands of self protection and pass legislation so, or he will destroy the electoral value of both Liberal and National Parties.

To ensure such occur Palmer Senators signed contract legally binding them to obey Clive (see constitution) till the 1st December 2016 or appear in Court on breech of contract.

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Verge Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6329 Gender:	Re: The cost of Palmers' demands Reply #20 - Jul 11^th, 2014 at 10:03am Palmer isnt reneging to repeal it, he is ensuring consumers are protected when it is by putting legislative penalties in place for companies who dont do the right thing. Abbott should have already had such clauses in place if he was any sort of man.
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Re: The cost of Palmers' demands
Reply #21 - Jul 11^th, 2014 at 10:06am

cods wrote on Jul 11^th, 2014 at 9:52am:

Kytro wrote on Jul 11^th, 2014 at 9:45am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 11^th, 2014 at 8:56am:

No one can deny that Abbott has a mandate to scrap the carbon tax, just like Gillard never had a mandate to introduce it.

I deny it. Mandates are nonsense.

it depends how loud they beat the drum BEFORE the election..and lets face it Abbott said he would repeal from day one.. all the way through...no ifs or buts... everyone knew he meant it and everyone knew he would be held to account....after the gillard LIE...

so yes I would say he had a mandate..

and its out peculiar way for voting that has created this mess....and we now have a group of wannabees in POWER....

that we truly didnt really elect...

the system did..

Makes no difference. Either you have the power or you do not. Other elected parties have as much of a "mandate" to pursue their polices as anyone else.

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Re: The cost of Palmers' demands
Reply #22 - Jul 11^th, 2014 at 10:14am

Karnal wrote on Jul 11^th, 2014 at 10:01am:

aquascoot wrote on Jul 11^th, 2014 at 9:38am:

Karnal wrote on Jul 11^th, 2014 at 9:30am:

Eric Abetz must have a hotline to the editor of the Tele.

The Libs agreed to Palmer’s "wrecking ball" demands, and only realized their mistake later.

Thank heavens the grown-ups are back in charge.

Its not a matter of wrecking balls or grown ups.
Palmer will play them and the longer he does the more incompetent they look.
Like a festering absess, go in hard with the sharp steel.

politics is all about winning.

Er, government is all about governing, dear. Stability and predictability in government was another of those Abbott promises that are now by the wayside - Mr Abbott even promised not to do any deals with minor parties.

But tell me this - what would have been the point of getting rid of the carbon tax if the savings were not passed onto consumers? If yesterday's bill had gone through, the last 4 years of carbon tax moans would have been for nought. The Libs would have removed the tax.

But consumers would be paying exactly the same for CO2 products.

Politics might be about winning, but it's about winning things for Australian voters.

How can you tell how much prices should drop. some businesses would have absorbed the costs, some wouldn't, it would require an army of public servants to work out who should reduce what and by how much.
Its why governments should stick to their core business

Border security
Employing a few cleaners at the war memorial
And funding a competitive private sector to run health, education, transport, science.

A good government, like a good child , should be seen but not heard.

Tony should go on a bike ride round OZ or go ride a quad bike through an aboriginal reserve and declare Canberra officially closed.

Just hand it all over to the private sector. It appears the public sector are incapable of doing anything but going round in circles.

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Re: The cost of Palmers' demands
Reply #24 - Jul 11^th, 2014 at 10:22am

aquascoot wrote on Jul 11^th, 2014 at 10:14am:

Karnal wrote on Jul 11^th, 2014 at 10:01am:

aquascoot wrote on Jul 11^th, 2014 at 9:38am:

Karnal wrote on Jul 11^th, 2014 at 9:30am:

Eric Abetz must have a hotline to the editor of the Tele.

The Libs agreed to Palmer’s "wrecking ball" demands, and only realized their mistake later.

Thank heavens the grown-ups are back in charge.

Its not a matter of wrecking balls or grown ups.
Palmer will play them and the longer he does the more incompetent they look.
Like a festering absess, go in hard with the sharp steel.

politics is all about winning.

Er, government is all about governing, dear. Stability and predictability in government was another of those Abbott promises that are now by the wayside - Mr Abbott even promised not to do any deals with minor parties.

But tell me this - what would have been the point of getting rid of the carbon tax if the savings were not passed onto consumers? If yesterday's bill had gone through, the last 4 years of carbon tax moans would have been for nought. The Libs would have removed the tax.

But consumers would be paying exactly the same for CO2 products.

Politics might be about winning, but it's about winning things for Australian voters.

How can you tell how much prices should drop. some businesses would have absorbed the costs, some wouldn't, it would require an army of public servants to work out who should reduce what and by how much.
Its why governments should stick to their core business

So why have you been complaining for the last 4 years about the cost of the carbon tax?

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Re: The cost of Palmers' demands
Reply #25 - Jul 11^th, 2014 at 10:49am

Karnal wrote on Jul 11^th, 2014 at 10:22am:

aquascoot wrote on Jul 11^th, 2014 at 10:14am:

Karnal wrote on Jul 11^th, 2014 at 10:01am:

aquascoot wrote on Jul 11^th, 2014 at 9:38am:

Karnal wrote on Jul 11^th, 2014 at 9:30am:

Eric Abetz must have a hotline to the editor of the Tele.

The Libs agreed to Palmer’s "wrecking ball" demands, and only realized their mistake later.

Thank heavens the grown-ups are back in charge.

Its not a matter of wrecking balls or grown ups.
Palmer will play them and the longer he does the more incompetent they look.
Like a festering absess, go in hard with the sharp steel.

politics is all about winning.

Er, government is all about governing, dear. Stability and predictability in government was another of those Abbott promises that are now by the wayside - Mr Abbott even promised not to do any deals with minor parties.

But tell me this - what would have been the point of getting rid of the carbon tax if the savings were not passed onto consumers? If yesterday's bill had gone through, the last 4 years of carbon tax moans would have been for nought. The Libs would have removed the tax.

But consumers would be paying exactly the same for CO2 products.

Politics might be about winning, but it's about winning things for Australian voters.

How can you tell how much prices should drop. some businesses would have absorbed the costs, some wouldn't, it would require an army of public servants to work out who should reduce what and by how much.
Its why governments should stick to their core business

So why have you been complaining for the last 4 years about the cost of the carbon tax?

Blah, not me karmal, the cost doesn't worry me at all. its the complexity and uncertainty that affects business.
And threatening big penalties fi you don't drop prices ... What the hell does that even mean for how a business runs. Is the government going to set the price of Qantas fares? how insane

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Re: The cost of Palmers' demands
Reply #26 - Jul 11^th, 2014 at 10:58am

cods wrote on Jul 11^th, 2014 at 9:52am:

Kytro wrote on Jul 11^th, 2014 at 9:45am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 11^th, 2014 at 8:56am:

No one can deny that Abbott has a mandate to scrap the carbon tax, just like Gillard never had a mandate to introduce it.

I deny it. Mandates are nonsense.

it depends how loud they beat the drum BEFORE the election..and lets face it Abbott said he would repeal from day one.. all the way through...no ifs or buts... everyone knew he meant it and everyone knew he would be held to account....after the gillard LIE...

so yes I would say he had a mandate..

and its out peculiar way for voting that has created this mess....and we now have a group of wannabees in POWER....

that we truly didnt really elect...

the system did..

He also said from day 1
* No negotiation with minor parties
* If it wasn't repealed he'd call an election

Well Well Well, look at this thread, a big whinge because Clive wouldn't do as Tony wanted.

*so negotiating with minors
* no election called

See above
I look forward to you calling Abbott a liar.

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Re: The cost of Palmers' demands
Reply #27 - Jul 11^th, 2014 at 11:06am

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jul 11^th, 2014 at 10:58am:

cods wrote on Jul 11^th, 2014 at 9:52am:

Kytro wrote on Jul 11^th, 2014 at 9:45am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 11^th, 2014 at 8:56am:

No one can deny that Abbott has a mandate to scrap the carbon tax, just like Gillard never had a mandate to introduce it.

I deny it. Mandates are nonsense.

it depends how loud they beat the drum BEFORE the election..and lets face it Abbott said he would repeal from day one.. all the way through...no ifs or buts... everyone knew he meant it and everyone knew he would be held to account....after the gillard LIE...

so yes I would say he had a mandate..

and its out peculiar way for voting that has created this mess....and we now have a group of wannabees in POWER....

that we truly didnt really elect...

the system did..

He also said from day 1
* No negotiation with minor parties
* If it wasn't repealed he'd call an election

Well Well Well, look at this thread, a big whinge because Clive wouldn't do as Tony wanted.

*so negotiating with minors
* no election called

See above
I look forward to you calling Abbott a liar.

Lyings not a concern. i'd call him a fool not to call a DD if palmer continues with this. Otherwise, each day he looks weaker and weaker.
And weakness is death in politics.
Ask Gillard.

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Cliff48 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics /> Posts: 2109 Canberra Gender:	Re: The cost of Palmers' demands Reply #28 - Jul 11^th, 2014 at 12:28pm aquascoot: Quote: Tony should go on a bike ride round OZ or go ride a quad bike through an aboriginal reserve and declare Canberra officially closed. He claimed thousands in expenses for a couple of hours 'charity' ride ..... what would a ride around Australia cost us in expenses?
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Re: The cost of Palmers' demands
Reply #29 - Jul 11^th, 2014 at 12:37pm

Cliff48 wrote on Jul 11^th, 2014 at 12:28pm:

aquascoot:
Quote:

Tony should go on a bike ride round OZ or go ride a quad bike through an aboriginal reserve and declare Canberra officially closed.

He claimed thousands in expenses for a couple of hours 'charity' ride ..... what would a ride around Australia cost us in expenses?

Actually, whilst Canberra remains part of Australia he is not in a position to say it is closed, given Australia is apparently "open for business..."

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