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Reply #15 - Jul 11^th, 2014 at 5:18pm

Tony Abbott embarrasses Australia by praising Japanese WWII military, ‘getting on the sake’ and posing for ‘crotch-shot’ photo opportunity

http://www.independent.co.uk/incoming/tony-abbott-embarrasses-australia-by-praising-japanese-wwii-military-getting-on-the-sake-and-posing-for-crotchshot-photo-opportunity-9596793.html

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Reply #16 - Jul 11^th, 2014 at 5:33pm

Abbott's changes to universities and health 'absurd', says Nobel Prize winning economist

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/tony-abbotts-changes-to-universities-and-health-a-crime-absurd-says-nobel-prize-winning-economist-joseph-stiglitz-20140702-3b8ue.html

The government's plan to deregulate universities is "a crime" and the move for co-payments for medical services is "absurd" in the view of visiting Nobel prize-winning economist Joseph Stiglitz.

Asked by Fairfax Media to nominate the two biggest mistakes the government could make that would take it down the American path of widening inequality and economic stagnation, Professor Stiglitz chose the budget changes to university fees and Medicare. Each would make Australia more like the US.

"Countries that imitate the American model are kidding themselves," he said. "It seems that some people here would like to emulate the American model. I don't fully understand the logic."

In the lead-up to the budget Education Minister Christopher Pyne said Australia had much to learn about universities from overseas, "not least … from our friends in the United States".

Professor Stiglitz said Australia had "a system that is really a model for the rest of the world", and deregulating fees would move the entire system in the wrong direction.

"Trying to pretend that universities are like private markets is absurd. The worst-functioning part of the US educational market at the tertiary level is the private for-profit system,'' he said. ''It is a disaster. It excels in one area, exploiting poor children.

"If you're rich your parents can pay the fees, but if you are poor you are going to worry about how much debt you're undertaking.

"It is a way of closing off opportunity and that's why the US doesn't have educational opportunity.

"While we in the US are trying to re-regulate universities, you are talking about deregulating them. It really is a crime."

Professor Stiglitz said Australia also had one of the best healthcare systems in the world.

"Your outcome per dollar is probably the best or one of the best. Your equality of access is one of the best.

"Why would anybody … try to make your system like the American system? The US is at the bottom.

"As for talk about a price signal, people don't make decisions about medical tests and procedures based on price. Maybe for cosmetic surgery they do, but for poor people, price signals price them out."

He said the typical inflation-adjusted income of a US household was lower than it was 25 years ago. The typical inflation-adjusted income of a male full-time worker was its lowest in 40 years.

"You have to say that the American market model has failed. It's a very strong statement for someone who believes in a market economy. But at the bottom it's even worse. The minimum wage is about where it was almost a half century ago."

Asked what Australia had done right that the US had not, he said: "unions".

“You have been able to maintain stronger trade unions than the United States. The absence of any protection for workers, any bargaining power, has had adverse effects in the United States.

“You have a minimum wage of around $15 an hour. We have a minimum wage of $8 an hour. That pulls down our entire wage structure.”

The elite, the top one per cent are not too concerned. When you have so much inequality those at the top say: I don't need public transportation, I have a helicopter, I don't need public schools, I don't need all these other public services and so the result of that is - you look at America today we have some of the best universities, but our average education performance is mediocre.”

Professor Stiglitz nominated politics as the reason for enormous advances in wealth and income at the top of the US distribution, and falling living standards in the middle and below.

“I agree with Thomas Piketty who in his new study says inequality began growing at the start of the 1980s. I think President Reagan's election was a marking point. That’s when the rhetoric about small government took over.”

With weaker regulations, particularly in the financial sector, it became easier for firms to lobby governments for favours than to obey rules. The result was the global financial crisis.

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Re: Why Don't You Understand TONY?
Reply #17 - Jul 11^th, 2014 at 5:43pm

vikaryan wrote on Jul 11^th, 2014 at 5:33pm:

Abbott's changes to universities and health 'absurd', says Nobel Prize winning economist

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/tony-abbotts-changes-to-universities-and-health-a-crime-absurd-says-nobel-prize-winning-economist-joseph-stiglitz-20140702-3b8ue.html

The government's plan to deregulate universities is "a crime" and the move for co-payments for medical services is "absurd" in the view of visiting Nobel prize-winning economist Joseph Stiglitz.

"While we in the US are trying to re-regulate universities, you are talking about deregulating them. It really is a crime."

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Reply #18 - Jul 11^th, 2014 at 7:11pm

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jul 11^th, 2014 at 3:39pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Jul 11^th, 2014 at 3:13pm:

When Abbott fought an election on a platform of trust and integrity people expected he would keep the promises he made.....Now we see the rusted on right wing hacks making excuses for Abbott's lies claiming the truth no longer matters.....Who in their right mind would believe anything Abbott ever says again to win an election.....Abbott has already lost what little respect most thinking Australian's ever had for him.....The bloke has proven to be the failure I expected he would be in spectacular fashion!!!

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Well - were they core truths or non-core truths? I mean - fair crack of the whip...

But how do we know when Abbott is telling the truth or when he is full of crap.....Lets not forget he wrote his commitments down on a big billboard to emphasise his honesty.....Now we cannot even trust what he has written down in big bold letters.....Anything Abbott promises from now on will be treated with the contempt it deserves!!!

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Reply #19 - Jul 12^th, 2014 at 8:26am

Repeat your speech to the RSL, Mr Abbott

Upon what basis, and supported by what evidence, can Tony Abbott stand up in Parliament and deliver a speech that has been reported throughout our region - the region terrorised and brutalised by Japan between 1931 and 1945 - ''honouring'' the murderous villainy of a wartime enemy that to this day refuses to accept fault and apologise (The Age, 10/7)?

Contrary to Mr Abbott's assertions, Australians do not admire ''the skill and the sense of honour that they [the Japanese mini-sub crews that attacked Sydney Harbour in May 1942, killing 21 Australian sailors] brought to their task''.

Conservative prime ministers are often invited to address the RSL's national conference. I challenge the Prime Minister to inform the RSL at its conference in October that it is Australian foreign policy to admire the skill and sense of honour of the murderers of the Sandakan death march, the architects of the Thai-Burma Railway, the perpetrators of numerous other wartime atrocities. Mr Abbott should resign in shame.

Gerard Ahearne, North Fitzroy

Lest we forget the dead

Tony Abbott says about Japanese submariners that ''Australians admired the skill and the sense of honour they brought to their task, although we disagree with what they did''.

He is half right. In 1941 I did not feel the slightest admiration, but I certainly felt overwhelming disbelief and sadness that one of them had killed my cousin in the mini-submarine attack on Sydney Harbour.

Noel Belfrage, Heathmont

Why we must learn from history

Did Tony Abbott ever share the experience of so many Australians, listening to stories of beloved family members involved in the Japanese ''theatre'' of World War II?

Some of our women who were forced to become ''comfort women'' for Japanese troops are still alive. But Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe is unconvinced that the 200,000 comfort women from China, Korea, and other countries were coerced, and Japan has recently opposed a proposed statue in Sydney to honour these women.

Somehow our Prime Minister (aka our Minister for Women) does not ''get'' the problem: Japan has never really faced up to its wartime atrocities.

By contrast, it was refreshing to learn from young tour guides in Europe that all students in Germany are required to visit a concentration camp as part of their education, to see the Nazi horrors for themselves, in the hope such crimes will never be repeated.

Joan Reilly, Surrey Hills

What will the Prime Minister say next?

If Mr Abbott's reaction to meeting Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe is to praise the bravery of Japanese troops in World War II, let us hope he never meets German Chancellor Angela Merkel until he is safely out of office.

Pamiela Kaplan, Caulfield South

Undiplomatic, gauche comments

Oh dear. What have we done letting Tony Abbott and Julie Bishop loose on Indonesia and now China? Someone should buy them each a copy of The Art of War and the I Ching and throw in a few books about World War II in Asia.

Their gauche announcements in the last few days would even have the Japanese shaking their heads in disbelief and looking towards China for signs of retaliation.

John Coffey, Fitzroy North

Enough already

For a man whose discernment at one time included regarding Zimbabwean president Robert Mugabe as a good friend, I am surprised that former prime minister Malcolm Fraser continues to regale us with his ''bon mots'' on anything topical.

In just one issue of The Age (10/7), he criticises speeches by Japan's Prime Minister Shinzo Abe and US President Barack Obama, and then offers Obama his ''expert analysis'' of US military capability. Then he accuses the government of ''piracy on the high seas'' in a matter currently before the High Court. Is Fraser suffering from relevance deprivation syndrome? Or am I the only one who is sick of hearing his continual carping?

Barry Noonan, Balwyn North

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Reply #21 - Jul 12^th, 2014 at 9:18am

But, but. but..........Tony is a Rhodes Scholar, he knows better than you plebs.

Know your place, get back in your place, toe the line, bow to your superiors, bow to their superior knowledge.

Yeah right Angry

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The Mad Monk is the most stupid, destructive PM Australia could ever endure.

Dump the Mad Monk/Liar King LNP ......or the people will dump you. Wink

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Re: Why Don't You Understand TONY?
Reply #22 - Jul 12^th, 2014 at 9:40am

vikaryan wrote on Jul 11^th, 2014 at 5:33pm:

"Why would anybody … try to make your system like the American system? The US is at the bottom.

Rhetorical question? The answer is that the very elite of their society has done very well from these policies - the rich get richer the poor get poorer.

The American public has been 'sold a pup' very successfully by the American elite/establishment for more than 100 years - it is ingrain in their physic - the Yanks believe they have The Best Democracy in the World etc etc despite empirical evidence in the form of various international indices.

The Mad Monk is a psychopath without any ideology except his destiny and self-aggrandizement - he is attracted to power and he will do ANYTHING and will form any alliance to get power.

Unfortunately for us he fell in with the powerful and ultra selfish like Gina and Twiggy and morphed into an ultraconservative. And then used his cunning and connivance to gain control of the LNP.

P.S. the Mad Monk is mad (psychopathic) and will never resign. He needs to be pushed and buried. Over to you LNP - either you get rid of the Mad Monk or we get rid of you and him.

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red baron Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 10204 Blue Mountains Gender:	Re: ABBOTT SHOULD RESIGN IN SHAME Reply #23 - Jul 12^th, 2014 at 10:25am Tony Abbott has become as volatile as unstable nitro glycerine. No one knows what he is likely to do next. I think he has found Kevin Rudd's how to be Prime Minister under a couch in the lodge.
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Dnarever Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 59471 Here Gender:	Re: Why Don't You Understand TONY? Reply #24 - Jul 12^th, 2014 at 10:40am Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jul 11^th, 2014 at 1:57pm: I rarely understand Tony in between the umms and aahs etc.... At least you get the important bits, the rest is just fill.
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Postmodern Trendoid III Gold Member Offline Posts: 10266 Gender:	Re: ABBOTT SHOULD RESIGN IN SHAME Reply #25 - Jul 12^th, 2014 at 6:35pm Notice how Stiglitz offers no alternative solutions. He thinks money can just keep getting spent. It's not about emulating the USA anyway. It's about not becoming another Greece or Spain.
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Reply #26 - Jul 12^th, 2014 at 6:40pm

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jul 12^th, 2014 at 6:35pm:

Notice how Stiglitz offers no alternative solutions. He thinks money can just keep getting spent.
It's not about emulating the USA anyway. It's about not becoming another Greece or Spain.

I know. What would the former chief economist of the World Bank know about money?

Pathetic, leftards, just pathetic.

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Reply #27 - Jul 12^th, 2014 at 6:43pm

Karnal wrote on Jul 12^th, 2014 at 6:40pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jul 12^th, 2014 at 6:35pm:

Notice how Stiglitz offers no alternative solutions. He thinks money can just keep getting spent.
It's not about emulating the USA anyway. It's about not becoming another Greece or Spain.

I know. What would the former chief economist of the World Bank know about money?

Pathetic, leftards, just pathetic.

His credentials mean little. I've read enough garbage from Doctors and Professors over the years to know titles mean little.

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Reply #28 - Jul 12^th, 2014 at 6:46pm

The problem is Stiglitz has no great knowledge of Australia and the Leftards that inform his opinion are what? That's right... biased....

Even Judith Sloan had to patiently correct his assumptions and misconceptions, on the Economists Q&A the other week. Roll Eyes

And I usually don't agree with her stance on many things.

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Reply #29 - Jul 12^th, 2014 at 6:57pm

vikaryan wrote on Jul 12^th, 2014 at 8:26am:

Repeat your speech to the RSL, Mr Abbott

Upon what basis, and supported by what evidence, can Tony Abbott stand up in Parliament and deliver a speech that has been reported throughout our region - the region terrorised and brutalised by Japan between 1931 and 1945 - ''honouring'' the murderous villainy of a wartime enemy that to this day refuses to accept fault and apologise (The Age, 10/7)?

Contrary to Mr Abbott's assertions, Australians do not admire ''the skill and the sense of honour that they [the Japanese mini-sub crews that attacked Sydney Harbour in May 1942, killing 21 Australian sailors] brought to their task''.

Conservative prime ministers are often invited to address the RSL's national conference. I challenge the Prime Minister to inform the RSL at its conference in October that it is Australian foreign policy to admire the skill and sense of honour of the murderers of the Sandakan death march, the architects of the Thai-Burma Railway, the perpetrators of numerous other wartime atrocities. Mr Abbott should resign in shame.

Gerard Ahearne, North Fitzroy

Lest we forget the dead

Tony Abbott says about Japanese submariners that ''Australians admired the skill and the sense of honour they brought to their task, although we disagree with what they did''.

He is half right. In 1941 I did not feel the slightest admiration, but I certainly felt overwhelming disbelief and sadness that one of them had killed my cousin in the mini-submarine attack on Sydney Harbour.

Noel Belfrage, Heathmont

Why we must learn from history

Did Tony Abbott ever share the experience of so many Australians, listening to stories of beloved family members involved in the Japanese ''theatre'' of World War II?

Some of our women who were forced to become ''comfort women'' for Japanese troops are still alive. But Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe is unconvinced that the 200,000 comfort women from China, Korea, and other countries were coerced, and Japan has recently opposed a proposed statue in Sydney to honour these women.

Somehow our Prime Minister (aka our Minister for Women) does not ''get'' the problem: Japan has never really faced up to its wartime atrocities.

By contrast, it was refreshing to learn from young tour guides in Europe that all students in Germany are required to visit a concentration camp as part of their education, to see the Nazi horrors for themselves, in the hope such crimes will never be repeated.

Joan Reilly, Surrey Hills

What will the Prime Minister say next?

If Mr Abbott's reaction to meeting Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe is to praise the bravery of Japanese troops in World War II, let us hope he never meets German Chancellor Angela Merkel until he is safely out of office.

Pamiela Kaplan, Caulfield South

Undiplomatic, gauche comments

Oh dear. What have we done letting Tony Abbott and Julie Bishop loose on Indonesia and now China? Someone should buy them each a copy of The Art of War and the I Ching and throw in a few books about World War II in Asia.

Their gauche announcements in the last few days would even have the Japanese shaking their heads in disbelief and looking towards China for signs of retaliation.

John Coffey, Fitzroy North

Enough already

For a man whose discernment at one time included regarding Zimbabwean president Robert Mugabe as a good friend, I am surprised that former prime minister Malcolm Fraser continues to regale us with his ''bon mots'' on anything topical.

In just one issue of The Age (10/7), he criticises speeches by Japan's Prime Minister Shinzo Abe and US President Barack Obama, and then offers Obama his ''expert analysis'' of US military capability. Then he accuses the government of ''piracy on the high seas'' in a matter currently before the High Court. Is Fraser suffering from relevance deprivation syndrome? Or am I the only one who is sick of hearing his continual carping?

Barry Noonan, Balwyn North

Read more:

http://www.theage.com.au/comment/the-age-letters/repeat-your-speech-to-the-rsl-mr-abbott-20140710-3bq3j.html#ixzz37CXaYR4Z

You need to get a grip mate and do some anger management. If you're a greenie just ignore this post it won't help you.

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