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Reply #31 - Jul 12^th, 2014 at 9:55am

TheGreenLight wrote on Jul 11^th, 2014 at 4:22pm:

The man is a brain-dead idiot, who can't even articulate what the balance of power is. He got 0.5% of the vote, and yet here we are the taxpayers, paying him nearly $2000,000 for six years.

The last election with regard to the Senate was a pathetic joke, with imbeciles like Muir getting in while others who had vastly more votes missed out. If ever there was a case to show why voting in the Senate needs to be changed, the September 2013 election is it. Either have a first past the post system without preferences or make it optional preferences as is the case in NSW.

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Reply #32 - Jul 12^th, 2014 at 10:08am

TheGreenLight wrote on Jul 11^th, 2014 at 4:22pm:

The man is a brain-dead idiot, who can't even articulate what the balance of power is.

Is that the Mad Monk you are talking about. Cheesy

I think we are getting more value for money out of Muir rather than the Mad Monk.

But I might be wrong on both accounts. Let's put it to the vote Wink

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A DD anyone? Grin

- have ya got the balls Liar King/LNP? Grin

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Reply #34 - Jul 12^th, 2014 at 10:28am

red baron wrote on Jul 12^th, 2014 at 10:21am:

The 'brain dead nice person' has enough smarts to keep putting a wrecking ball through legislation.

Won't matter a freckled to all those drongo motorheads who voted him in.

The wrecking ball is this government in its desperation agreeing to absolutely everything.

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Reply #35 - Jul 12^th, 2014 at 10:28am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 12^th, 2014 at 9:55am:

TheGreenLight wrote on Jul 11^th, 2014 at 4:22pm:

The man is a brain-dead idiot, who can't even articulate what the balance of power is. He got 0.5% of the vote, and yet here we are the taxpayers, paying him nearly $2000,000 for six years.

The last election with regard to the Senate was a pathetic joke, with imbeciles like Muir getting in while others who had vastly more votes missed out. If ever there was a case to show why voting in the Senate needs to be changed, the September 2013 election is it. Either have a first past the post system without preferences or make it optional preferences as is the case in NSW.

DD time! DD time!

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Reply #36 - Jul 12^th, 2014 at 10:42am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 12^th, 2014 at 9:55am:

TheGreenLight wrote on Jul 11^th, 2014 at 4:22pm:

The man is a brain-dead idiot, who can't even articulate what the balance of power is. He got 0.5% of the vote, and yet here we are the taxpayers, paying him nearly $2000,000 for six years.

The last election with regard to the Senate was a pathetic joke, with imbeciles like Muir getting in while others who had vastly more votes missed out. If ever there was a case to show why voting in the Senate needs to be changed, the September 2013 election is it. Either have a first past the post system without preferences or make it optional preferences as is the case in NSW.

First past the post is terrible. It basically forces you to pick winners if you want a say on the election meaning you can't vote for your preferred choice. In effect it entrenches the 2-party system more heavily. The optional preferential voting is a little better, but still suffers from the same problem enhancing the 2-party system.

A better solution is allow above-the-line preferences. This both simplifies the process and removes the ability of micro parties to do preference deals, while still retaining the ability for smaller parties who are preferred to get elected.

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Reply #37 - Jul 12^th, 2014 at 10:46am

woof woof wrote on Jul 11^th, 2014 at 8:43pm:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jul 11^th, 2014 at 6:30pm:

Of course he deserves his seat in Parliament.
He put himself 'out there', walked the streets in his electorate and met people and was able to be familiar with the local issues, and obviously many people had faith in him.
Apart from that, he chucks roo poo real far which is an attribute that will come in handy I'm sure.

out of 12 million registered voters you know how many first preferences he got??

1500.

Not many at all is it.
However, don't blame the man, blame the system.

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Reply #38 - Jul 12^th, 2014 at 12:59pm

Aussie wrote on Jul 11^th, 2014 at 4:32pm:

TheGreenLight wrote on Jul 11^th, 2014 at 4:22pm:

The man is a brain-dead idiot, who can't even articulate what the balance of power is. He got 0.5% of the vote, and yet here we are the taxpayers, paying him nearly $2000,000 for six years.

So, what is your problem?

Stupidity and ignorance have never previously been bars to election as a politician. Is it that he won on such a small primary vote, but preferences in his favour carried him over the line? It can't really be that as many politicians have been elected in a similar fashion. It can't be the money, as they have always been paid. I think I know what is really pissing you off.

garbage. yes senators have been elected on preferences, but they came to the party with 4-8% of the primary vote while this clown got 0.% which is only one-third of the previous lowest vote (NDP)

IN related news, Mr X's running mate got 0.8% of a quota (11%) of the vote and was not elected.

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Reply #39 - Jul 12^th, 2014 at 12:59pm

Aussie wrote on Jul 11^th, 2014 at 5:25pm:

Bam wrote on Jul 11^th, 2014 at 5:22pm:

Verge wrote on Jul 11^th, 2014 at 5:01pm:

Under the current system and the current rules, he does deserve his seat.

Stop playing the man, start playing the ball.

Its not his fault he got elected, its the system.

Good news - group voting tickets are being abolished. No more backroom deals. And we will probably see half of the microparties disappear at the next election.

How will that get through the current Senate?

The ALP and Coalition would both support it. ergo, it passes.

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Reply #40 - Jul 12^th, 2014 at 1:01pm

Verge wrote on Jul 11^th, 2014 at 5:01pm:

Under the current system and the current rules, he does deserve his seat.

Stop playing the man, start playing the ball.

Its not his fault he got elected, its the system.

wrong. 'deserve' is not a constitutional term, it is a value judgment. so no, he does not deserve to be there by any measurement other than the electoral system.

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Reply #41 - Jul 12^th, 2014 at 1:01pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 11^th, 2014 at 5:06pm:

____ wrote on Jul 11^th, 2014 at 5:04pm:

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The man is a brain-dead idiot, who can't even articulate what

... sounds more like abbott.

He's actually more articulate than Abbott.

LOL ... what am I saying? Everyone is more articulate than Abbott.

given that no one has yet heard Muir give a full and complete grammatically correct sentence in public, you are wrong.

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Reply #42 - Jul 12^th, 2014 at 1:03pm

Aussie wrote on Jul 11^th, 2014 at 5:41pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 11^th, 2014 at 5:32pm:

Aussie wrote on Jul 11^th, 2014 at 5:25pm:

Bam wrote on Jul 11^th, 2014 at 5:22pm:

Verge wrote on Jul 11^th, 2014 at 5:01pm:

Under the current system and the current rules, he does deserve his seat.

Stop playing the man, start playing the ball.

Its not his fault he got elected, its the system.

Good news - group voting tickets are being abolished. No more backroom deals. And we will probably see half of the microparties disappear at the next election.

How will that get through the current Senate?

probably labor and libs will get together on it ...... we can't upset the status quo

Yeas......but PUP sees that coming, and it will not put its own head in a noose. Some time soon, people will realise that Palmer is politically astute, and he does have access to pretty sound advice, even if he has to pay for it.

politically astute??? he has the skills of a bully with deep pockets and no more. and the changes to senate voting will be done with coalition and labor support. PUPpet go be safely ignored.

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Reply #43 - Jul 12^th, 2014 at 1:18pm

... wrote on Jul 11^th, 2014 at 4:31pm:

TheGreenLight wrote on Jul 11^th, 2014 at 4:22pm:

The man is a brain-dead idiot, who can't even articulate what the balance of power is. He got 0.5% of the vote, and yet here we are the taxpayers, paying him nearly $2000,000 for six years.

Yes, he'll fit right in.

I was about to post the same thing.

If he is brain dead, then he will be great friends with the p.m

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Reply #44 - Jul 12^th, 2014 at 1:22pm

Fit of Absent Mindeness wrote on Jul 12^th, 2014 at 1:18pm:

... wrote on Jul 11^th, 2014 at 4:31pm:

TheGreenLight wrote on Jul 11^th, 2014 at 4:22pm:

The man is a brain-dead idiot, who can't even articulate what the balance of power is. He got 0.5% of the vote, and yet here we are the taxpayers, paying him nearly $2000,000 for six years.

Yes, he'll fit right in.

I was about to post the same thing.

If he is brain dead, then he will be great friends with the p.m

primary school retort.

Muir has year 10 schooling. Abbott has multiple degrees and Rhodes Scholar. It is pretty easy to see who is the stupid one.

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